groom taking brides last name

[gdemoss]

You have very interesting positions.

I wanted to be able to pick out my post quickly and
easily when in a discussion. Everyone's font tends to
look the same. It is also easier when I respond to
a quote someone made like I am now to distinguish my
answer from someone else. Organization. I do so in the chat room
too, by making my font a different color so as not to be
confused with someone else.

So you picked it out for your own purpose and as
a secondary it seems you like the idea that it is good
for others as well.

Certain situations call for an appropriate font. Like my
English research papers. They want something plain like
Ariel font and nothing too cursive to the point where they
can't read it.

Your English teachers desire to be able to easily read your work.

I suppose however his handwriting developed is the font
in which he used. Then again, He is the example of not
worrying about unimportant things. If He told Martha about
not getting frustrated over dinner, then worrying about a
font shouldn't be a tedious frustrating task to us.
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I got a good laugh out of this one...thank you.
What I had meant though was if he were born in the
age of computes and had to choose his own font to use.

lol...thanks again, always good to laugh.

As for Martha. Yes, the point of some things being more important or necessary than others for sure but I don't believe he meant for us to consider things trivial. And not to be given any priority but proper priority. It is the part of your life that you don't surrender to Christ that will get you in the end if your not careful. Martha was an example of someone who wasn't surrendering her life to Christ but busy busy in life. She was actually a victim of Gen 3:16 at that point. Rather than truly seek Jesus she subtle as a serpent calls him unrighteous and commands him to judge righteously. Our Lord chooses to be gentle in his answer back to her as he his awesome. He simply corrects Martha's perception for her. That said, if you search it out, you will find in John where Martha does not behave in such a way again, she simply serves while Mary chooses to anoint the feet of Christ.

Reminds me something I heard somewhere. A singer perhaps.
Someone who said I shall not worry until my problems
have been put in your hands. Something like that.

Not familiar with the tune.

Have a great day,

Gary

 

[dannibear]

You have very interesting positions.




So you picked it out for your own purpose and as
a secondary it seems you like the idea that it is good
for others as well.




Your English teachers desire to be able to easily read your work.



I got a good laugh out of this one...thank you.
What I had meant though was if he were born in the
age of computes and had to choose his own font to use.

lol...thanks again, always good to laugh.

No problem, I laughed too. I imagined Jesus
scribbling on papyrus as a little child and Mary
going 'Need to work on the G's.' lol.

As for Martha. Yes, the point of some things being more important or necessary than others for sure but I don't believe he meant for us to consider things trivial. And not to be given any priority but proper priority. It is the part of your life that you don't surrender to Christ that will get you in the end if your not careful. Martha was an example of someone who wasn't surrendering her life to Christ but busy busy in life. She was actually a victim of Gen 3:16 at that point. Rather than truly seek Jesus she subtle as a serpent calls him unrighteous and commands him to judge righteously. Our Lord chooses to be gentle in his answer back to her as he his awesome. He simply corrects Martha's perception for her. That said, if you search it out, you will find in John where Martha does not behave in such a way again, she simply serves while Mary chooses to anoint the feet of Christ.

A lot of people say don't be a Martha, be a Mary, but I find
both to be good examples for Christ followers. After the
incident when Jesus told her that Mary was right where she
belongs, no one knows what Martha did right after that.
Maybe she went back in the kitchen, but instead, did so
with a glad heart. Maybe she sulked for a bit before warming
up to His teaching. No one knows. But we do see that
she changed afterwards. After Jesus raised Lazarus from the
dead, Martha is again preparing the meal. But she doesn't
protest again. We realize that this means her attitude has
changed from one of bitterness, to one of service.
Her focus is on Jesus, which can teach us all, that no matter
what we do, our hearts can be glad to do so, knowing we do
it to glorify God.

Not familiar with the tune.

Have a great day,

I know, I hate not being able to pull it out of my
brain. It is in there somewhere...along with the chores
I am to do next week that I am sure I forgot a couple. :embarasse

 

[Tribulation]

drop the silly label " liberal " it's worldly and it sets you up to live up to your label.

Glad to hear someone else say this.

Too many people get tricked into labels aka "name calling".
It reduces peoples choices, and creates false barriers.

