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God is not done with Israel

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When God made those promises to Abraham,he said they will be forever. Now to me,forever is never-ending....eternal. Now if God took back those promises,....they are not for forever, then how can we trust him when he says we will have (forever) eternal life?
God is by no mans through with Israel
 
When God made those promises to Abraham,he said they will be forever. Now to me,forever is never-ending....eternal. Now if God took back those promises,....they are not for forever, then how can we trust him when he says we will have (forever) eternal life?
God is by no mans through with Israel
What are you writing of ??
Judah and the Jews are not Israel.
Further the Jews (Judah) were divorced by God in 70AD.
What blessings for the restoration of Judah to their homeland is only because of the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Israel is now the Spirit-filled church that believes and worships the Messiah of Israel, Jesus.
Those born from above and our truly baptized in the Holy Spirit constitute Israel (Ephraim).

1Peter 1:3 Blessed the God and Father of our *Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great *mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and unfading, reserved in the heavens for you,
2:9 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s possession, so that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous *light:
10 who once were no people, but now are God’s people: who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If you study and follow the culture and politics of today's Jews in Judah they are un-Godly and still blaspheme the name of Jesus.
They also attack and persecute Arab Christians and the resident Orthodox churches.
They practice racism and religious apartheid with impunity and openly kill non-Jews without penalty.
Tel Aviv is one of the homosexual capitals of the world.

The Jews of today claim to be the "chosen people" of God and yet most of them do not believe in either God of the OT nor the Law of Moses.
Leviticus 19:33 “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
34 You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God."
 
Rom 11:25; For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Rom 11:26; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
Rom 11:27; "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28; From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
Rom 11:29; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Gen 12:2; And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;
Gen 12:3; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Rom 11:22; Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
Rom 11:23; And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Rom 11:24; For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
 
Romans 11:28 As to the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as to the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sake. [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob]
29 For the gifts and the calling of *God are not repented of.
30 Just as YE in the past were disobedient to *God, but now have obtained mercy by the disobedience of these, [the Jews]
31 thus have these also now been disobedient, that by the mercy shown to you they also may now obtain mercy.

The history of the Jews from 70AD afterwards is not good - cast off from the blessings of God and continuing in punishment under the rule of gentiles until 1917.
In December 1917 the seven times period - 2,520 years - of punishment for Judah expired and the Jews started migrating into Palestine and the conflict between
the children of Isaac and the children of Ishmael began.
 
Why did YHWH separate the northern kingdom of Israel from the southern kingdom of Judah?
Why take away and not restore the ten tribes?

Jeremiah 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
NOTICE - that the new covenant of the Spirit-filled person is with the house of Israel and not with Judah.

Ezekiel 37:16 “Son of man, take a stick and write on it, ‘For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him’; then take another stick and write on it,
‘For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.’
17 And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.
19 say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I am about to take the stick of Joseph (that is in the hand of Ephraim) and the tribes of Israel associated with him.
And I will join with it the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, that they may be one in my hand.

At the end of the age when Jesus returns he with gather in all of Israel as the 12 tribes - the Spirit-filled church and the Jews and we will again become one kingdom.
 
I know this has been talked about before here.

The 13 tribes mentioned in Numbers 1, are not the same 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation 7.

Num 1:21 their numbered men of the tribe of Reuben were 46,500.
Num 1:23 their numbered men of the tribe of Simeon were 59,300.
Num 1:25 their numbered men of the tribe of Gad were 45,650.
Num 1:27 their numbered men of the tribe of Judah were 74,600.
Num 1:29 their numbered men of the tribe of Issachar were 54,400.
Num 1:31 their numbered men of the tribe of Zebulun were 57,400.
Num 1:33 their numbered men of the tribe of Ephraim were 40,500.
Num 1:35 their numbered men of the tribe of Manasseh were 32,200.
Num 1:37 their numbered men of the tribe of Benjamin were 35,400.
Num 1:39 their numbered men of the tribe of Dan were 62,700.
Num 1:41 their numbered men of the tribe of Asher were 41,500.
Num 1:43 their numbered men of the tribe of Naphtali were 53,400.
Num 1:47 The Levites, however, were not numbered among them by their fathers' tribe.

Rev 7:4; And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Rev 7:5; from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
Rev 7:6; from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
Rev 7:7; from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
Rev 7:8; from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

Levi is added in Rev 7:7; .. and a new tribe not listed in Numbers is added, the tribe of Joseph in Rev 7:8; . So then who was removed and why?

Ephraim is in Num 1:33; but not in Rev 7. Also Dan is in Num 1:39; but not in Rev 7.

I have heard a number of different theories and no seems to know for sure, my best guess is the events in Jdgs chapters 17 to 21.
 
