End of Times

[Christ4Ever]

all the prophets spoke about the crucifixion of the Messiah

Many did but not all.


With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[KingJ]

Its like being in "Groundhog Day", going through the same routine day after day, Look at Matthew 28 in the context of what Christ said in Matthew 27, then look on Matthew 22 in the context of what Christ said in Matthew 21, in each case Christ emphasised that you dont have to commit the action to be guilty of the sin, thought or word are just as bad, a lustful, hate filled racist who never actually commits the act of adultery or acts on their racist hatred will still be condemned as much as the perpetrator of such acts, please try to understand this because it is quite important....... as to your questions, we are ALL guilty of sin, in thought, and word and deed, if we do not recognise and repent of our sin and try to change our ways, then i believe yes, the person thats thinking of sleeping with his fathers wife is as guilty as the one actually doing it, as for the candy store theft, thats a serious matter, i would definitely isolate someone, whatever their age, for such a heinous crime!!

Your brain is broken if you think thought and action are the same degree of evil.

And its not a case of reading Matt 22 with Matt 27. Jesus qualified His statement in Matt 5:28 FOUR verses on as he knew people like you and the devil would purposely abuse the point being made.

 

[KingJ]

Hmmm, seems to me your grasp of History is as shaky as your grasp of theology,.... Youre right in the fact that not all Nazis were SS, it was, at the start at least, a very elite organisation comprised of racially pure and ideologically correct members of the Nazi Party, ALL members of the SS were members of the Nazi Party, it was a basic requirement, as was racial purity and a fanatical allegiance to Hitler and all he stood for,........

Someone can be a Democrat voter and work in one of their departments. Does not mean they support child mutilation.

as for the "Final Solution" , it was implemented by leading Nazis, but like the T4 programme that preceded it, the killing of the Physically and Mentally disabled, once started, was driven as much by those implementing the killing as those ordering from the top, it was a joint effort, and it wasnt just implemented by the SS, the T4 programme was implemented by doctors and undertaken in Sanatoriums across Germany by the medical staff there, the mass shootings by the Einsatzgruppen were undertaken in the main by police and auxillary police units, the SS were predominant in the Death Camps, but even there personnel from other branches were present. When Germany invaded Russia in june 1941 the Einsatzgruppen went with them, their job was to secure the rear and eliminate anyone thought to be a threat to Nazi rule, which included male jews working for the Communists, this quickly expanded to shooting ALL male jews and then ALL jews regardless of age or sex. There was no order on high for this but requests from Einsatzgruppen and Army leaders in the field. The order for the first gassings at Auschwitz of Russian prisoners of war was not given by the leadership in Berlin but was an initiative by the assistant Commander. ..... as evidenced all over the world, evil feeds on itself becoming ever more powerful and destructive, which is why Christ condemned it in ALL its forms, in thought, in word and in deed.

I just cringe when I read too much of your posts. Your discernment is as sharp as a marble.

 

[Rad]

Your brain is broken if you think thought and action are the same degree of evil.

And its not a case of reading Matt 22 with Matt 27. Jesus qualified His statement in Matt 5:28 FOUR verses on as he knew people like you and the devil would purposely abuse the point being made.

I know i'm repeating myself here, but look at Matthew 5:28 in the context of Matthew 5:27 and look at Matthew 5:22 in the context of Matthew 5 21, in both cases Christ said " You have been told....., " a specific action would lead to condemnation, but then said in the following verse " But i say unto you......" and then outlined a similar thought or words that would lead to the same condemnation, the action, the thought and the word would ALL lead to being condemned......... i am not talking here about what i believe to be "degrees of Evil", but the teachings of Christ , who as my lord and Saviour, i try to follow.

 

[Rad]

Someone can be a Democrat voter and work in one of their departments. Does not mean they support child mutilation.

