Getting Into The Kingdom of God

[Eccl12v13]

Here is a very simple question, to which some may, or may not reply. Most I know will not even agree, but this is the reason for a forum. But if you do respond, please provide scriptures that helped you come to your conclusion.

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

Hopefully you will answer honestly, although it may go totally against what you feel or have been taught.

Because to be honest......I can find NOWHERE in the scriptures where it says, "If you KEEP God's laws to the best of your abilities, it will lessen your chances or you will NOT get into His kingdom if you try!

So many people say, ‘It is impossible to keep ALL of God’s Laws Perfectly!” And they are right! It IS impossible! But God, NEVER tells us we MUST keep them perfectly, nor does He tells us we should not TRY to keep them! As a matter of fact, from Gen. to Rev. the one thing God tells us to do over and over again is to KEEP His Commandments.

Now let's just be real for a moment, the scriptures says the following:

1 Peter 4
[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Now I don't know about you, but I do know for a fact the following people were considered truly righteous in God's eye:

Heb.11
[4] By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain...
[5] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death...
[7] By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed;
[20] By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
[32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
[36] And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
[37] They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
[39] And these all, having obtained a good report through faith

ALL of the above saints died with a good report. All of these saints are righteous according to God. Now do you think they did their best to keep God’s commandments? Of course. Do you think they kept them perfectly? Of course not. And yet the inspired word of God tell us ALL died with a good report. Can you think of a more righteous group than this?

Now if these "SCARCELY be saved", where does that leave you and me?

“And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (And for the record, a sinner is one that BREAKS the laws, commandments and statues of God!)

Please understand, I’m not asking about being justified by the law, or that it’s impossible to keep ALL of God’s laws, or if you break one you break them all, or having faith, or anything about God’s grace and the blood shed for our PAST sins.

It’s just a simple question

So again I ask:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God, even if they do not keep them perfectly, to the best of their ability, will it DECREASE their chances of getting into His kingdom?

“Will keeping God’s laws cause a person NOT to enter into His kingdom?”

Because if keeping God’s laws will NOT decrease my chances, that means it can only HELP!!!!

A very wise man once said;

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Again, God’s word says, “And if the righteous scarcely be saved….”, now shouldn’t we do ALL we can to better our chances! That’s right…..I said DO! Why?

Because faith alone just does not cut it.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REPLY……….AT LEAST THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!


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[RJ]

Here is a very simple question, to which some may, or may not reply. Most I know will not even agree, but this is the reason for a forum. But if you do respond, please provide scriptures that helped you come to your conclusion.

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

Hopefully you will answer honestly, although it may go totally against what you feel or have been taught.

Because to be honest......I can find NOWHERE in the scriptures where it says, "If you KEEP God's laws to the best of your abilities, it will lessen your chances or you will NOT get into His kingdom if you try!

So many people say, ‘It is impossible to keep ALL of God’s Laws Perfectly!” And they are right! It IS impossible! But God, NEVER tells us we MUST keep them perfectly, nor does He tells us we should not TRY to keep them! As a matter of fact, from Gen. to Rev. the one thing God tells us to do over and over again is to KEEP His Commandments.

Now let's just be real for a moment, the scriptures says the following:

1 Peter 4
[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Now I don't know about you, but I do know for a fact the following people were considered truly righteous in God's eye:

Heb.11
[4] By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain...
[5] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death...
[7] By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed;
[20] By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
[32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
[36] And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
[37] They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
[39] And these all, having obtained a good report through faith

ALL of the above saints died with a good report. All of these saints are righteous according to God. Now do you think they did their best to keep God’s commandments? Of course. Do you think they kept them perfectly? Of course not. And yet the inspired word of God tell us ALL died with a good report. Can you think of a more righteous group than this?

Now if these "SCARCELY be saved", where does that leave you and me?

“And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (And for the record, a sinner is one that BREAKS the laws, commandments and statues of God!)

Please understand, I’m not asking about being justified by the law, or that it’s impossible to keep ALL of God’s laws, or if you break one you break them all, or having faith, or anything about God’s grace and the blood shed for our PAST sins.

It’s just a simple question

So again I ask:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God, even if they do not keep them perfectly, to the best of their ability, will it DECREASE their chances of getting into His kingdom?

“Will keeping God’s laws cause a person NOT to enter into His kingdom?”

Because if keeping God’s laws will NOT decrease my chances, that means it can only HELP!!!!

A very wise man once said;

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Again, God’s word says, “And if the righteous scarcely be saved….”, now shouldn’t we do ALL we can to better our chances! That’s right…..I said DO! Why?

Because faith alone just does not cut it.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REPLY……….AT LEAST THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!


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1. Because faith alone just does not cut it.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

How convienient you tuck the statements above (in red) between actual verse. And you have the audacity to ask us to think about your position!