There is no such thing as a Democrat, or Republican, or Liberal. It's all make believe & pretend.

For instance... NO ONE gets to heaven just because they call themselves a Christian.

Fact:
Moses wasn't a "Christian"
Paul wasn't a "Christian"
Mary & Joseph weren't "Christians"
And guess who else wasn't a "Christian" ...... JESUS

Good luck on the name change thing. I don't have any good advice for that question. That's a tuff call. But I hear where your coming from.

 

[gdemoss]

Paul wasn't a "Christian"
Mary & Joseph weren't "Christians"

educate me then, what were they?

 

[Tribulation]

educate me then, what were they?

They were people who loved Jesus, and believed He was who He said He was.
The world system wants to categorize us. I don't categorize people. It's not necessary. Once I categorize something, then I know all I need to know about that thing or person, and I move on to the next thing.

Society (The world) wants everything to become products, so we can be categorized.
Its the same reason the 'mark of the beast' is necessary. So "the world" can label all of us.

Labels create boundaries, and limitations. Jesus never said to be a Christian.
Jesus never said to become something you're not.

Labels are worldly. Some people wear Levi jeans, and Nike shoes, with UnderArmor shirts.

Jesus wore sandals... were they Adidas, or Converse? Jesus wore clothes, but were they made by Columbia Clothing, or Fruit of The Loom?

The world wants us to be something we are not.
I want to be forgiven for my sins, and go to heaven when I die. That doesn't mean I want to be called a Christian. If someone else calls me a Christian, then they are just labeling me because they have become like a WAL-MART labeling gun.

They label things and stuff, that way they can move on and pretend they know what it's all about.

Hey look there goes a geek.
Oh look that guys such a jock.
She is so preepy.
Oh NOOO! Not one of those "Christians" again. They are so weird

Jesus said, "keep my commandments". And "love God with all your heart". He NEVER once said, you must become a Christian to enter heaven.

It's the people on the outside who call us Christians. They need a label. Because they don't undertand.

The Book of Acts says this also. It was outsiders calling Jesus's followers "Christians"
Why?
Because they DON'T understand what it REALLY means to walk with Christ.
So they label it, and assume 'that will' give them an understanding.

 

[gdemoss]

Χριστιανός - Christian

Χριστός - Christ

When breaking down the Greek word it seems to mean 'it began with christ' I suppose I would fit that description. Feel free to call me one if you believe it to be true.

 

[Tribulation]

Feel free to call me one if you believe it to be true.

You're more like a Muslim meets a atheist, with touch of Hindu. :shade:

Like my labels?

 

[gdemoss]

You're more like a Muslim meets a atheist, with touch of Hindu. :shade:

Like my labels?

The blind leading the blind.....:shock:

 

[Tribulation]

Χριστιανός - Christian

Χριστός - Christ

When breaking down the Greek word it seems to mean 'it began with christ'.

Which would imply that Mary & Joseph, & Moses, & Job, & so on and so forth. Were never Christians. Thanks for more proof of this.

Jesus did not become a Christian once he was raised from the dead. He became The Christ. Jesus was never a Christian Himself either.

I have friends that do not go to church, openly say they do not understand the Bible, and admit they do not read the Bible. Yet they consider themselves Christians.

The worldly wisdom is this:
Someone will say: I'm a Catholic... which implies they are a Christian... which implies they are saved

If someone says: "I'm a Republican"... that implies they stand for this, or stand for that.

It's just a label. And labels don't get anyone to heaven.

If I say... I'm NOT a Christian. But I do know The Truth. And I believe The Truth.
And someone says... "What is the Truth?"
I reply, "That Jesus was God in the flesh, came to earth, died for my sins, and is my Lord and Savior"

I already understand that labeling myself will NEVER get me to heaven.

 

[gdemoss]

Which would imply that Mary & Joseph, & Moses, & Job, & so on and so forth. Were never Christians. Thanks for more proof of this.

Joseph and Mary had to convert to Christianity if they were to be saved. Each had to bow the knee to the king in order to enter the kingdom. Moses and Job were never under any such obligation. Moses and the prophets were until John, then the kingdom began to be preached as Christ the King was here. Time to become a Christian.

