Elect according to the foreknowledge of God

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Are you speaking of my words too him Complete?

'A man that flattereth his neighbour
spreadeth a net for his feet.'
(Pro 29:5)

Hello @Luminary,

Re: Reply#35

Yes, I am. Forgive me if I have caused you offence: but I have experienced the truth of this verse in discussion. It is not intentional, but the moment personal comment enters a discussion it becomes more difficult to be objective.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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The church of the first born IS the BODY OF CHRIST.

'But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of The Living God,
the Heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'
(Hebrews 12:22-24)

Hello God's Truth,

No, the Church of the first born is not the Body of Christ. A comparison of the book of Hebrews with that of the prison epistles, in which the truth concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ was revealed (Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon) will make that clear.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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You make a strange distinction where none exists. Can you please explain what you mean?

'But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of The Living God,
the Heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'
(Hebrews 12:22-24)

Hello @AnneOminous,

Forgive me for not referring to you directly, but to the OP's originator, I meant you no offence.

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not revealed in the epistles of Paul written prior to the letters written by him from prison at Rome. ( Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians , 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon). God does not use words without reason, and a comparison of the letter to the Hebrews, with the prison epistles, will reveal the differences. The letters written from Paul's imprisonment contain the truth revealed to Paul by the risen Lord (Acts 26:16) concerning the Church which is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23), following the failure of Israel, both in the land and among the dispersion, to repent and acknowledge their Messiah and King, at the end of the Acts period. This resulted in their departure into the darkness of unbelief and the destruction of the temple in AD70.

The general assembly and church of the firstborn are those who have the privilege of reigning with Christ, renowned for their faith, being Overcomers within their generation (see Hebrews 11).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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The church of the first born IS the BODY OF CHRIST.

Hello @God's Truth,

Perhaps you would give Scriptural evidence to prove that.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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This sounds like Dispensationalism. I wrote a thread in this forum called “Salvation is of the Jews” which covers this topic of “One Body”, which is made up of both Jews and Gentiles.

Hello @StewardoftheMystery,

The Church which is His (Christ's) Body, the fulness of Him that Filleth all in all (Ephesians 1:22-23), was Divinely revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ (Acts 26:16), and made known by him in the letters to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, written from Prison at the end of the Acts period, immediately prior to Paul's death.

In that company the Jew has no prior position, but both believing Jew and Gentile are equal and united, a joint body in Christ their head.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

Hello @StewardoftheMystery,

The Church which is His (Christ's) Body, the fulness of Him that Filleth all in all (Ephesians 1:22-23), was Divinely revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ (Acts 26:16), and made known by him in the letters to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, written from Prison at the end of the Acts period, immediately prior to Paul's death.

In that company the Jew has no prior position, but both believing Jew and Gentile are equal and united, a joint body in Christ their head.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hey, Complete was not all The Apostles “Jews”

Was Not All Those That Received The Holy Ghost during The Pentecost Celebration where Jews that Came from everywhere. That Had Been scattered across many nations.

If So , then Salvation was of The Jews. They are The 1st. To spread the Salvation message. By Taking it Back to their home nations.

Correct?

 

[AnneOminous]

'But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of The Living God,
the Heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'
(Hebrews 12:22-24)

Hello @AnneOminous,

Forgive me for not referring to you directly, but to the OP's originator, I meant you no offence.

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not revealed in the epistles of Paul written prior to the letters written by him from prison at Rome. ( Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians , 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon). God does not use words without reason, and a comparison of the letter to the Hebrews, with the prison epistles, will reveal the differences. The letters written from Paul's imprisonment contain the truth revealed to Paul by the risen Lord (Acts 26:16) concerning the Church which is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23), following the failure of Israel, both in the land and among the dispersion, to repent and acknowledge their Messiah and King, at the end of the Acts period. This resulted in their departure into the darkness of unbelief and the destruction of the temple in AD70.

The general assembly and church of the firstborn are those who have the privilege of reigning with Christ, renowned for their faith, being Overcomers within their generation (see Hebrews 11).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

That’s a stretch. I’ll leave you with it.

 

[PloughBoy]

5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, b 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11(both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Esau and Jacob are used as a symbol of the Jews and Gentiles.
Esau is the firstborn symbolizing the Jews, and Jacob is the second born symbolizing the Gentiles.

See Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

Paul is explaining how the plan for salvation was made BEFORE ANYTHING and ANYONE was born.
It means that the firstborn, according to the Jews who did the works of the law, is the first chosen, but God chose the second born for the salvation that saves.