2. You have been given this verse many times but you have yet answerd it directly. Please one time and with no ands, if or buts....what does the below verse say?
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— Ephisians 2:8

3. Dont you know that we are justified by faith and not works, in latin it is called "Sola Fide"!

4. Don't you know that this faith is not from you but given from God as a gift!
<SUP>2</SUP> Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith Hebrews 12:2
Faith comes from Jesus...God..what does this verse say to you?

<SUP>3</SUP> For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. Romans 12:3

Again, God not only tells that he gives us our faith, he even says to not think more highly of yourself and think this faith has come from you... What does this verse say to you?

Eccl, please answer these above three verses.

I see these things in this order:
Grace > Forgiveness> Justification> Salvation> Works

 

[Eccl12v13]

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

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[Kit Carson]

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

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Hey:

You worry too much . Jesus please come into my heat and will you let me by one of your children? That is all you have to do. So very simple.

Jesus gave his life for us. We are washed in his blood and before God we are seen as he is with no sin.

This does not mean to deliberately do things you know are wrong, but none of us are perfect nor will we ever be perfect, not in this life, but we will be in the next. But each time we do mess up and become convicted of that and ask for forgiveness we learn to not do that again. Some things like patience and so on may take several lessons.

Just accept and stop worrying. Do your best and all is well.

No need to make it complicated. Because it is very simple.

Kit

 

[Eccl12v13]

Hey:

No need to make it complicated. Because it is very simple.

Kit

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."



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[RJ]

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

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No!

Now please answer my previous questions.

 

[Eccl12v13]

No!

Now please answer my previous questions.

This is MY thread! You do not have to reply. My question is to the forum and all that would like to answer may do so.

If you would like to bring up another topic you too are free to start another thread...but for now........

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?


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[RJ]

This is MY thread! You do not have to reply. My question is to the forum and all that would like to answer may do so.

If you would like to bring up another topic you too are free to start another thread...but for now........

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?


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As in my previous answer..........NO!

 

[jiggyfly]

This is MY thread! You do not have to reply. My question is to the forum and all that would like to answer may do so.

If you would like to bring up another topic you too are free to start another thread...but for now........

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?


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It definitely decreases their ability to trust fully in Christ.

 

[Eccl12v13]

It definitely decreases their ability to trust fully in Christ.

Ok.....now that we know what you believe how about answering the question...that is if you would like to. As I said...you do NOT have to reply if you do not like. I wonder what would be said if I answered a question NOT related to the topic. So here it is again....

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

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[jiggyfly]

Ok.....now that we know what you believe how about answering the question...that is if you would like to. As I said...you do NOT have to reply if you do not like. I wonder what would be said if I answered a question NOT related to the topic. So here it is again....

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

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I would say yes, that as long as a person is trying to enter the Kingdom of God on his/her own ability that it indicates their blindness to the truth of the gospel and the need for Christ's sacrifice and continued effort on there part would only increase that blindness.

 

[Eccl12v13]

I would say yes, that as long as a person is trying to enter the Kingdom of God on his/her own ability that it indicates their blindness to the truth of the gospel and the need for Christ's sacrifice and continued effort on there part would only increase that blindness.

Wow....Just want to make sure I understand you.....

You believe that keeping God's laws to the best of your ability will decrease your chances of getting into His kingdom. In other words, doing what God tells us to do TO enter His kingdom will not help our cause at all!

So do you also believe that Jesus lied to us when He told us to do the following....

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Can't believe you are saying something different than RJ!


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[Kit Carson]

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."



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Hey:

This is a carefully considered answer. If the Holy Spirit had not revealed this to me I would have rejected God.

It is fine to always wish to keep the moral laws of God. This is what we are supposed to do ,and one finds that one wishes to do so and the sins of the world make us cry. So on this part yes it makes us happy to follow the moral laws of God and we wish all would.

But the laws of the old testament are they the laws of God, or are they the laws of man?? You have to realize that many of them are the Jewish religion and tradition, put into a religion. That mans way and tradition and beliefs of that time, which were good for that time are not for our time. Watch how Jesus himself was always telling them how their laws were not correct. But he also said until all is done, till all is accomplished not one letter of the law is to be ignored. Now this is taken out of true meaning even today. What he was saying, till I die on the cross, the old laws stand, when it is done, you have grace. Even today people still think the old laws stand all over that one scripture that no one understands.

We have Jesus who gave his life for our sins. We live by grace . This does not mean all things are good, or we can just run rampant sinning, but when you accept God , your soul does not wish to do these things anyway.

So follow the moral laws, and listen to God when the Spirit convicts you that something is wrong. Other than that, the old laws are gone.

Trying to follow them puts you outside of grace. You are actually thumbing your nose at Jesus.