Jesus did not become a Christian once he was raised from the dead. He became The Christ. Jesus was never a Christian Himself either.

I think you err. Jesus was Christ long before hi rose from the dead. Do we need to seek scripture or did you just miss speak?

Jesus couldn't be a Christian, your right.

I have friends that do not go to church, openly say they do not understand the Bible, and admit they do not read the Bible. Yet they consider themselves Christians.

The bible speaks of Jews who were the same way. You are not something just because you say you are. If that were possible I would go for that whole positive affirmation business.

The worldly wisdom is this:
Someone will say: I'm a Catholic... which implies they are a Christian... which implies they are saved

If someone says: "I'm a Republican"... that implies they stand for this, or stand for that.

It's just a label. And labels don't get anyone to heaven.

If I say... I'm NOT a Christian. But I do know The Truth. And I believe The Truth.
And someone says... "What is the Truth?"
I reply, "That Jesus was God in the flesh, came to earth, died for my sins, and is my Lord and Savior"

I already understand that labeling myself will NEVER get me to heaven.

While the World has perverted the definition of the word Christian, I love the fact that they all call themselves such. It gives me an entrance in to openly speak to them about Christ and the truth.

Labeling yourself will not get you into heaven, correct. Being labeled by someone else correctly will not reduce your chances.....

Thanks for the food for thought, nothing major to discuss but fun anyway,

Peace,

Gary

 

[Tribulation]

I think your right.

Labeling yourself will not get you into heaven, correct. Being labeled by someone else correctly will not reduce your chances.....

Thanks for the food for thought, nothing major to discuss but fun anyway,

Peace,

Gary

Are you calling me a Christian? :shade:

 

[gdemoss]

Are you calling me a Christian? :shade:

You kinda resemble one a bit....I have to spend some more time with you to be sure though.........:shade:

 

[sojourn4Christ]

life more abundantly

Thanks for replying, dannibear! No offense of any kind was intended. My desire was to get you to take notice, which, in today's world of myopic attention spans and sound-byte memories, is easier said than done! Allow me to reply to some of your statements.

How about this: I don't live with my parents. I live with my grandpa.
Now with that said, anytime I needed a copy of my birth certificate, or needed
to get my license or my military ID renewed...

I'm not trying to be a smart-alec, but please think for a moment. Who told you that you "needed" a copy of your birth certificate? Certainly, your mother knows you've been born, YOU know you've been born, and your Father in heaven knows you've been born. Now why would you need a "certificate" from Caesar (man's God-less government) to indicate what everyone already knows?

Did you know a birth certificate classifies one as property of the State? This is why, for instance, Child Protective Services can force their way into your home and take your children from you at gunpoint while you lay on the floor kicking and screaming about your so-called "rights."

Look in your wallet for the commercial papers you are carrying. You'll know it's commercial because it will have your Christian name (proper UPPER and lower case letters) perverted into an ALL CAPS format - what is known as a legal fiction. A name spelled in all capital letters is created by Caesar for Caesar's purposes. And it's only created by him when you enter his system. It's never created when you do not enter his system. And it can start as early as the birth certificate.

my sister and I had to jump through
hoops of fire to get any of those things that people who live with their
parents or who don't have a broken family could have gotten with much less
hassle.

Ah, now I understand. You WANTED something from Caesar i.e. a consideration, a benefit, and so you willingly entered into a contract with Caesar to obtain those privileges. The bad news is, Caesar enforces those voluntary contracts. Since commercial law is not Law, being contrary to the Law of God, the power of the military is used to enforce all commercial edicts.

Just because I state that fact ^^^^^^ Doesn't mean I ' try to serve two masters.'

The evidence clearly indicates that you, and the vast majority, are indeed serving two masters.

So I get my military ID. I don't have Jesus in mind? I try to obtain my birth
certificate to get my license to drive to work. I don't have Jesus in mind?

Who told you that you "needed" a "license to drive to work"?