Ephraim is in Num 1:33; but not in Rev 7. Also Dan is in Num 1:39; but not in Rev 7.
Joseph includes Ephraim, and with the omission of Dan that makes 11 tribes
so the inclusion of the Levites brings it back to 12 tribes
> Judah, Reuben, Gad,
> Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh,
> Simeon, Levi, Issachar,
> Zebulun, Joseph [Ephraim], Benjamin

This number is symbolic of the fullness of the first resurrection when Jews and Spirit-filled Christians are raised up to meet our Lord and God Jesus in the air.
The number is not literal but representative of the number 12 in the plan of salvation through Israel - Ephraim and Judah.

Rev 7:3 saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we shall have sealed the bondmen of our God on their foreheads.
 
Joseph includes Ephraim, and with the omission of Dan that makes 11 tribes
so the inclusion of the Levites brings it back to 12 tribes
> Judah, Reuben, Gad,
> Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh,
> Simeon, Levi, Issachar,
> Zebulun, Joseph [Ephraim], Benjamin

This number is symbolic of the fullness of the first resurrection when Jews and Spirit-filled Christians are raised up to meet our Lord and God Jesus in the air.
The number is not literal but representative of the number 12 in the plan of salvation through Israel - Ephraim and Judah.

Rev 7:3 saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we shall have sealed the bondmen of our God on their foreheads.

I would agree signifies symbolic a aparble in view.. I would offer..

Twelve is a remnant of the whole. There are twenty seven listed listed in the new testament . sends them out two by two. There were many in the upper room that showed they had the approval to be sent out . Some say as any as 500 followers he could send out.

Acts 2: 2-3 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Twelve apostles were set aside as holy for another use other than that of many that venerate the apostles as if it was only in the new testament where God sent out his prophets to declare the gospel. That work of God mercy mixed with grace began with Abel a martyr . THe blood of his sufferings cries out just as any other true apostle.

Twelve is used to denote the authority of God as to whatsoever is in view. Tribes and or mixed with apostles (sent ones) together make up the one bride of Christ the church .

One bride called by the father in Acts. . . Christian previously called her Israel. Christian is a more befitting name to name the wife of all the nations literally meaning residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ.

Again (12) authority of God whatsoever is in view to include the tribes of the enemy of the gospel

Genesis 25:16 These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

Genesis 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:

Tribes. . = Gates of the city by which we can enter in fellowship. and apostles = those sent out of the gates with the gospel .

Every Word has a specific meaning. Even in the name tribes . LIke Dan that signifies the letter of the law "death" . . thou shall not or you come to an end of life..

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Genesis 49:16-17King James Version Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Falling backward or to be hung is to breaking one's neck to those who do break the law by obeying the voice of the serpent (father of lies) It is shown in a ceremonial law using the metaphor Ass in a parable . that must be redeemed by a lamb . . . or its neck must be broken again to bring meaning to the tribe of Dan .

In that way neither the tribe of Dan or the false apostle Judas will enter the eternal promised land, . . . . the bride of Christ, the church .

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Judas according to the description of Dan . . Hung himself fell backward off his high horse of deception (false prophecy) backward slain in the Spirit.


Revelation 21: 9-17 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Judas #1 Hit man for the unbelieving Jew he tried to return the blood money 30 silver dollars .

Mathew 27 :5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.. . . . (represented by the tribe of Dan death )

The doctrine of Judas and Dan. . . the left out ones. . .
 
Ephraim is in Num 1:33; but not in Rev 7. Also Dan is in Num 1:39; but not in Rev 7.
Why is the tribe of Dan not listed in Revelation 7 - till we shall have sealed the bondmen of our God on their foreheads.

Genesis 49:1 Then Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you what shall happen to you in days to come. [he last days or end of days]
2 “Assemble and listen, O sons of Jacob, listen to Israel your father.

Genesis 49:16 “Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.
17 Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse's heels so that his rider falls backward.

> This prophecy was fulfilled in the 1920s through the 1930s and the holocaust of the Second World War in Europe.
When many European nationals [not just the Germans/Austrians] judged the Jews as one of the tribes of Israel (Jews = Judah).
Here we have a deliberate attempt by satan to thwart the prophecies of God concerning the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.
 
Why is the tribe of Dan not listed in Revelation 7 - till we shall have sealed the bondmen of our God on their foreheads.

Genesis 49:1 Then Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you what shall happen to you in days to come. [he last days or end of days]
2 “Assemble and listen, O sons of Jacob, listen to Israel your father.

Genesis 49:16 “Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.
17 Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse's heels so that his rider falls backward.

> This prophecy was fulfilled in the 1920s through the 1930s and the holocaust of the Second World War in Europe.
When many European nationals [not just the Germans/Austrians] judged the Jews as one of the tribes of Israel (Jews = Judah).
Here we have a deliberate attempt by satan to thwart the prophecies of God concerning the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.