You are talking here of complicity, at what level does complicity begin, either through action or failing to act, i' dont know what you mean by "Child Mutilation", but ALL of us are complicit in some way in the Evils of this world, its inherent in our sinful nature, is the person that voted for a despot and tyrant responsible for their crimes, is someone working in an arms manufacturers responsible for their crimes, is a rich person responsible for the sufferings of the poor, in all cases i would say yes, but that is a judgement of their actions, Judgement as to their sin and punishment is for God alone, for he alone is righteous and knows all the facts.

I just cringe when I read too much of your posts. Your discernment is as sharp as a marble.

Well dont read them then, its your choice, but if you are reading this then i have a confession to make, you were right when you said that not all members of the SS were Nazi Party members, i was basing my reply on the original SS and the founding divisions of the Waffen SS, the fighting arm of the SS, as the war took its toll on German manpower many that were considered racially inferior were recruited into the Waffen SS, Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Ukranians and others from Nazi occupied countries, and because they were considered racially and ideologically inferior then Nazi party membership was excluded from them, so you were right in this case, my "discernment" may be " as sharp as a marble" in your opinion, but i do try to be honest, well most of the time anyway.

 

[KingJ]

I know i'm repeating myself here, but look at Matthew 5:28 in the context of Matthew 5:27 and look at Matthew 5:22 in the context of Matthew 5 21, in both cases Christ said " You have been told....., " a specific action would lead to condemnation, but then said in the following verse " But i say unto you......" and then outlined a similar thought or words that would lead to the same condemnation, the action, the thought and the word would ALL lead to being condemned......... i am not talking here about what i believe to be "degrees of Evil", but the teachings of Christ , who as my lord and Saviour, i try to follow.

No, you don't. This is the second time now that you purposely cherry pick a line from Jesus out of its context.

Answer YES or NO. Did Jesus say in Matt 5:32 that ACTUAL adultery / sexual immorality is required for divorce.

If you answer YES, you will show that you can both read and be honest. If you answer NO, you need reading lessons. If you do not answer and evade, well you would then just be repeating yourself for the third time.

People like you make my blood boil. You come across as intellectually dishonest and unteachable. I have to baby you in my posts like I do hard headed atheists.

 

[KingJ]

You are talking here of complicity, at what level does complicity begin, either through action or failing to act, i' dont know what you mean by "Child Mutilation", but ALL of us are complicit in some way in the Evils of this world, its inherent in our sinful nature, is the person that voted for a despot and tyrant responsible for their crimes, is someone working in an arms manufacturers responsible for their crimes, is a rich person responsible for the sufferings of the poor, in all cases i would say yes, but that is a judgement of their actions, Judgement as to their sin and punishment is for God alone, for he alone is righteous and knows all the facts.

Well dont read them then, its your choice, but if you are reading this then i have a confession to make, you were right when you said that not all members of the SS were Nazi Party members, i was basing my reply on the original SS and the founding divisions of the Waffen SS, the fighting arm of the SS, as the war took its toll on German manpower many that were considered racially inferior were recruited into the Waffen SS, Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Ukranians and others from Nazi occupied countries, and because they were considered racially and ideologically inferior then Nazi party membership was excluded from them, so you were right in this case, my "discernment" may be " as sharp as a marble" in your opinion, but i do try to be honest, well most of the time anyway.

Bro, your first reply to my original line was silly and you are now wanting to go down a rabbit trail you have made. The simple point I made is 100% true and sound. Having and agreeing with some racist type thoughts does not by default lead to you torturing and murdering people.

I repeat for the umpteenth time. We all have terrible and evil thoughts. That is called venial sin. Acting on them and committing sins like actual adultery, actual torture, actual murder are mortal sins that in the OT got you a graphic and violent death by stoning Leviticus 20 and in the NT removed from gatherings with harsh warnings of eternal punishment 1 Cor 5.

You need to understand Paul's rebuke to Christians that cannot judge matters better than the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

I also firmly believe your brain rot discernment is as a result of some sin you are in or approve of that you won't disclose.

Bring it into the light and repent. Don't dumb down your conscience with all this we all sin / sin is sin / thoughts are as bad as actions, nonsense.