Kit

 

[Eccl12v13]

So follow the moral laws, and listen to God when the Spirit convicts you that something is wrong. Other than that, the old laws are gone.

Trying to follow them puts you outside of grace. You are actually thumbing your nose at Jesus.

Kit

Really? Other than animal sacrifice...just which old laws are gone?

Which laws, if kept, will DECREASE your chances of getting into God's kingdom?

Which laws, if kept, tells Jesus that I am, "...thumbing...", my nose at Him?

Did you read what Jesus tells us?

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Are you saying DOING what He tells us is "thumbing" our nose at Jesus?

Really?

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[Kit Carson]

Really? Other than animal sacrifice...just which old laws are gone?

Which laws, if kept, will DECREASE your chances of getting into God's kingdom?

Which laws, if kept, tells Jesus that I am, "...thumbing...", my nose at Him?

Did you read what Jesus tells us?

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Are you saying DOING what He tells us is "thumbing" our nose at Jesus?

Really?

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You are a hard case taint you. Said in fun and with respect.

Trying to follow the old laws , there is no need. And it is detrimental to your salvation.

Yea it depends on what laws we are talking about, the moral laws are to always be followed. That goes without question.

Animal sacrifice is no more, Jesus gave his life, the ultimate sacrifice.

Beware of old time Jewish religion and tradition. It is no longer a requirement. From never to wear mixed clothing to not gather food on the Sabbath, they are all gone. To stone someone to death, to cut off a hand, all are gone.

Just accept what Jesus says, and understand it, that is all that is required.

Kit

 

[Eccl12v13]

Trying to follow the old laws , there is no need. And it is detrimental to your salvation.

So which OT law is it that could be detrimental to our salvation?


Exod.20
[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
[12] Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[15] Thou shalt not steal.
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Yea it depends on what laws we are talking about, the moral laws are to always be followed.

God's moral laws have been with man from the beginning. They are the same as quoted above in Exod.20 AND the rest of the bible. And who NOW determines which laws are to be kept, and to be followed? Are we to have repect of persons?

Beware of old time Jewish religion and tradition.

Some Jewish laws are just that...man MADE and not from God.

To stone someone to death, to cut off a hand, all are gone.

But isn't Jesus returning to punish those that did NOT keep His laws?
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[RJ]

So which OT law is it that could be detrimental to our salvation?


Exod.20
[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
[12] Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[15] Thou shalt not steal.
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.







God's moral laws have been with man from the beginning. They are the same as quoted above in Exod.20 AND the rest of the bible. And who NOW determines which laws are to be kept, and to be followed? Are we to have repect of persons?







Some Jewish laws are just that...man MADE and not from God.







But isn't Jesus returning to punish those that did NOT keep His laws?
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Eccl12vs13,
You can not live under the old covenant, it was abolished for the New Covenant. You always want to quote the Old Testament...a lot of it does not apply today!

Romans 3:20

New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)

<SUP id=en-NIV1984-27997 class=versenum>20</SUP> Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Eccl12vs13,
You can not live under the old covenant, it was abolished for the New Covenant. You always want to quote the Old Testament...a lot of it does not apply today!

Show us. It was not abolished.

Romans 3:20

New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)

<SUP id=en-NIV1984-27997 class=versenum>20</SUP> Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

This adds nothing to what you are trying to say. It is a discussion of righteousness and where it is found: Messiah.

 

[RJ]

Show us. It was not abolished.


This adds nothing to what you are trying to say. It is a discussion of righteousness and where it is found: Messiah.

1. The New Covenant vs. The Old Covenant <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />
Jer 31:31-34). God makes it plainly evident through Jeremiah here that the Old Covenant will be completely replaced with the New Covenant "… not according to the covenant I made with their fathers … but this shall be the covenant I make … I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts … and they will be my people … for I will forgive their iniquity and will remember their sin no more."Jer 31:31-34
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; Hebrews 8: 13



2. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. Romans 3:20

What it does not apply? I am not sure what Bible are you reading? Read further:

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.Romans3:21

These verses declare that the law and the Old Covenant was completely replace by the New Covenant.

 

[gdemoss]

Here is a very simple question, to which some may, or may not reply. Most I know will not even agree, but this is the reason for a forum. But if you do respond, please provide scriptures that helped you come to your conclusion.

Many times questions are designed to get a specific response. Many of the questions people asked of Jesus were designed to cause him to give a reason that others might accuse him. Satans question to Eve was designed to make her question God. Correct me if I am wrong but your question seems designed to cause people to think they need to keep the Old Testament law. If they answer No then they should be doing so. If they answer yes then they are supposedly saying that keeping Gods laws is bad. The design of your question only allows for a No answer.

The question:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God to the best of their ability, even if they do not keep them perfectly, will it DECREASE their chance of entering God's kingdom?

Your Question is lacking details by design and cannot be answered simply yes or no.

