Grievances with God
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planet2146
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God's "love" seems like a bloodlust hobby. I really wish I had another way of looking at it.
KingJ
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You haven't actually given anything to respond to. You're just tossing out vague one-liners and expecting people to guess what argument you're trying to make. If you have a point to make then make it properly.
planet2146
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Ok, let me give you an example. In my life in review I recalled all the anger instigators I have ever known in my life. I think god has a grievance against me for that and I have recollected many situations where I have committed the sin of anger. I asked myself, was it me or was it them, both? One day I was shopping and I heard someone call my name. This person was a "friend" that I had not seen in decades. We had a lengthy conversation and as we conversed, I begin to see how this person subtly manipulated the conversation into a potential argument. Just like old times. I knew right away because I experienced some serious deja-vu talking to that person. Looking back previously to that time I deemed that particular "friendship" toxic, years later not knowing what a toxic relationship was. The conversation ended not too long after the conversation begin to sour and I knew right away that the meeting was no coincidence and was an example of one of many cases of synchronicity. I think god setup this arrangement to provide a replay, again there was serious deja-vu and I'm almost certain god was telling me, haha see how I can manipulate you, see how I manipulated you, "I never told you to get angry, anger is a sin and add that to your high sin count because I don't like you and I never will and I want you to spend eternal hell with my best friend satan."
Hold up is this from your past life or are you talking about something else
planet2146
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How about the rest of the message, got nothing to say because you know god's tone and you know how he talks spot on?
KingJ
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Thank you Planet for better explaining.
Two items jump out from this.
1. The sin of anger
2. God's involvement verse man's free will.
On 1, all sin has degrees. We all sin. But as Christians, we should only be battling with sins at a venial level, say 1–3/10, and not 8–10/10.
Now, if you are not a Christian, you need to be more focused on the teachings of Jesus to repent of your sins, Luke 5:32, rather than looking at what sins you are in or battling with. When you accept Jesus into your life, Rev 3:20, and He makes Himself known to you, 1 Cor 12:3, it is a life-changing event. You receive strength to live an upright life and overcome sin, Rom 8:37. You will still battle with venial sins, Rom 7:15, but you will readily repent and be able to not continue in them unrepentantly. You will have true repentance and, as such, walk in forgiveness with God, going from glory to glory, 2 Cor 3:18, with Heb 10:14 speaking of us being perfected forever.
On 2, be careful about making assumptions regarding God's involvement when reality is much more likely to be humans exercising and living in a space where true free will exists.
You seem to be describing an instance where déjà vu is simply the result of engaging with the same person who is talking pretty much the same way he has before. I would not read too much into it.
planet2146
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"When you accept Jesus into your life, Rev 3:20, and He makes Himself known to you, 1 Cor 12:3"
How I interpret this... god intentionally invites people into your life who have a special talent of making you angry so that they can help corrupt your sole? Going through the catholic schools system and completing all sacraments, this is the thank you one gets? You can say its a sin that you are battling, but to struggle and to be overpowered with the opportunity to sin with the help of god's love are two different things to me.
"You seem to be describing an instance where déjà vu is simply the result of engaging with the same person who is talking pretty much the same way he has before. I would not read too much into it."
I know that once you journey into the wilderness of life it is inevitable to meet these types of people. I'm not saying that I'm the only person who has experienced a toxic friendship or that the example that I provided was out of the ordinary. I don't believe in coincidences and I do know how god works or at least feel the presence of the holy spirit, this meeting was a statement. Needless to say, I was better equipped this time around to handle the soured conversation and just walk away rather than helplessly get sucked into another foolish argument. Not that it matters now because I failed that test so many times. I just think whatever it is god, satan, its just running up the score. No love, no forgiveness, whatever it is, its just saying "you know me real well now but sorry it is too late."
KingJ
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Three items to consider on your reply.
1. Scripture says that God directs the steps of the righteous Psalm 37:23. If that is you then, yes, God placed you with people that He believed you could reach for Him. God wants to use us. Christianity 101 is giving our lives to Him Matt 16:24.
2. God does put His children through uncomfortable situations to strengthen them. Build up their faith and trust in Him.
James 1:2–4: “My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.” Trials produce spiritual endurance and maturity.
3. You say ''Being overpowered the opportunity to sin'', you need to better explain what you mean by this.
We have been given a weak flesh that is prone to sin. But that is it. Full stop there. God does not tempt us and desire to see us fall.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
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The sad reality is that many Christians may not actually be Christians. Paul refers to some as “Christians so called” (1 Cor 5:11). Their hearts sour toward God, accusing Him of many things, while they simply assume they will receive His blessings and guidance as other, true Christians do. But instead, the devil sees a vulnerable and confused individual, putting their foot in church and therefore not properly protected by a Shepherd.