The scriptures say that when Jesus came and made a new covenant based on faith, God cut off and hardened the Jews who didn't already have faith in Him, for some Jews had faith in Him and some did not, because the law was not based on faith. Those Jews were cut off and hardened so that they could not believe in Jesus at that time and be saved.
God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not already have faith when Jesus had his earthly ministry, and the Jews who already belonged to God by faith, they believed in Jesus, because they recognized what Jesus was saying as the words of God.

Jesus said when he is lifted up he would draw all to him, which means then all could come to him to be saved, the cut off Jews and the Gentiles.

Paul goes on to explain that some Jews might say why then does God blame us? And Paul explains not to question God, for God is wiser than us.

Paul also explains more and teaches how God bound all to disobedience so that He can have mercy on all.

See God hardening some of the Jews while Jesus had his earthly ministry is proof that Calvinism is false, for if God causes people supernaturally with the Holy Spirit to believe---then He wouldn't need to harden them.
Just like God hardening the Pharaoh, he was hardened to not believe...that disproves Calvin and Luther's teachings.

God hardened the Pharaoh as a punishment for what he did, and God hardened the Jews who did not have faith as punishment too, but not a lasting one, since they all could come to Jesus to get saved once Jesus was lifted up from the earth.

Actually Esau and Jacob represent the 2 seeds, and the enmity between the 2 natures. (Flesh/Spirit) Paul said that in verse 8

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ( promise of the Holy Spirit)

The first coming out red represents the sin nature in the first man Adam, Adam also means “earthy , red”

This is why we must be born again of the Spirit.

John 3:6-7

King James Version

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6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Hello @StewardoftheMystery,

The Church which is His (Christ's) Body, the fulness of Him that Filleth all in all (Ephesians 1:22-23), was Divinely revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ (Acts 26:16), and made known by him in the letters to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, written from Prison at the end of the Acts period, immediately prior to Paul's death.

In that company the Jew has no prior position, but both believing Jew and Gentile are equal and united, a joint body in Christ their head.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Sorry, I disagree with dispensationlism, it preaches division not unity. There is no mention of 2 seperate Churches or 2 seperate bodies of Christ, only One.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

 

[PloughBoy]

archaic “Biblical Terminology”

A “Biblical Mortif”


NASB 1977
things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[AnneOminous]

Actually Esau and Jacob represent the 2 seeds, and the enmity between the 2 natures. (Flesh/Spirit) Paul said that in verse 8

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ( promise of the Holy Spirit)

The first coming out red represents the sin nature in the first man Adam, Adam also means “earthy , red”

This is why we must be born again of the Spirit.

John 3:6-7​

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King James Version​

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6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

ummm.... kind of.

Like if you were wanting to go to Kansas City, Missouri and you ended up in Kansas City, Kansas you indeed arrived in Kansas City! Kind of.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

ummm.... kind of.

Like if you were wanting to go to Kansas City, Missouri and you ended up in Kansas City, Kansas you indeed arrived in Kansas City! Kind of.

Learn the mystery of the color “red” and why the firstborn Esau and the first man Adam mean “earthy, red”. And why the Dragon is red and the beast is scarlet colored.

Those who have ears to hear, let them “hear” what the Spirit is saying.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Obadiah 6

King James Version

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6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

 

[AnneOminous]

Learn the mystery of the color “red” and why the firstborn Esau and the first man Adam mean “earthy, red”. And why the Dragon is red and the beast is scarlet colored.

Those who have ears to hear, let them “hear” what the Spirit is saying.

You’re hilarious. I do enjoy your posts however and appreciate the topics you introduce.

 

[AnneOminous]

The Great Master had a golden saxophone. He could make his saxophone sing a melody with the most beautiful, rich tones that would captivate every audience and people would gather in every town and travel from far and wide to hear him play.

One day he played an absolutely mesmerizing concert after which he simply set the golden saxophone down in the shade of a tree and he disappeared from their sight.

A monkey quickly climbed down and seized the saxophone, running off with it and he then declared himself to be the Steward of the Saxophone! He tried to imitate by blowing air into the thing and he found he could make sounds come out.

But never again while the Master was away did anyone ever hear the kind of music that once was played.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Matthew 11:16-17

King James Version

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16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

You’re hilarious. I do enjoy your posts however and appreciate the topics you introduce.

I was being serious, search it out.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Edom is Esau= land of the red man (spiritually speaking)

Isaiah 63:1-6​

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63 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

If you are red then you are dead, but if you are white then you are alright.
(Spiritually speaking)