Godhead VS. Trinity?

[Chad]

So are you suggesting we are now three persons united in one? I don't think that makes sense??

It doesn't make sense because I never said 3 persons. I said 3 parts that make up a human, not persons. Read carefully.

Regarding the verse by Paul:

1 Corinthians 15:28 - Bible Verse Meaning and Commentary

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[Enxu]

It doesn't make sense because I never said 3 persons. I said 3 parts that make up a human, not persons. Read carefully.

Regarding the verse by Paul:

1 Corinthians 15:28 - Bible Verse Meaning and Commentary

What does 1 Corinthians 15:28 mean? Read commentary on this popular Bible verse and understand the real meaning behind God's Word using John Gill's Exposition of the Bible.

www.biblestudytools.com

Even if that "3 parts" theory is applied instead of three persons, that still doesn't answer the other questions I've raised (like how the name of Jesus just totally disappeared from the baptism formula). Jesus and His apostles repeatedly warned the church of false teachers and false doctrines, which was starting to take root even in the first century of the church. Strangely enough, the trinity doctrine was never taught even by Jesus' apostles and was formalized by the RCC only centuries later. Even Moses, who talked to God face to face, never alluded to the trinity concept. Do we really know the origin of what we believe in?

 

[Chad]

Ok, what then do you say about the part which I quoted which said that the Roman Catholic Church changed the baptism formula?

What does the Roman Catholic Church have anything to do with authority of scripture? Why are you even concerned with what the Catholic Church does instead of what scripture says?

 

[Enxu]

What does the Roman Catholic Church have anything to do with authority of scripture? Why are you even concerned with what the Catholic Church does instead of what scripture says?

Because they were the ones that formalized the trinity doctrine and then removed the name Jesus from baptism. That, to me, makes the trinity doctrine dubious. Not to mention how they've paganised much of Christianity and changed many things under their own authority. Most of the teachings about trinity originated from them, and then Scriptures are applied to suit that teaching. Again, do we really know the origins of what we believe?

 

[Chad]

Because they were the ones that formalized the trinity doctrine and then removed the name Jesus from baptism. That, to me, makes the trinity doctrine dubious. Not to mention how they've paganised much of Christianity and changed many things under their own authority. Most of the teachings about trinity originated from them, and then Scriptures are applied to suit that teaching. Again, do we really know the origins of what we believe?

I went to Catholic school for 12 years and they never removed Jesus from child baptism. Focus on scripture and not what they do. The trinity is biblical and the proof was given to you. I’m not going to respond to this thread any further.

 

[Enxu]

Sue D.,
re: "God always Has been part of the trinity."

Can the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit converse back and forth among themselves, and can God join in when He wants to?

The trinity is a doctrine that was taught in pagan religions long before Jesus even came. Just do your own research. Now Scriptures are interpreted to suit that teaching, which had its origins from pagans.

The Father and Son are TWO, that is why when They said Let US create man in OUR image, He created TWO persons. From eternity, there was only the Father and the Son. Woman came from the bosom of Man, just like the Word of God (Son) came from the bosom of the Father.

Body, soul and spirit are used as an argument for the trinity, but that is actually false. Who we are is actually soul and spirit (again two), body is a vessel to hold the soul and spirit, not an actual representation of who we are. The Spirit is the consciousness of God, shared by the Father and the Son. It is not an actual person. The Spirit that descended upon Jesus is the Spirit of God His Father, not a third person. Study the Scriptures for yourself, not listen to man-made doctrines.

 

[Chad]

Now Scriptures are interpreted to suit that teaching, which had its origins from pagans.

Wrong again. You were provided ample scripture to back up Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Go take a break.

 

[Wnl]

Hi All, I don't know why you have to have all these discussions on the trinity or
Godhead, it's not important as to my salvation.

It's obvious to me that God made all things.

So the Holy Spirit and Jesus are created beings by God.