One wife made up of all the nations .No division between a Jew and Gentile. Whosoever that does not belong to the Spirit of Christ does not belong to God .

No sign gifts according to the shades of flesh
 
When God made those promises to Abraham,he said they will be forever. Now to me,forever is never-ending....eternal. Now if God took back those promises,....they are not for forever, then how can we trust him when he says we will have (forever) eternal life?
God is by no mans through with Israel
I pray for the Jewish people around the world and pray for Israel every day,

may God protect and bless Israel.
What are you writing of ??
Judah and the Jews are not Israel.
Further the Jews (Judah) were divorced by God in 70AD.
What blessings for the restoration of Judah to their homeland is only because of the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Israel is now the Spirit-filled church that believes and worships the Messiah of Israel, Jesus.
Those born from above and our truly baptized in the Holy Spirit constitute Israel (Ephraim).
What are you fussing about, guys? Don't you know that Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.(Matt. 15:24)? If God's done with Israel, then nobody can be saved, all is lost forever!
 
I know this has been talked about before here.

The 13 tribes mentioned in Numbers 1, are not the same 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation 7.

Num 1:21 their numbered men of the tribe of Reuben were 46,500.
Num 1:23 their numbered men of the tribe of Simeon were 59,300.
Num 1:25 their numbered men of the tribe of Gad were 45,650.
Num 1:27 their numbered men of the tribe of Judah were 74,600.
Num 1:29 their numbered men of the tribe of Issachar were 54,400.
Num 1:31 their numbered men of the tribe of Zebulun were 57,400.
Num 1:33 their numbered men of the tribe of Ephraim were 40,500.
Num 1:35 their numbered men of the tribe of Manasseh were 32,200.
Num 1:37 their numbered men of the tribe of Benjamin were 35,400.
Num 1:39 their numbered men of the tribe of Dan were 62,700.
Num 1:41 their numbered men of the tribe of Asher were 41,500.
Num 1:43 their numbered men of the tribe of Naphtali were 53,400.
Num 1:47 The Levites, however, were not numbered among them by their fathers' tribe.

Rev 7:4; And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Rev 7:5; from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
Rev 7:6; from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
Rev 7:7; from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
Rev 7:8; from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

Levi is added in Rev 7:7; .. and a new tribe not listed in Numbers is added, the tribe of Joseph in Rev 7:8; . So then who was removed and why?

Ephraim is in Num 1:33; but not in Rev 7. Also Dan is in Num 1:39; but not in Rev 7.

I have heard a number of different theories and no seems to know for sure, my best guess is the events in Jdgs chapters 17 to 21.
It is a huge misunderstanding that Dan is cursed and thus excluded from the endtime "remnants". First of all, those 144,000 are just the "firstfruits" of all who are redeemed, aka the Great Multitude of all tongues, tribes and nations:

These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.(Rev. 14:4)

Shortly afterward, the whole earth is reaped by the Lord himself, which also fulfills the parable of the wheat and the tares - wheat gathered into the barn, tared thrown into the fire:

Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (Rev. 14:14-16)

Therefore, by no means should the firstfruist of these 144,000 be regarded as the entirety of all Israel, nor are they "144,000 Jewish evangelists", as many pastors might have told you. They are a SAMPLE of the whole harvest. On the feast of the Firstfruits, such a sample was brought to the priest and waved before the Lord, and the final fulfillment of that is John's vision in Rev. 14:1-5. Jesus the Lamb is the high priest, those 144,000 are the sheaf which he waved before the Lord:

‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. (Lev. 23:10-11)

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. (Rev. 14:1-5)


Although Dan is absent among the 144,000 for unknown reason, no evidence suggests that they're absent from the harvest or they're cursed altogether. In fact, back in the wilderness, Dan was one of the four leading tribes. The four living creatures with faces of lion, ox, eagle and man are symbols of those four tribes - Judah, Jospeh, Dan and Reuben. In both Ezekiel's and John's visions, those four living creatures were carrying God's throne, that's a prophetic picture of those four tribes camped around the Tabernacle of Meeting in the wilderness, it was decribed in Num. 2 in details. At the end of Ezekiel, the original twelve tribes were named on the city gates of New Jerusalem, both Dan and Joseph included.

These are the exits of the city. On the north side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits (the gates of the city shall be named after the tribes of Israel), the three gates northward: one gate for Reuben, one gate for Judah, and one gate for Levi; on the east side, four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Joseph, one gate for Benjamin, and one gate for Dan; on the south side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Simeon, one gate for Issachar, and one gate for Zebulun; on the west side, four thousand five hundred cubits with their three gates: one gate for Gad, one gate for Asher, and one gate for Naphtali. All the way around shall be eighteen thousand cubits; and the name of the city from that day shall be: THE LORD IS THERE.”(Ez. 48:30-35)
 
Subject Heading:- 'God is not done with Israel'
When God made those promises to Abraham, he said they will be forever. Now to me, forever is never-ending....eternal. Now if God took back those promises, .... they are not for forever, then how can we trust him when he says we will have (forever) eternal life?
God is by no means through with Israel
Hello @lentz,

No (Praise God!) God's purpose for Israel will yet be fully accomplished.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
 
Don't you know that Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

Initially, yes. But was that His only mission? I apologize for the capital letters below, these verses are capitalized in my Bible. I didn't change them.