Ananias and Sapphira DIED ON THE SPOT as their sin was grievous. A Christian, or someone who knows the bible walks on THIN ICE with God if they continue in mortal sin.

 

[Rad]

No, you don't. This is the second time now that you purposely cherry pick a line from Jesus out of its context.

Answer YES or NO. Did Jesus say in Matt 5:32 that ACTUAL adultery / sexual immorality is required for divorce.

If you answer YES, you will show that you can both read and be honest. If you answer NO, you need reading lessons. If you do not answer and evade, well you would then just be repeating yourself for the third time.

People like you make my blood boil. You come across as intellectually dishonest and unteachable. I have to baby you in my posts like I do hard headed atheists.

I have given you the context, if you disagree or dont understand then theres nothing more i can say, yes Jesus did say that in Matthew 5:32, but you seem unable to understand that we will ALL be held responsible for our Thoughts, words and deeds as illustrated in Matthew 5 21-22 and Matthew 5 27-28, hateful, selfish and lustful thoughts and words will be condemned as much as the actions themselves, i just hope you understand this and repent, cause if youre only concerned with your actions then youre gonna have a very rude awakening come judgement day. As to your last comment about me "making your blood boil", reckon you'd do well to read Matthew 5 22 again, if you want to discuss an issue thats fine, but coming across with anger and insults aint gonna get you anywhere..

 

[Rad]

Bro, your first reply to my original line was silly and you are now wanting to go down a rabbit trail you have made. The simple point I made is 100% true and sound. Having and agreeing with some racist type thoughts does not by default lead to you torturing and murdering people.

I repeat for the umpteenth time. We all have terrible and evil thoughts. That is called venial sin. Acting on them and committing sins like actual adultery, actual torture, actual murder are mortal sins that in the OT got you a graphic and violent death by stoning Leviticus 20 and in the NT removed from gatherings with harsh warnings of eternal punishment 1 Cor 5.

You need to understand Paul's rebuke to Christians that cannot judge matters better than the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

I also firmly believe your brain rot discernment is as a result of some sin you are in or approve of that you won't disclose.

Bring it into the light and repent. Don't dumb down your conscience with all this we all sin / sin is sin / thoughts are as bad as actions, nonsense.

Ananias and Sapphira DIED ON THE SPOT as their sin was grievous. A Christian, or someone who knows the bible walks on THIN ICE with God if they continue in mortal sin.

I think you need to step back a bit, stop with the insults and perhaps admit that sometimes you might be wrong. We're not gonna agree on this, just go round and round repeating the same, but before i call it a day, in your opinion, and it is just that, your opinion, did Christ say in Matthew 5 vs 22 that thoughts and words of anger are as bad as Killing, and did he also say that in Matthew 5:28 that whoever looks on a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart?........ as to my "Brain rot discernment being as a result of some sin i'm in or approve of that i wont disclose", you sure have a very "Christian" way of putting things, i commend you on that, your compassion and understanding is truly an example to us all, but in answer to your question, as i've said before i see myself as a wretched sinner so it may well be the case, i try to follow the teachings of Christ but am afraid that i dont have the certainty or moral conviction that you so obviously have

 

[Rad]

