God's involvement inside relationships

[james1523]

Whenever Christian think that God tests them, they automatically think that God is stupid and does not know the outcome. The Bible says that God makes known the end from the beginning, so he must already know the end. Do you get it?

I think your assumption about a Christians view of testing is wrong. Normally testing is seen as a refinement of ourselves, a way to build or strengthen faith, to grow and mature (1 Peter 1:7).

 

[james1523]

Why is this so difficult for you to understand? What did i tell you i didn't want to do? Did i not say i didn't want to get into a theological debate on who God is? Did i not say we are on two different levels of understanding and that some want spiritual food and are ready and some can only still handle spiritual milk?

Do you really want truth? Are you ready for food? Are you willing to ask the tough questions and accept answers that are contrary to what you've come to know thus far? Are you really ready to abandon the traditionally held views in a quest for real truth? Are you really ready for that or are you only here to attempt to prove me wrong? Have you not argued everything i said? Did you not come into "MY" thread and avoided the depth of what i said in my original post? Did you not overlook the entire premise and core of what i said? Can you even remember what i said without going back and reading it again?

You pose questions but refrain from utilizing the points i made prior to this post. Without looking it up do you know the difference between autographs, manuscripts, and translations? Do you even know who translated the English bible and when it was done, and under what authority it was done? Do you know the history of the English translations or the bible itself? Are you really ready for food? Are the walls of pride too thick at this point in time? Do you require a revelation from Christ before you are ready?

I can't begin to answer your question about David's child until you are able to answer those questions with real truth because no matter what i tell you, if you are not spiritually ready for the truth your self righteous nature will reject it and argue everything i say, evidence in how this discussion has already transpired.

You said God did not kill the child. I gave the verse which says that God struck the child. I even used Strong's, as you also did, to confirm the meaning of the original Hebrew.

 

[james1523]

It is my opinion/theory that Christians have been deceived into believing that God does not have provisions for broken relationships, both dating, engagement, and marriage (along with so much more). The traditional view is that God can bring compatible people together, but it's up to the people to make it work. While I believe people have a role, i don't believe God has zero role. I believe it's the devil's deception to make mankind believe God is not involved, not a part of, will not assist, and has not created promises, spiritual authority, and provisions to fix and restore broken relationships. Divorces, broken hearts, infidelity, breakups plague the human species. To believe God is not able and will not solve the problem is putting God in box and illuminating the power of Satan. You are making Satan's ability to destroy (the thief came to kill and destroy), far greater than Jesus' ability to heal and fix that which was broken. What I want to know is where said promises are.

Example was Rick and Jennifer. Let's say Jennifer went off the deep end and was emotionally destroyed for some reason. She turned to cheating, lying, drugs, and alcohol. Where did those perversions come from? Clearly they didn't stem from God and we know we are not to wrestle with flesh, but the spiritual domain. So without having to illustrates 10 hours of scriptures and connecting all the dots (i leave that up to you) one can easily see that Jennifer's choices and behaviors and feelings are directly linked to some form of spiritual, emotional, and mental deception cause by demons (hence where the phrase, wrestling demons). So traditional Christianity tells us that Satan can pervert and enter a marriage to destroy it, yet God can not enter it to fix it? Satan doesn't have to get permission from the normal sense to enter into Jennifer's psyche to corrupt her, but God has to? So Satan is greater than God? I hardly think so.

Christianity has been duped into believing they are helpless in the matter of relationships. We've accepted circumstance as truth. Christians are not living the abundant life and part of that abundance is spiritual authority over your relations, both romantic, friendly, and business. Christians are playing from behind in nearly all aspects of their lives, especially relationships and I've had enough of it. I pose the hard questions that traditional churchianity does not want to answer because they can't. Either you are on board with my understanding or you're going to continue to swim in the pool of defeat and helplessness.

Back on track to the original topic at hand. Perhaps the reason for the high divorce rate in Christianity, is because people expect God to do what they are not willing to do themselves. Maybe this gives them a sense of false security or comfort, that they can take it easy and think "everything will be alright" because marriages are made in Heaven and "God will keep us together". Maybe you believe in the hocus pocus God. The magic working God, that God will simply wave his hand, and fix a marriage. But there is really no example of God healing or restoring a marriage relationship in the Bible. Even Christ's healing and miracle ministry on Earth - no record of Him ever healing a marriage. Jesus never instructed any of His disciples to go and heal marriages either. Neither is there any special spiritual gifts mentioned about restoring relationships/marriages. I wonder where this leaves all of the marriage counselling and marriage healing/restoration ministries? Jesus simply said "don't divorce". God is not going to do something that is our responsibility to do. God will not apologize to our wife on our behalf, neither will He force another person to love someone. A person who needs their mummy or daddy or even Daddy God to fix something they are not prepared to fix themselves, is not a mature responsible individual and probably shouldn't get married. Such a person is basically like a child who always cries when they don't get what they want and when another person hurts their feelings. God has bigger things to do than merely fix broken marriages, like building His church, or saving sinners. Despite all the emphasis today on marriage and relationships, with all the TV programs, songs and movies about love and relationships , the truth is that God does not exist just to fix messed up relationships, and the little importance that Christ seemed to place on healing marriages in the Bible, proves that.

