"GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE and "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY"

[BroTan]

It would be good to hear what other Bros & Sissies in Christ believe about who "God's Chosen People" are and "Replacement Theology".

Something to ponder on maybe:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26–29 ESV)" Does Anyone Actually Believe in Replacement Theology?

Below are verses that I believe to be pertinent, in a discussion on this topic (Are Jews still God's chosen people?:

GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE

The best people to answer this posted question are Jesus and the New Testament Apostle! No matter how modernists wish to interpret the Old Testament statements of the prophets, they do not take president over the clear teaching of the Master:

He came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God...who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

Think not to say within yourselves, 'We have Abraham to our father, for I say unto you, that God is able to raise up children unto Abraham. And now the ax is laid unto the root of the trees; therefore every tree which brings `not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire! (Matthew 3:9-10) (This answers the question of whether the Jews are "grandfathered in".)

Ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children that killed the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Matthew 23:31-33, 38. Consider also, Mtt. 8:11-12, 21:42-46)

Then Jesus ended His speech by saying that the only way they could be accepted by God would to acknowledge that Jesus is the Blessed One who came in the Name of the LORD.

[Note that modern Israel fails to acknowledge this Deity of Christ...and that modern Orthodox Jews in Israel persecute Christians living there! This was a concern expressed by the King of Jordon a month ago.]

And so how do the Apostles of Christ answer this posted question? They left this record:

For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...for there is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or female, for all are One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. (Galatians 3:38)

The original intent of the Abrahamic Covenant was not the privilege of one race, but was a spiritual covenant in which all nations could participate...because of faith in Christ.! (Compare Hebrews 11:8-16 "a spiritual city sought")

You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....Unto you therefore who believe he is precious; but unto them who be disobedient, the Stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner...But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but now are the people of God! (1 Peter 2:5-10)

Answer It is clear from the Scriptures which recorded the teaching of Christ and the Apostles, that only those who are disciples of Jesus are the chosen people of God. Hath God cast away His people? No. Any Jew can receive Christ as savior...and many have throughout the centuries. So that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) It is in this method alone (through calling on God with faith in Christ) that any and all Israel shall be saved (The Greek word for "so" is an adv. of 'manner' or 'method' Romans 11:26; it does not mean a totality, neither does it refer to a future time.)

So only those Jews who are Christ disciples (Messianic Jews)---and who are willing to share this title with Gentiles---are God's chosen people.

Perhaps we can explore this together ..let me know your thoughts on the topic: God's Chosen People and Replacement Theology?

I wonder how an individual can read a scripture such as the following, when Jesus says in (Matthew 15:24 ) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel and yet not understand the significance or the importance of biblical Israel. The truth of the matter is, people as a whole, know very little about Israel or their relationship with God. A point one should take note of, is that, it was Israel who received the word of God. It was Israel, through whom God revealed Himself to man. And Jesus, Himself was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now other sheep, were received into Jesus fold and these other sheep were the Gentiles. Jesus stated that there would be one fold and one shepherd. In other words Jesus is the way of salvation to all, to Jew and Gentile alike. And to follow Jesus, and to be His sheep, one must obey the word of God. Now Gods word as mentioned was given to Israel. Hence to be a sheep in Jesus fold, one must adhere to the word given to Israel.

Paul says in Romans 11: 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

The Israelites were remove from the land of Israel, it was left as an empty vacant lot, with know inhabitants. Now, if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people Which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture, history, and even call them self by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years, that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had been move by force, and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (Jews)!

The God of Israel (The God of the Bible) pronounced a sentence upon Israel. He told them that if they would not keep his laws and abide by his rules, he would curse them, telling them exactly what would befall them. Israel broke his laws and did not keep his rules, so the Lord cursed them as he said he would. (See Deuteronomy 28th chapter).

In the 28th chapter, it should be understood that a lot of these things happened over the course of many years, continuing down to our time. Because this curse was pronounces upon us when Israel first became a nation, many of these curses occurred before our time and we don't recognize some of them, but some we do. Those we recognize are the ones that we will point out. The Lord said these curses will be upon us for a sign and wonder; (sign means to identify and wonder is to ask why).

But let's go to the future in Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

Paul said this in Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[Gerbolski]

I wonder how an individual can read a scripture such as the following, when Jesus says in (Matthew 15:24 ) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel and yet not understand the significance or the importance of biblical Israel. The truth of the matter is, people as a whole, know very little about Israel or their relationship with God. A point one should take note of, is that, it was Israel who received the word of God. It was Israel, through whom God revealed Himself to man. And Jesus, Himself was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now other sheep, were received into Jesus fold and these other sheep were the Gentiles. Jesus stated that there would be one fold and one shepherd. In other words Jesus is the way of salvation to all, to Jew and Gentile alike. And to follow Jesus, and to be His sheep, one must obey the word of God. Now Gods word as mentioned was given to Israel. Hence to be a sheep in Jesus fold, one must adhere to the word given to Israel.

Paul says in Romans 11: 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

The Israelites were remove from the land of Israel, it was left as an empty vacant lot, with know inhabitants. Now, if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people Which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture, history, and even call them self by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years, that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had been move by force, and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (Jews)!

The God of Israel (The God of the Bible) pronounced a sentence upon Israel. He told them that if they would not keep his laws and abide by his rules, he would curse them, telling them exactly what would befall them. Israel broke his laws and did not keep his rules, so the Lord cursed them as he said he would. (See Deuteronomy 28th chapter).