You really need to revisit this brother. It's not that I don't see the suffering in the world, but I know that the suffering you find is because of man themselves and the sin in their lives. What does Matthew 6:25-34 mean to you brother? Stop worrying about the temporal and seek the spiritual that is eternal.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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I said i'd get back to this, so what does Matthew 6 25-34 mean to me, to me it calls on the followers of Christ to cast off the cares of this World,. the deceit of Riches and the lusts of other things so that the seed of our faith can indeed become fruitful, to seek the Kingdom of God and to Hunger and thirst for his Righteousness, to act Justly, to love Mercy and to walk humbly, and if we are persecuted for Righteousness sake , be it by the authorities or reviled and persecuted by others then we are indeed blessed........ as to my thoughts on the video you posted about the protest inside the Church against ICE, first of all my apologies about not responding before, i just overlooked it, i found the manner of the protest too confrontational and Provoking, i can understand how enflamed the protesters were, it was a very emotional time, but at times like that its better for cooler heads to take control, by all means protest, but holding placards OUTSIDE the church would have been better , both from the view of keeping the protest peaceful and trying to get their message across, people rarely respond to shouts, insults and threats, i dont know how many of the protesters were Christians, but Christ calls on us to Love our enemies, bless those that curse us and do good to those that hate us, yeh thats hard, but whoever said that being a Christian would be easy, a life of sacrifice and self denial in the name of Love, hardly a recipe for comfort and success in this evil world

With the love of Christ Brother Nick

 

[Christ4Ever]

I said i'd get back to this, so what does Matthew 6 25-34 mean to me, to me it calls on the followers of Christ to cast off the cares of this World,. the deceit of Riches and the lusts of other things so that the seed of our faith can indeed become fruitful, to seek the Kingdom of God and to Hunger and thirst for his Righteousness, to act Justly, to love Mercy and to walk humbly, and if we are persecuted for Righteousness sake , be it by the authorities or reviled and persecuted by others then we are indeed blessed........ as to my thoughts on the video you posted about the protest inside the Church against ICE, first of all my apologies about not responding before, i just overlooked it, i found the manner of the protest too confrontational and Provoking, i can understand how enflamed the protesters were, it was a very emotional time, but at times like that its better for cooler heads to take control, by all means protest, but holding placards OUTSIDE the church would have been better , both from the view of keeping the protest peaceful and trying to get their message across, people rarely respond to shouts, insults and threats, i dont know how many of the protesters were Christians, but Christ calls on us to Love our enemies, bless those that curse us and do good to those that hate us, yeh thats hard, but whoever said that being a Christian would be easy, a life of sacrifice and self denial in the name of Love, hardly a recipe for comfort and success in this evil world

With the love of Christ Brother Nick

As you ended it, is the crux of Matthew 6:25-34. We do not seek comfort and success as this evil world sees it. These illegal immigrants are not moved by faith in what God can provide, but by what the USA, seen as a god or a breadbasket if you will, can provide them. Instead of relying on the One True God.

From the start, they’ve been breakers of the Law, hiding in the shadows because the light of truth exposes their wrongdoing. They try to bring about good through it, not realizing that only God can truly do that, and that even then, God still offers them mercy over judgment. While the world condemnation. Trying to reverse this order is wrong brother. No matter how unfair a law might seem, as believers we should live within its boundaries, so we’re seen as Children of the Most High rather than as opponents of order, which, in truth, is what the world around us often is—the opposite of what is good.

Don’t focus on changing the whole world, because that’s not something we can do. Start with one person, guiding them so they can know the One True God through Jesus Christ, His Son. That’s how we do what He’s called us to do. He has already overcome the world! There is victory in Jesus, and no matter how it may look, it’s found in Him alone.

With the Love of Christ Jesus, Brother Steve.
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[Twistie]

Bro, your first reply to my original line was silly and you are now wanting to go down a rabbit trail you have made. The simple point I made is 100% true and sound. Having and agreeing with some racist type thoughts does not by default lead to you torturing and murdering people.

I repeat for the umpteenth time. We all have terrible and evil thoughts. That is called venial sin. Acting on them and committing sins like actual adultery, actual torture, actual murder are mortal sins that in the OT got you a graphic and violent death by stoning Leviticus 20 and in the NT removed from gatherings with harsh warnings of eternal punishment 1 Cor 5.

You need to understand Paul's rebuke to Christians that cannot judge matters better than the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

I also firmly believe your brain rot discernment is as a result of some sin you are in or approve of that you won't disclose.

Bring it into the light and repent. Don't dumb down your conscience with all this we all sin / sin is sin / thoughts are as bad as actions, nonsense.