Matt 12:18; "BEHOLD, MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN; MY BELOVED IN WHOM MY SOUL is WELL-PLEASED; I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, AND HE SHALL PROCLAIM JUSTICE TO THE GENTILES.
Matt 12:21; "AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE."

Luke 2:32; A LIGHT OF REVELATION TO THE GENTILES, And the glory of Your people Israel."

Acts 9:15; But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
Acts 11:18; When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
Acts 13:47; "For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.'"
Acts 15:17; SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
Rom 3:29; Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
Rom 15:11; And again, "PRAISE THE LORD ALL YOU GENTILES, AND LET ALL THE PEOPLES PRAISE HIM."
Gal 3:8; The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."

Col 1:27; to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
 
Initially, yes. But was that His only mission? I apologize for the capital letters below, these verses are capitalized in my Bible. I didn't change them.
I just point out how silly this idea is that God is "done with Israel". The entire chapter of Romans 11 is talking about God's redemption of Israel. When Jesus said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel, that's not just the ten lost tribes or the Samaritans, but all Gentiles who are adopted as children of God through Christ! God's church didn't start with the 3,000 at pentecost, it started with Abraham through the covenant, and through him, ALL nations will be blessed! Even in Exodus, there was a “mixed multitude” followed Moses into the wilderness (Ex. 12:38), and they were assimilated into the twelve tribes whatsoever. God's church isn't "replaced" with the gentiles, quite the contrary, we the gentiles are adopted INTO God's church; in other words, the gentile church has never "replaced" Israel, the gentile church is incorporated INTO Israel!

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. (Rom. 8:12-17)

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:26-29)

Therefore remember that you, once gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcised by what is called the circumcision made in the flesh by hands, that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens form the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. (Eph. 2:11-13)
 
What are you fussing about, guys? Don't you know that Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.(Matt. 15:24)? If God's done with Israel, then nobody can be saved, all is lost forever!

I would think one would first have to define the word Israel seeing all israel is not Israel. . . This before we can make a judgment. . . is God done ?

The remnant of Israel are the born again Christians .

Not all Israel is born again Israel and in the same way not all that say they are Christian are. They make up both kinds . False apostles' and true apostles

God is not finished . . . the lost sheep of born again Israel are called Christians by our Father.

Zion the heavenly city not seen signified by earthly Jerusalem seen the city of bread

Isaiah 62;1-5 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

The father who first named His bride Israel promised to name her a new name which he did in Acts naming her ; . . . Christian a demonym .literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city" (Zion) named after its founder and husband not seen Christ . . coming down prepared as his wife the bride or the church on the last day under the Sun..

The father in heaven teaching the apostles through Jesus the prophet how to walk by faith . . . understanding the unseen eternal things. Hid from the unbelievers likened by the apostles. . . The signified language of parables. After a series of parables where the gospel understanding was hid .They came to one that It seemed Jesus was going towards earthly Jerusalem rather than his true purpose establishing the bride of all the nations. They misunderstood the parable and turned to the misunderstood law of God . . bring down his fiery judgment.

Luke 9:51-55 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.


Wrong manner of spirit faith in their own dying flesh
 
Wrong manner of spirit faith in their own dying flesh

I've seen you use this phrase a few times now. Can you give me the scripture reference for this? In fact can you give me any verse at all with the words "spirit" and "dying flesh" in them together?

one would first have to define the word Israel seeing all israel is not Israel

Sometimes it is. In the case of Revelation 7:5-8; for example it is biological Israel. We know this because the 12 tribes are mentioned.
This is contrasted with Revelation 7:9; where it talks about about peoples from every race, tongue, and nation.
There are likely Jews in this "great multitude" of people wearing white robes. But it isn't only Jews obviously.
 
1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Is it possible our bodies will be "preserved complete". I have to study this more.

1Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
 
There was a division of the children of Israel.
The northern kingdom of Israel were taken away and disappeared from history.
The southern kingdom of Judah remained Jewish and although expelled from their homeland of Judah they have again returned from their exile.
There are two Covenants.
The old expired Covenant the Jews mistakenly hold on to as a rebellious stiffnecked people and denying the time of their visitation.
And the new and living Covenant as prophesied that was given to the house of Israel.
Christians and Jews are the two sticks that one day will be joined together under one King.
 
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