Reading all your posts, you sound exactly like that person. Why don't you examine your heart more carefully for a true love of and desire to serve Jesus? Did you ever actually have that? Did you ever truly repent of your sins? Was there any noteworthy depth of intent?
Just be honest with yourself. That is the first step in the right direction.
The more you type and the more I read your posts, the more I am convinced that you are yet another person who has put only one foot in Christianity.
There are five types of people in this world:
- True Christians: They have chosen to give their lives to Jesus and follow Him (Luke 9:23; Matthew 16:24).
- Very evil people: Those who choose to pull the middle finger to God and live each day selfishly and rebelliously against Him (Romans 1:28–32).
- Fake Christians: Those who put one foot in church and one foot in the world, unable to accept the call of Matthew 16:24, and therefore experience no genuine relationship with God. They are spiritually vulnerable and give the devil an opportunity to work against them (James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8).
- People on the fence: Those who have yet to choose a side (Joshua 24:15; Revelation 3:15–16).
- Children and the mentally handicapped: Those who do not have the same capacity for moral and spiritual understanding and accountability as a mature adult.
They are always expecting free handouts from God, rather than seeking Him and trusting Him. Scripture tells us to avoid people who continually cause division and trouble (Romans 16:17–18; Titus 3:10–11).
The more I read what you write, the more I wonder whether you have ever genuinely surrendered your life to Christ and experienced a real relationship with God.
All you need to do is get on your knees and have a real heart to heart with Him. Start with the Lord's prayer and try be as sincere as possible. The depth of intent required for true salvation is on par with that required for martyrdom.
Please read the OP in these threads :
Twistie
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Its a learning season Abba is showing us the difference between His people n those of the world..
It is written i am sending you out among wolves..we must be able to discern what we come upon when we should open our mouths and when its just not worth speaking on because its just foolish and vain talk..at one point in my life all i did was try n help those who would just take advantage n steal what ever little stuff i had at the time.. which really was never nothing much since i was always moving from place to place..ive meant hundreds of people been to numerous places of worship..i no longer see just a person when i meet them..Lord says we will know His children by the Love they show to one another..so many are lead by man instead of the Spirit of the Lord they usually assume the one that is lead by the Spirit is either crazy as a bat or full of pride..fact is we planted ourselves securely in Him..We learn by Him and Him alone.and We follow Him as close as we can get in this dark dreary world that evil one leads..
Just so ya know when we do "pass" these test some call it..or come to understand what we must learn and see what Abba is showing us and Hearing what He tells us we are one step closer to fulfilling His will..
Yep yep..
Hope alls well
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planet2146
Member
I don't disagree with your assessment but I think type 1 is a gift from god. I also don't consider myself a "Fake Christian", I went through the program and that was it. Life is a wilderness, it will gobble you up fast. I need shelter, food, pay heat, electricity and medical bills. I need entertainment to maintain sanity. When you say type 1, are referring to living in a monastery and isolating yourself from external things like money?Three items to consider on your reply.
1. Scripture says that God directs the steps of the righteous Psalm 37:23. If that is you then, yes, God placed you with people that He believed you could reach for Him. God wants to use us. Christianity 101 is giving our lives to Him Matt 16:24.
2. God does put His children through uncomfortable situations to strengthen them. Build up their faith and trust in Him.
James 1:2–4: “My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.” Trials produce spiritual endurance and maturity.
3. You say ''Being overpowered the opportunity to sin'', you need to better explain what you mean by this.
We have been given a weak flesh that is prone to sin. But that is it. Full stop there. God does not tempt us and desire to see us fall.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
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The sad reality is that many Christians may not actually be Christians. Paul refers to some as “Christians so called” (1 Cor 5:11). Their hearts sour toward God, accusing Him of many things, while they simply assume they will receive His blessings and guidance as other, true Christians do. But instead, the devil sees a vulnerable and confused individual, putting their foot in church and therefore not properly protected by a Shepherd.
Reading all your posts, you sound exactly like that person. Why don't you examine your heart more carefully for a true love of and desire to serve Jesus? Did you ever actually have that? Did you ever truly repent of your sins? Was there any noteworthy depth of intent?
Just be honest with yourself. That is the first step in the right direction.
The more you type and the more I read your posts, the more I am convinced that you are yet another person who has put only one foot in Christianity.