New Question: If a person does all that they can to keep the statutes, commandments and laws of God (that he specifically has placed that person under) to the best of their ability (which will be perfectly if he has given them laws they can keep), will it decrease their chance of entering God's kingdom?

New Answer: No

Hopefully you will answer honestly, although it may go totally against what you feel or have been taught.

Hopefully you will come up with more honest questions.

Because to be honest......I can find NOWHERE in the scriptures where it says, "If you KEEP God's laws to the best of your abilities, it will lessen your chances or you will NOT get into His kingdom if you try!

Gods law in the old testament required you to become circumcised Gen 17:10. Will keeping this law lessen my chances of entering into the Kingdom? Gal 5:2

So many people say, ‘It is impossible to keep ALL of God’s Laws Perfectly!” And they are right! It IS impossible! But God, NEVER tells us we MUST keep them perfectly, nor does He tells us we should not TRY to keep them! As a matter of fact, from Gen. to Rev. the one thing God tells us to do over and over again is to KEEP His Commandments.

Where does it say that we cannot keep Gods laws perfectly? I understand that in many places it says that we have not done so but that isn't the question. Please don't use scripture like for all have sinned or there is not a righteous man upon the earth that sinneth not as these do not prove that a man cannot keep Gods law perfectly.

Jesus was a man. Jesus kept Gods law perfectly.

Now let's just be real for a moment, the scriptures says the following:

1 Peter 4
[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Now I don't know about you, but I do know for a fact the following people were considered truly righteous in God's eye:

Heb.11
[4] By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain...
[5] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death...
[7] By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed;
[20] By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
[32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
[36] And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
[37] They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
[39] And these all, having obtained a good report through faith

ALL of the above saints died with a good report. All of these saints are righteous according to God. Now do you think they did their best to keep God’s commandments? Of course. Do you think they kept them perfectly? Of course not. And yet the inspired word of God tell us ALL died with a good report. Can you think of a more righteous group than this?

"Do you think" these are dangerous words as they imply that you need to fill in the gaps that God has left. Pr 14:12

Question: Now do you think they did their best to keep God's commandments?
Answer: I don't know. God did not tell me.

Question: Do you think they kept them perfectly?
Answer: Lets consider Abraham. Gen 26:5 Lets consider David. 1 Ki 15:5
It would appear that some did and some did not.

Now if these "SCARCELY be saved", where does that leave you and me?

That depends. Are you in the category of the righteous or ungodly and sinners? My salvation isn't dependent upon what another man did or did not do in Hebrews chapter 11.

“And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (And for the record, a sinner is one that BREAKS the laws, commandments and statues of God!)

What motivated you to add a definition for the word sinner here and not one for the righteous?

If the definition of a sinner is one that breaks the laws of God then a righteous man is one that keeps them?

Can't be true as David did not keep Gods laws but yet he received a good report.

In that case righteous men must be sinners! So the answer to Peters question is the ungodly and the sinner will appear along side the righteous because the righteous are just sinners anyway.

Please understand, I’m not asking about being justified by the law, or that it’s impossible to keep ALL of God’s laws, or if you break one you break them all, or having faith, or anything about God’s grace and the blood shed for our PAST sins.

It’s just a simple question

So again I ask:

If a person does all that they can to keep the statues, commandments and laws of God, even if they do not keep them perfectly, to the best of their ability, will it DECREASE their chances of getting into His kingdom?

As I stated above.

“Will keeping God’s laws cause a person NOT to enter into His kingdom?”

Only if God said that he should not keep them. One should always obey God.

Because if keeping God’s laws will NOT decrease my chances, that means it can only HELP!!!!

This is true.

A very wise man once said;

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Wisdom doesn't make one compliant. He knew better but did not keep Gods laws. You ever wonder why Solomon was not mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11?

Again, God’s word says, “And if the righteous scarcely be saved….”, now shouldn’t we do ALL we can to better our chances! That’s right…..I said DO! Why?

Because faith alone just does not cut it.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

Amen

EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REPLY……….AT LEAST THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!

Please do as he says. Think about it.

Eccl:

Does keeping the laws etc of God make one righteous?

If not, then is there anything that can make a man righteous?

If so, then what?

The above questions are designed to obtains specific answers. The answers are No, yes and following Jesus.

What does it mean to follow Jesus?

Now there in lies the rub. One would say Jesus kept the 10 commandments so I must do the same to follow him. The truth is that Jesus followed the law of God that he was under and to correctly follow Jesus I must do the same. I must follow the law of God that I am under. Jesus was circumcised according to the law that the law might be kept. I was not circumcised according to the law that the law might be kept. In doing so, I was following Jesus. Following Jesus doesn't mean that you do the exact actions he did but rather live in his spirit of righteousness.

Eccl: Did you get circumcised to follow Jesus?