Now the problem with Rick and Jennifer, is not that Satan came into the marriage. Satan was already there inside each of them. Satan dwells in man's sinful flesh, just as God dwells in man's Spirit. Just as Satan dwelt inside Peter and told Christ He must not go to the cross. I agree that God is able to solve problems. But for some reason God doesn't solve all the problems. There are so many promises in the Bible that are conditional upon mankind doing something or responding to God in a certain way. On the one hand we have God's ability to restore marriages, on the other hand we have man's responsibility to do the right thing. For example we cannot expect God to make another person love us if we are not willing to change our laziness or our bad habits. We cannot expect God to apologize to our spouse for all the hurtful things we have said or done. We cannot expect God to love our spouse on our behalf whilst we sit on our backsides watching TV and drinking beer.

 

[Just a Sheep]

You said God did not kill the child. I gave the verse which says that God struck the child. I even used Strong's, as you also did, to confirm the meaning of the original Hebrew.

LEARN Hebrew, then come back and have this discussion with me. Am i now your teacher?

 

[Just a Sheep]

Back on track to the original topic at hand. There is really no example of God healing or restoring a marriage relationship in the Bible. Even Christ's healing and miracle ministry on Earth - no record of Him ever healing a marriage. Jesus never instructed any of His disciples to go and heal marriages either. Neither is there any special spiritual gifts mentioned about restoring relationships/marriages. I wonder where this leaves all of the marriage counselling and marriage healing/restoration ministries? Jesus simply said "don't divorce". God is not going to do something that is our responsibility to do. God will not apologize to our wife on our behalf, neither will He force another person to love someone. A person who needs their mummy or daddy or even Daddy God to fix something they are not prepared to fix themselves, is not a mature responsible individual and probably shouldn't get married.

Now the problem with Rick and Jennifer, is not that Satan came into the marriage. Satan was already there inside each of them. Satan dwells in man's sinful flesh, just as God dwells in man's Spirit. Just as Satan dwelt inside Peter and told Christ He must not go to the cross. I agree that God is able to solve problems. But for some reason God doesn't solve all the problems. There are so many promises in the Bible that are conditional upon mankind doing something or responding to God in a certain way. On the one hand we have God's ability to restore marriages, on the other hand we have man's responsibility to do the right thing. For example we cannot expect God to make another person love us if we are not willing to change our laziness or our bad habits.

If you think that because the bible didn't record a certain type of miracle or healing procedure it doesn't exist is absurd. I absolutely despise when a person stands in their self righteous mentality pretending to know the word of God. Yet they find themselves using scripture quotes to assert their opinion. They conform scripture to fit what they want. It's sad and pathetic. Please I'm asking you nicely to not to try to dismantle what i say because you have no idea who i am, or what i know, or what i've learned. It's not a wise move because i'm not here to fight and bicker. You have chose to infect this conversation with self righteous actions while i know there are hundreds and thousands of people who have the same question. Evidence by how many views this thread received thus far. Just stop with the BS bickering and go on your way.

I can't actually believe you believe the things you type. You have no idea what I'm saying and are twisting and adding things to what i said. Misunderstanding and misinterpreting that which is written is clearly a trend that's developed on your part. I've tried to be nice and sincere and thought maybe you were actually trying to find truth, but i was wrong. James i highly suggest you end this debate at this point. We can agree to disagree and you can continue on trying to impress God with your decision making skills. Best wishes with that effort.

 

[james1523]

LEARN Hebrew, then come back and have this discussion with me. Am i now your teacher?

What's it got to do with learning Hebrew? I consulted Strong's, that's what Strong's is for. Even you consulted Strong's in your previous post. Why don't you learn Hebrew, then you won't need to look up Strong's yourself.

 

[james1523]

I can't actually believe you believe the things you type. You have no idea what I'm saying and are twisting and adding things to what i said. Misunderstanding and misinterpreting that which is written is clearly a trend that's developed on your part. I've tried to be nice and sincere and thought maybe you were actually trying to find truth, but i was wrong. James i highly suggest you end this debate at this point. We can agree to disagree and you can continue on trying to impress God with your decision making skills. Bet wishes with that effort.