There are five types of people in this world:
Types 2 and 4 have a lot more hope than type 3. The sad and painful reality for those in type 3 is that there is a good chance that they may become inoculated against true Christianity and live out the remainder of their lives with no purpose and direction, mostly whining and grovelling about how God seems to favour some over others.
- True Christians: They have chosen to give their lives to Jesus and follow Him (Luke 9:23; Matthew 16:24).
- Very evil people: Those who choose to pull the middle finger to God and live each day selfishly and rebelliously against Him (Romans 1:28–32).
- Fake Christians: Those who put one foot in church and one foot in the world, unable to accept the call of Matthew 16:24, and therefore experience no genuine relationship with God. They are spiritually vulnerable and give the devil an opportunity to work against them (James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8).
- People on the fence: Those who have yet to choose a side (Joshua 24:15; Revelation 3:15–16).
- Children and the mentally handicapped: Those who do not have the same capacity for moral and spiritual understanding and accountability as a mature adult.
They are always expecting free handouts from God, rather than seeking Him and trusting Him. Scripture tells us to avoid people who continually cause division and trouble (Romans 16:17–18; Titus 3:10–11).
The more I read what you write, the more I wonder whether you have ever genuinely surrendered your life to Christ and experienced a real relationship with God.
All you need to do is get on your knees and have a real heart to heart with Him. Start with the Lord's prayer and try be as sincere as possible. The depth of intent required for true salvation is on par with that required for martyrdom.
Please read the OP in these threads :
KingJ
Loyal
If you were a true Christian you would properly grasp God's love and have faith in Him to meet all your needs.
No sir, you do most certainly not sound like someone who has given their life to Jesus. Too many fake Christians out there. They can't tell what a true Christin is anymore. Wearing a cross, partaking of the Holy Spirit, attending church meetings, going on a camp does not make you a Christian anymore than wearing a red costume makes you a lifegaurd.
Matt 16:24 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.''
planet2146
Member
So, do you think god unleashed a deity on me because im just a heathen to him?
KingJ
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God is good, Psalm 136:1, and impartial, Rom. 2:11. God would only test you at an extreme level if you are someone extremely devout to Him, someone like Job, Paul or Peter. The reality is that neither you nor I are close to the devotion those guys had. So, I highly doubt God is or was behind what is or has happened to you.
Perhaps share what exactly you are alluding to? Most members here have shared their life stories and the trials we all go through. Receiving counselling, prayer and encouragement is a key reason for sites like this.
planet2146
Member
As I mentioned in a previous post, whatever it is, its ways are nuanced, synchronistic and only I would understand. Explaining these situations would only create a circular reference conversation loop and you will say, well that happens to me all the time what is so out of the ordinary about your experience? You could never appreciate the context and frequency of these experiences. I was hoping to get a little bit more insight from you folks such as a metaphysical explanation. Does it sound like the work of the snake being so surreptitious?
KingJ
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Planet, you are talking to someone who has experienced a number of literal miracles by God.
God is real. Jesus is real. The Holy Spirit is real. The bible is real.
All evil, and I mean all evil is traced back to evil humans, angels and God permitting it within certain boundaries.
Next time someone is evil to you, try remember, that if they don't repent of their sins and stop their evil, they will be receiving ETERNAL PUNSHMENT one day when they die.
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You say you were a Christian, if you were you would know this. This is why I question your conversion. A true Christian can never type a post like yours.
You come across as intellectually dishonest, not interested in truth or properly sharing what you are going through. IE Troll.
planet2146
Member
"Planet, you are talking to someone who has experienced a number of literal miracles by God."
"God is real. Jesus is real. The Holy Spirit is real. The bible is real."
Yes, without a doubt there is a god and holy spirit.
"All evil, and I mean all evil is traced back to evil humans, angels and God permitting it within certain boundaries."
We are not "strong" like god and his angels, we are very fragile yet here it is messing with us anyway, beyond what we can take at times.
"You say you were a Christian, if you were you would know this. This is why I question your conversion. A true Christian can never type a post like yours."
To me, to be a good Christian you almost have to live a monk like existence. My genes and reality make that impossible. Can you say that you live a monk like existence? What are you thoughts on money?
"You come across as intellectually dishonest, not interested in truth or properly sharing what you are going through. IE Troll."