Ananias and Sapphira DIED ON THE SPOT as their sin was grievous. A Christian, or someone who knows the bible walks on THIN ICE with God if they continue in mortal sin.

For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water..

Rad is blind and deaf at this time in his walk l..now can he be turned sure if that is what is in the Will of the Lord n if it is in the Lords will The Lord will cure him on His time..

Ya gonna drive ya self bonkers trying to make him hear what he can't hear..I too have a tendency of doing this.. trying to get others to see..but we can not make them see only One can..as I say not my monkey not my circus so I just go pray for those who belong to Him to have the Spiritual strength to receive the Truth when He goes to them..

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Hope all well with ya..hope ya keeping warm too!

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[Rad]

Again, both sides!!! It appears that you believe that Jesus disregarded the rich! You are mistaken! He spoke to and about the rich, as does the rest of scripture.

First of all, my apologies for being 1 or 2 messages behind in answering, its partly lack of time but also i want to reflect on what people are saying, no, i dont believe that Jesus disregarded the rich, or that he doesnt love them, what he did do however is to condemn them on numerous times, the story of the Rich Ruler, or the parable of Lazarus and the rich man or in Lukes version of the "Sermon on the Mount", he warned of the deceitfulness of riches and to not store them up on Earth, oh no, Jesus didnt disregard the rich, they were one of his principal targets of condemnation.

However, it does not say it's your job to force others to comply if they don't want to help! Move on brother Steve. For forcing anyone won't get it done! Look at the Socialist/Communists countries, or the Dictatorships out there; are they not pushing their problems, that they are unable to solve to others? Look at Matthew 26:11. Your focus needs to be Jesus!!!

I cant force anyone to comply with my way of thinking, alls i can do, like we all do , is offer my view of Christs teaching but always with the humility that i may be wrong, and listen to others point of view and always be willing to change my mind if i agree with them. Our faith should not be cast in stone but always open to the voice of God speaking through others. And we will indeed "always have the poor with us", because of the hardness of mens hearts, their greed and selfishness and their indifference to the suffering of others. And my focus is on Jesus, his words and his teachings to melt the hardness of my own heart and let the Love, Compassion and Justice of Christ flow through it.

For those that won't or do for that matter, there will be a day of accounting coming.

There will be a day of Accounting for ALL of us, and as Christ said in Matthew 7 22-23, Many will say "Lord Lord,.... but i will say i know you not", if we do not build our lives upon the rock of Christs teaching and do as he commands then our lives will indeed be washed away by the flood to come

You say we should not accept Evil, which I agree with, but you don't fight Evil with Evil Brother!

I dont believe that i have ever advocated fighting Evil with Evil, and if i have then that was not my intention. The Dark cannot drive out the Dark, only Light can do that, we should offer no man Evil for Evil , but try to be a beacon of Light in the darkness where our good works will be seen by men and our Father glorified.

Here is where the issue comes in between us. You actually do believe that the lord would have us break the laws of the country that we live in. I do not. No matter how difficult it maybe, or appears to be to follow, you do so, and by doing so you are being faithful to Him. In this country you have a vote, and elect officials that in prayerful consideration will be Godly men & women who win those elections and adhere to God's Word. If it doesn't work out that way, you don't subvert the legal authority that God has put in place. Because you are wrong even when you think that you are not. You believe you can stop hunger, suffering from occurring through violence? You say it's not violence, but peaceful protests. If that were true, no body would be dying!!! If you resist peacefully, not obstructing what Law Enforcement is given to do, there would be no problems, and their consciousness would be convicted because of it. Instead, the opposite behavior that is happening, is hardening their hearts!