I merely responded to the topic at hand with my views, as I have every right to do so, and I thought I was contributing to the topic at hand in some way. If you can't respect other people's opinion, without being rude, then I highly suggest you find another venue to gain some followers, as it is clearly your intention to "sell your wares" rather than discuss a topic in a cordial way. Perhaps you could try Israel, if our English tongue and English bibles are not good enough for you.

 

[Just a Sheep]

What's it got to do with learning Hebrew? I consulted Strong's, that's what Strong's is for. Even you consulted Strong's in your previous post. Why don't you learn Hebrew, then you won't need to look up Strong's yourself.

James please stop, you're talking about things that are far above your knowledge at this point in time. Statements like this one continue to prove you have no understanding of what I'm talking about. I'm asking you nicely once again to please leave this thread so other people who have the same questions can enter. It's really getting senseless now. Please move on to another subject with someone else and best of wishes for you.

 

[james1523]

If you think that because the bible didn't record a certain type of miracle or healing procedure it doesn't exist is absurd.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist or never happened. I'm saying it's of so little importance, that records of such a healing never made it into the Holy Scriptures.

 

[Just a Sheep]

I merely responded to the topic at hand with my views, as I have every right to do so, and I thought I was contributing to the topic at hand in some way. If you can't respect other people's opinion, without being rude, then I highly suggest you find another venue to gain some followers, as it is clearly your intention to "sell your wares" rather than discuss a topic in a cordial way. Perhaps you could try Israel, if our English tongue and English bibles are not good enough for you.

No you merely did not just respond with your views. You began to dismantle my views in an attempt to emphasize your own when i asked you numerous ways not to. Respecting other people's opinion's is something you should realize is a two way street. Was it not i that said we can agree to disagree and should end the conversation and thanked you for your effort? Suddenly i'm not the one respecting your opinion. Maybe have look at the man in the mirror.

You're telling me to find another venue yet i'm the one who made the thread, listen to your opinion, disagreed and asked you to stop on numerous posts, yet I'm the one who needs to find a new venue? Maybe you need to look at the man in mirror.

English tongue? Again you keep showing me you don't have the slightest understanding of what I've been saying, hence why I've asked you three or four times to stop bickering back and forth and agree to disagree, but that is too much for you.

For the last time, please stop baiting me into an argument and agree to disagree. move on to the next topic and best wishes to you.

 

[james1523]

James please stop, you're talking about things that are far above your knowledge at this point in time. Statements like this one continue to prove you have no understanding of what I'm talking about. I'm asking you nicely once again to please leave this thread so other people who have the same questions can enter. It's really getting senseless now. Please move on to another subject with someone else and best of wishes for you.

Thankyou anyway for the discussion, yet I doubt that others will appreciate your arrogant and condescending attitude.

 

[Just a Sheep]

I'm not saying it doesn't exist or never happened. I'm saying it's of so little importance, that records of such a healing never made it into the Holy Scriptures.

you alluded to the bible not keeping a record of healing marriages because they weren't important or not something God does. That thinking is a fallacy at minimal. I've said it over and over I'm not getting into this kind of discussion where i have to teach you who God is. You gave me your opinion on the subject at hand. I disagree with your position and asked you to end the back and forth. Instead you're still here doing what i have politely asked you not to do on numerous times. Please stop and avoid any further discussion on the matter. We see things differently and that's that.

 

[Just a Sheep]

Thankyou anyway for the discussion, yet I doubt that others will appreciate your arrogant and condescending attitude.

then that is their decision, not yours. Thank you for your effort and time and best of wishes to you.

 

[Chad]

@james1523 will not be responding back to this thread. I've taken care of this. Anyone who comes off insulting and lacking any Christ-like love, tone will have their accounts closed.

 

[Just a Sheep]

Thank you Chad

 

[Just a Sheep]

I know many people are in search of how God can restore broken relationships. For all those who are viewing this thread and if this question and topic does interest you, and I'm sure it does, please create an account an offer your perspective.

 

[Just a Sheep]

Well i know some people are reluctant to post, but from the amount of views this thread has received it clearly indicates people are interested. So while some may not feel comfortable posting or just visiting the site for information I do understand there are plenty of people throughout the world who have similar questions and problems.

After doing some more research I came across a book written by Lisa Comes in 1988. Lisa is the daughter of John Osteen and sister of Joel Osteen. She wrote a book 16 years ago called "6 Lies the Devil uses to destroy marriages". Anyone can find it online in PDF format. It's free to download or you can read it online, your choice.

I think for those with the same questions that i have will find it interesting and uplifting, but i like to take it a little further and expand it to all stages of romantic relationships, not just marriages. I'll explain my reasoning shortly, but first here are the six lies:

1. God's word doesn't provide healing for marriages (funny as this was the reason i was coming to this site; in hopes to find God's promises about restoring marriages/relationships).