You can't explain synchronicity and its frequency in an intelligible way. Whatever it is knows this because if you try to explain it to someone, you will "seem" crazy because they definitely will not understand and dismiss it right away. It wants to discredit you. People are caught up in their own realities and Christians like yourself only know the bible and not the various real world applications of gods will experienced by people like me. More often than not i'm met with a hardline stance like yours. Whatever it is does this on purpose because of its snake nature. Whatever it is, it can be real nice to you and at the same time wrap its tail around your leg. I don't know, whatever it is probably hates me because I had a few human moments where I insulted god and chose to single me out or how i put in an honest effort studying catholicism and abandoned it when I completed all sacraments except the priesthood. I can tell you this, whatever it is, it is very, very, very intelligent. I mean, knowing what you are going to say, what you are going to think and where you are going to be years from now intelligent. I'm not here to troll, I have a lot better things to do. Whatever it is chose to make its presence known, this is the only place I could think of to go to get a better understanding.
KingJ
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I understand you are trying to make sense of some very unusual experiences.
A few points:
• Being a Christian does not mean living a monk-like existence or being sinless. Christians still struggle with sin. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ, not by achieving a certain level of holiness.
• Money itself is not sinful. Scripture says the love of money is a problem. A Christian can have money and possessions while still putting God first.
• I don't doubt that you have experienced things that you genuinely cannot explain. But I would be careful about concluding that whatever is behind those experiences is necessarily God. Scripture tells us to test the spirits.
• The Bible is actually very relevant to what you are describing. God can allow suffering while still placing boundaries on what Satan and evil can do. Job is an obvious example.
• I am not questioning whether you have suffered. I questioned your claim of having been a Christian.
I'm happy to discuss what you have experienced without assuming you're crazy or trolling. I just think we should test those experiences against Scripture and give God a fair hearing. Many, and I mean many, do not. God is a righteous Judge and He is not afraid of our honest examination.
• Isaiah 1:18 — “Let us reason together.”
• Isaiah 5:3–4 — God asks us to judge His dealings.
• Genesis 18:25 — “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
• Ezekiel 18:25 — God invites His fairness to be examined.
• Malachi 3:10 — “Prove me now herewith.”
• Psalm 34:8 — “O taste and see that the LORD is good.”
• Psalm 66:5 — “Come and see the works of God.”
• Psalm 46:10 — “Know that I am God.”
• John 7:17 — “He shall know of the doctrine.”
• John 10:37–38 — Jesus points to His works as evidence.
• John 14:11 — “Believe me for the very works' sake.”
• John 20:27 — Jesus tells Thomas to examine the evidence.
• Acts 17:11 — The Bereans searched Scripture to test what Paul taught.
• 1 Thessalonians 5:21 — “Prove all things.”
• 1 John 4:1 — “Try the spirits whether they are of God.”
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 — “Examine yourselves.”
• Romans 12:2 — “Prove what is that good...will of God.”
• Ephesians 5:10 — “Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.”
Gothedral
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Hi @planet2146 . I also testify beyond my future grave of the Love of The Holy Trinity Who is GOD. All Christians say this truly, because Christ is Truth. Like how the sun gives light and heat as benefit, but can also sunburn everything because it's a fireball. God created the sun as a celestial tool for you.
Short answer is: Deuteronomy chapter 18, and Ephesians chapter 6. Use the NABRE version if it's easier.
Longer answer:
I am interjecting here because I am also one of many people who used to be a witch; another mortal dabbling with metaphysical things and establishing contact with lower-case "g" entities for reasons. Now, I am just another man telling you that Jesus Christ saved me from that fruitless path. You know, the 'path' you insist we meet you on, which is weird because Christians know for a fact that Jesus is The Way, The Truth, The Life. (Saint John 14:6)
How could you possibly expect any of us to stray into the path of self-destruction you consistently describe? The Word is Law.
I lol at your stubbornness, especially on virtual holy ground. Anyway...
The capital "D" Devil and his angels and their cultists; confirmed by you on this Christian platform.
Then you know that bearing false witness to everyone reading this, and blaspheming Holy God makes things worse for you. Good! We only expect people to be authentic, genuine, honest. Trolls can't spend their money in Hell anyway. Good. I repeat:
Stop hurting yourself,
just stop ignoring God's pearls of wisdom, and go and sin no more.
Repentance is a change in your behavior. Trust in Jesus the Redeemer of Souls.
It is appointed unto all people to die, but Christ can save your soul.
Here's an adventure: Speak with your local pastors (Church-hopping is good) and take heed! You only get a lifetime.
I am adding you to my prayer lists because you seem to be demonically oppressed. Fear not, and Peace be with you.️
planet2146
Member
"How could you possibly expect any of us to stray into the path of self-destruction you consistently describe? The Word is Law."
Are you saying that you live a monk like existence and that you hate money?
"Then you know that bearing false witness to everyone reading this, and blaspheming Holy God makes things worse for you."
What do you mean bearing false witness? This my testimony. I really don't know what I'm dealing with but I told it to bother someone else who really needs its guidance.