In the 28th chapter, it should be understood that a lot of these things happened over the course of many years, continuing down to our time. Because this curse was pronounces upon us when Israel first became a nation, many of these curses occurred before our time and we don't recognize some of them, but some we do. Those we recognize are the ones that we will point out. The Lord said these curses will be upon us for a sign and wonder; (sign means to identify and wonder is to ask why).

But let's go to the future in Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

Paul said this in Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

There are many prophecies in the bible, concerning the nation of Israel, in returning into their land, and things via it's captivity.

When it says that God shall turn their captivity (in some verses that you mentioned), when Israel shall obey God with all their hearts; in this captivity, it is including all of it's captivities including a future captivity that it shall go through, which is the captivity that it shall go through when the Antichrist and his minions march into Israel and set up the image of the beast, which they will be told to flee.

And this turning away of their captivity happens during the time of the second coming, when Israel shall be saved, and love him with all their hearts.

But there are other verses, which refer to when they came back to their land in 1948, which in certain verses it mentions them, first coming back to their own land, as ones who are not alive in Christ, which he does this because of his compassion.

God is a God of judgment, but also he has mercy and compassion.

So now Israel is their own independent nation once again, and they are not under captivity, but that does not mean that this is the end of their judgment, for they still have to face the persecution of the Antichrist.

 

[Gerbolski]

When it says that blindness in part is happened to Israel, it means that.

Blindness in part, is not blindness in full, for not all Israel became spiritually blind, and an example of this are the 120 in the upper room.

 

[Gerbolski]

2Th 2:3-4
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Mat 24:15
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand : )

Dan 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The easiest way for Israel to build a temple, and restart the sacrifices, is to first become an independent nation, which happened in 1948, and one day, once they rebuild the temple and restart the sacrifices, at some point, the Antichrist shall enter into that temple, and remove the sacrifices.

And certain verses in Ezekiel shows forth, this 1948 reassembling of the Israeli nation.

 

[Gothedral]

2Th 2:3-4
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Mat 24:15
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand : )

Dan 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The easiest way for Israel to build a temple, and restart the sacrifices, is to first become an independent nation, which happened in 1948, and one day, once they rebuild the temple and restart the sacrifices, at some point, the Antichrist shall enter into that temple, and remove the sacrifices.

And certain verses in Ezekiel shows forth, this 1948 reassembling of the Israeli nation.

Christ is the last sacrifice, and Israel is His obedient children / His Church / the Body of Christ - so you bare false witness, and that is a no-no. ️

 

[Gerbolski]

Christ is the last sacrifice, and Israel is His obedient children / His Church / the Body of Christ - so you bare false witness, and that is a no-no. ️

Yes Christ is the last sacrifice, and saved people are called inward Jews, and are his church, but those facts does not deny the existence of physical Israel, so I do bear total witness, to both truths, not ignoring one or the other.

 

[Gothedral]

Yes Christ is the last sacrifice, and saved people are called inward Jews, and are his church, but those facts does not deny the existence of physical Israel, so I do bear total witness, to both truths, not ignoring one or the other.

out of context, but honest nonetheless. All Glory to Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

Saint John, chapter 20:

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[BroTan]

There are many prophecies in the bible, concerning the nation of Israel, in returning into their land, and things via it's captivity.

When it says that God shall turn their captivity (in some verses that you mentioned), when Israel shall obey God with all their hearts; in this captivity, it is including all of it's captivities including a future captivity that it shall go through, which is the captivity that it shall go through when the Antichrist and his minions march into Israel and set up the image of the beast, which they will be told to flee.

And this turning away of their captivity happens during the time of the second coming, when Israel shall be saved, and love him with all their hearts.

But there are other verses, which refer to when they came back to their land in 1948, which in certain verses it mentions them, first coming back to their own land, as ones who are not alive in Christ, which he does this because of his compassion.

God is a God of judgment, but also he has mercy and compassion.

So now Israel is their own independent nation once again, and they are not under captivity, but that does not mean that this is the end of their judgment, for they still have to face the persecution of the Antichrist.

peace in Jesus mighty name.......When you find those verses that, refer to when they came back to their land in 1948, let me know. I don't believe the Bible says such things, but the last three tribes was in 70 A.D. Jesus say in Luke 21: 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. So the Gentiles time is still up, no returning to the land as a nation until the Gentiles times be fulfilled.

 

[Gerbolski]

peace in Jesus mighty name.......When you find those verses that, refer to when they came back to their land in 1948, let me know. I don't believe the Bible says such things, but the last three tribes was in 70 A.D. Jesus say in Luke 21: 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. So the Gentiles time is still up, no returning to the land as a nation until the Gentiles times be fulfilled.

I do not know were you get this thing about the last 3 tribes.

But anyhow, I believe that that verse in Luke is twofold.

Luk 21:24
(24) And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

It was trodden under foot in A.D. 70, and will be trodden under foot during the time of the Antichrist and his minions.

And yes the times of the Gentiles in it's fulness has still yet to be fulfilled.

In both times there will be a fleeing and a captivity, which there was a fleeing in A.D. 70, and will be a fleeing in the time of the Antichrist.

And yes there are verses that I have, that show them being brought back to their land, in an unsaved condition, and being brought back to their land in a saved condition, as we will see.

I will post soon enough, I just pray that views will not get in the way, and you will receive it for what it actually shows and says.