When has there ever been a Godly Government, as Christ said " Who calls me good, no one is good except my Father in heaven", ALL governments and man made institutions are corrupt and Evil for that is the nature of humanity, if you recognise that then you can see the truth in how the Devil was able to offer Christ ALL the Kingdoms of this world because as he said, "They are mine to do with as i will", ...... our commitment to Love and compassion should be an ever present part of our Christian Lives, and where we see Injustice and Evil we should fight against it using the weapons of Love and Compassion, and if that means being persecuted and reviled by others then thats the price we pay for our hunger and Thirst for Righteousness, " Blessed are those that are persecuted for Righteousness sake , for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven", or do you believe that Christ would have us follow unjust and Evil laws just because they have been passed by a corrupt and Evil government. I've asked this question before but tbh cant recall your answer, In Nazi Germany it was a "Crime" to hide a Jew or not tell the Authorities where they were hiding, so when Anne Frank was arrested in 1943 and sent to Auschwitz, the ones that concealed her were also deported to a concentration camp but the person that told the authorities where she was hiding was rewarded, in that situation what would you have done, obeyed the law, or broke it?.

The real difference is that you have nothing against force in trying to convince others that you are right. I do not. I present my case, and God willing they will see the truth of it, and their hearts softened to what is asked of them. I do not use volatile words to make my points. Calling duly assigned officers/agents of the government, who have been ordered to perform their duties, is not going to convince anyone to change, except maybe the ignorant, who believe that violence is an option. You use those words all the time brother. Thinking that somehow here with a Godly audience you would convince them of your righteousness by doing so. No, they see through those trigger words, that the world and MSM uses to lead sadly the less understanding of God's Word in its entirety to doing what is wrong.

I'm not trying to convince anyone here of my words, just how i interpret the teachings of Christ and his call of Justice, Love and Compassion. And i have everything against the use of force to protest against evil, unless of course you regard speaking out as "force". And you seem to put put great faith in the "duly assigned officers of the Government", to me they are just men, and their motives and actions are as reprehensible as the rest of us, just because someone has a badge or a uniform doesnt give them any lesser or greater immunity from sin, I would be interested to know just what ive said to seemingly convince you that i'm in favour of violence, turn the other cheek, love your enemies, bless those that curse you and do good to them that hate you are the words of our lord and Saviour and while i dont always succeed, i do at least try to follow them, however hard that may be.

Yeah, you'd take the better life, over helping to change it for others by staying where you are and making it happen there. Now speak to me of righteousness, sacrifice, and doing God's will even if the costs is all you have.

I was being honest, and i think if you were to spend any length of time in some of these countries with your family and someone offered you the chance to escape the poverty, violence and hopelessness then you might view things differently. Its easy to take the moral high ground when living in relative wealth and security, and isnt that how the US was founded, by a group of people leaving persecution and seeking a better life, or do you condemn them as well for not staying where they were and trying to change their own country.

Asked before if in a different way, and it was answered. You think God loves one more than the other?

As ive said, i think God loves us ALL, the rich, the poor, the outcast, the marginalised, the stranger, the hungry, where differences arise is how Gods judgement is going to fall, "Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of heaven, but woe to you that are rich for you have received your consolation". ......... i've got to finish here i'm afraid, but will answer the rest of your post , as always i appreciate your thoughts and the questioning of my beliefs, for it is only in questioning that we learn.

with the love of Christ Brother Nick

Steve

Welcome to Socialism/Communism! Tell me that it's worked so well everywhere else it has been tried, especially for the believing Christians! They persecute us more than anyone else does! Sorry no thank-you. It's the old adage about "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime" You take care of the problem for one day brother, but ultimately, it's their ruin!


Did you even read 2 Thessalonians 3:10 that was making the point to what I was saying? I guess not. Maybe, it's not in your bible.
It is your role to discern rightly the Word of God in its entirety and not piecemeal it.



I sure hope you do Brother Steve.
We want so much to never see suffering or deprivation, for after all we have hearts that have been turned from stone to flesh as believers in Christ. So, don't think those who disagree with your stances do not understand or believe in the Word of God.

Take a look a Job, and see what he went through, and think would it have ended the same, if his focus had not been on God, but rather his circumstances? How would you have responded to him, as he was going through these trials?

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Steve.
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Nick
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