[if God does not want divorce then surely he has a plan to avoid and it and solve the problems, so if divorce is not of God then it surely must be of the devil, yet the word has promised a restoration from everything Satan has taken from us. Breaking up relationships are not God's doing, but Satan's. Thus restoration and healing must include marriage and relationship healing].

2. You need to start all over, new partner, new marriage.
[of course the only one who wants this is the one who is pro divorce and breakups]

3. You married out of God's will.

[This one is a good one because Satan makes you believe that the person you married or dated was not a Godly individual and it yadda yadda yadda. Here is Satan making us think that God does not have the ability to make something good out of a mistake. There are countless examples of God taking mistakes and making them even better than before. We all weren't born a believer and don't unbelievers need love too? Aren't they worth the love of Christ? Sure the relationship may not go as smoothly if you both were on the same page, but that's not a good reason to shun unbelievers. To think God can't reach the heart of your mate is making the Devil's deception greater than Jesus' grace and success!]

4. You've been hurt too much to love again

[nonsense. Didn't Jesus go to the cross boring our griefs? Psalm 147:3 says God heals the brokenhearted. Enough said]

5. You marriage or relationship has to end in case of adultery

[the devil comes to the person who was cheated on and tells them that the relationship must end now because of the infidelity. Didn't Jesus show forgiveness to the woman who was about to be stoned for adultery? Maybe our broken hearts need to be healed first, so that we can understand that the evil spirits and principalities are what have corrupted our mates to pursue hurtful actions, thus allowing ourselves the ability to forgive? Doesn't Solomon tell us that "Every person believes what they do is correct"? That means at any given time a person does something because they believe it's the right thing to do. Well if your partner cheated on you with someone else your partner must have thought it was the right course of action at the moment in time. Do you really think it was Jesus in their ear telling them to cheat? Or was it someone else? I'll bet on the "someone else"!

6. My mate is a sinful unbeliever who will never change so our marriage could never be blessed.

[are there not promises for our entire households to come to the revelation of Christ's love? (Psalm 68:6 & Acts 16:31). Think about Saul. He was the worst. One of the most thickheaded self righteous people of his time. Then poof, he arguably became the most influential disciple/apostle of Jesus, at least in my opinion.

If anyone has read or listened to Charles Capps I believe his revelation on Speaking God's Word over yourself is incredibly influential and largely important to this topic. How often do we as people talk to God about the problem? We keep telling God all the things the devil tells us. Didn't the disciples wake Jesus up on the boat to tell him what the devil was saying?; "We're all gonna drown and die". What did Jesus do? Didn't he stand up and call for peace and calm? Genesis repeats "God said, and God saw". There was darkness and God called for light and light was. Jesus said, "speak to the mountain", not speak about the mountain. I'm sure we as people keep talking about the situation and how bad it is or how it's going to be and never take control and fight the spiritual forces that are oppressing our lives, especially our relationships. No one can deny the high divorce rate and couple breakups. It's a rampant problem and traditional Christianity believes God doesn't override free will in the conventional sense, yet at the same time they accept that the devil can.

Start commanding with authority of kingship what belongs to you. If your mate deceived you and broke your heart in some way shape or form, instead of going to our father and telling him what happened, start professing what you want according to his word; do you still want your mate back, do you want healing and restoration of the relationship?. If you want healing start saying, "By his stripes my heart is healed". Do you want your mate to come to the revelation of Jesus' love? Say "Because the Lord loves [insert name] he will heal them, rescue them, deliver them, and reveal his love and salvation". Start speaking what you want rather than what you have.

Example: If you have a dog and a cat and let's say you call the animals for dinner. Let's say the dog comes inside to eat, do you continue to call the dog to come in? Of course not, the dog's already here eating, you start calling what isn't there; the cat! Start calling for what belongs to you in Christ and what you want to see occur.

It may not happen the first time you say it and that's because the faith is not there. But good news, faith comes by hearing the word of God, so this means to keep saying it over and over again. Allow your inner ear to hear your voice speak God's word. Eventually the faith will come and the manifestation will occur.

I believe dating relationships like a boyfriend or a girlfriend also apply to this situation; Fiances as well. Marriage is not when our state or government says we're married or when there's a pagan ritual done, or a ring on the finger. I'm not exactly sure yet when God sees to people as married, but i know it's not the signing of a legal document in our state or a wedding ceremony. I'm still searching and I'm confident I'll find the answer with Jesus' direction, but I've seen and heard the same lies given to boyfriends and girlfriends so where there's smoke there's fire.

Since Satan is limited in his resources why would he invest demonic forces in simple boyfriend/girlfriend relationships if God didn't value them? Satan only attacks the things God values.

Hope this helps those who are searching for answers.