That being so they are the spokespersons of God representing Him
and controlled by Him, making them all one in God our creator.
With Love, Wnl

 

[B-A-C]

It's obvious to me that God made all things.

So the Holy Spirit and Jesus are created beings by God.

Except that.. Jesus made everything.

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (Jesus)

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17; He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (Jesus)

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

 

[Sue D.]

@Wnl -- the Godhead is important because it makes our salvation possible.

God did not create the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ. The Godhead has always been. Eternal.

 

[Wnl]

Hi B A C.
Gen (1:1). In the beginning God created heaven and earth, now read the rest of the chapter, then maybe we can have a good basis for discussion.
With Love Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

I'm not B.A.C but curious -- what About the rest of the chapter ?!

 

[Wnl]

Hi again. B.A.C I take it that you have read many times Gen ch.1
stating that God made all things in six days then rested.

Then 4000yrs later the Bible says that (as you have quoted) Jesus
made all things.

So there seams to be a contradiction in scripture, let me try to explain.
If you are not spirituality inclined you will not understand my explanation.

The scripture you quoted says THROUGH HIM not by Him.

Jesus was GIVEN all authority from God, spirits of Righteousness and Truth and
all related spirits, temporally to set an example to us in the flesh in the hope
Of our salvation planned by God before the world began.

I hope you get this, so the scriptures you quoted, it doesn't mean that
Jesus personally made all these things, it means that all things where
made in righteousness and truth the spirits that Jesus represents, from
God, not Him personally. Think spirituality, hope this helps,
With Love, Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

So you're suggesting that After Genesis 1:1 that 4,000 yrs. later ?? Where do you get that from?

 

[Wnl]

Hi Sue, because it's there abouts 4000yrs from genesis 1 to Jesus
With Love, Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

Are you refering to the birth of Jesus Christ here on earth?

Where do you get the 4,000 yr 'gap' between in the beginning when the Godhead created everything to when Jesus apparently was 'making all things'.

 

[Wnl]

Hi Sue, I did say in my post 53
If you are not spiritually inclined you will not understand my explanation
There is one God who is spirit, the Bible is a spiritual book, you must read
and see things spirituality and not as read practically.
Godhead means Devine, God with His host of created spirits.
A foot note for you to consider, Jesus was never good and evil,
Jesus did not create evil and all the related spirits, God did.
Jesus said He was answerable to God in all He did, because all spirits
are Gods and in His control,
I employs you to read Gen1 again.
Hope this helps.
With Love, Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- I'm probably as 'spiritually inclined' as you are.

God's Word is both spiritual and practical for daily life.

Yes, the Godhead Is divine --- His hosts of created spirits would be the angelic world. -- and 'we' are the people in This world.

Jesus / Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Godhead and He was Also on this earth - born as a baby into the Jewish world -- He was here as both divine and human -- and He died on the cross for our sins and was buried and rose again the 3rd day. And then He , after 40 days, ascended back up to heaven with God the Father.

All spirits are Not Gods --- Jesus Christ is not a spirit. There IS the Holy Spirit which is the 3rd person of the Godhead. That / He is the part of the Godhead / Trinity / that comes to indwell the born-again believer at the instant of their salvation.

 

[Wnl]

Hi Sue I never suggested that all spirits are Gods, you read it wrong.
With Love, Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

Hi Sue, I did say in my post 53
If you are not spiritually inclined you will not understand my explanation
There is one God who is spirit, the Bible is a spiritual book, you must read
and see things spirituality and not as read practically.
Godhead means Devine, God with His host of created spirits.
A foot note for you to consider, Jesus was never good and evil,
Jesus did not create evil and all the related spirits, God did.
Jesus said He was answerable to God in all He did, because all spirits
are Gods and in His control,
I employs you to read Gen1 again.
Hope this helps.
With Love, Wnl

"Godhead means Devine, God with His host of created spirits" So -- what are the 'host of created spirits'? Are you talking about the angelic realm? so --What are all the related spirits, that God Did create?