To be blunt about it, every bondman of Christ who operates a so-called vehicle is presumed to be acting in the mode and character of a pagan (i.e., in commerce) because he has borne or given no evidence to the contrary. Is this not bearing false witness? In other words, when a man professes to be a follower and ambassador of Christ and yet acts in a manner that tells the whole world that he is a pagan, then he is bearing false witness to the whole world. Can the officer be blamed for writing his traffic ticket in such a case? Obviously not! These Christians honor God with their lips, but their heart is far from Him (Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:8, Mark 7:6).

On the other hand, if you act in the mode and character of a true bondman and ambassador of Christ, there are alternatives to State licensure. And all presumptions are rebuttable. Your activity cannot be of a commercial nature, but limited to only one purpose; ministering for the Lord. This does not mean that you must be a minister "ordained" by men. It means that you live, move, and have your being in Christ; it means you are not doing your own will, but the will of the Father.

There are no gray areas. It’s either, "render unto Caesar" or "render unto God" (Luke 20:25). There are no guarantees or silver bullets available when dealing with Caesar, but there is the Promise of Christ, the Higher Power, for "with men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible."(Matthew 19:26, Mark 10:27, Luke 1:37; 18:27). The shield of faith must be carried at all times. It is not a matter of "getting away with it," it is a matter of honoring the Father first and standing on the Word of God and bringing His truth to them, no matter what the consequences.

There's nothing wrong with being in an automobile, there's nothing evil about that. Even man's law, in their own court cases, admit that there's nothing inherently evil about an automobile; it's the guy behind the wheel. That's where the evil comes from. Also, most people believe that "roads" belong to the government. They don't. Just because the government paves over a way common to all does not make it theirs. After all, if the government comes to your home and paves your dirt driveway, does that now mean the driveway belongs to the government? Of course not. And their own laws confirm that the "roads" belong to the people, not the government.

And you don't know me either.

I don't need to "know" you if you are a born again believer in Christ, as we are already members of the same Body!

I am sorry, but what you say
comes off quite offensive to me, since I have lived in a
situation for over 6 years where I can't even go to the doctor
with my aunt without a note, my grandpa's ID, her ID, and
birth certificate. My grandpa can't go because he has to be on oxygen. I have not whatsoever been 'misled'. I know for a fact
that it would be easier, after sitting in the doctor's office,
and then being told, "We don't have such and such on file, we
can't help you, you will need to go to the hospital."

The spirit behind Caesar (i.e. satan) craves the worship that is rightfully due Christ. But satan can't get the real thing, so he goes for the next best thing, which is to get you to move off your foundation of The Rock and therefore come under his jurisdiction. The endless paperwork and runarounds are there to ensure that you have clearly and voluntarily aligned yourself with the enemy. satan never forced you to enter into his arena, but he WILL en-force those contracts you have voluntarily made with his agent (Caesar).

What I have been illustrating, dannibear, is that your problems have as their root the mixing of the holy with the profane. God is a gentleman; he will honor your free-will choices, whether you make good choices or poor choices. satan is the most subtle beast, which means he is very clever, very sneaky, even beyond your imaginations.

Just because
I state what I know is true about name changing making a simple
request for a legal document harder, doesn't mean I don't
know the the 'true word of God' is.

satan "know what the 'true word of God' is" FAR BETTER than you and I do. Merely "knowing" something does not, of itself, help anyone. We need to stop partaking of the profane things. And to do that, we must first learn what those profane things are. We are not to be ignorant of satan's devices.

People should be more concerned about the well being of a
marriage not a last name.

Because God loves us, the proper naming procedure is laid out in The Word for OUR PROTECTION. It is so much more than just "a last name."

You seem to have a teachable spirit, one who is willing to make changes, when necessary, to move away from the falsehoods and to walk in Truth. There is indeed a better way. I pray that I have not offended you and that you would want to DO the right things, as declared in The Word of God.

Thanks again for responding to my posts.

 

[dannibear]

Who told you that you "needed" a copy of your birth certificate? Certainly, your mother knows you've been born, YOU know you've been born, and your Father in heaven knows you've been born. Now why would you need a "certificate" from Caesar (man's God-less government) to indicate what everyone already knows?
Did you know a birth certificate classifies one as property of the State? This is why, for instance, Child Protective Services can force their way into your home and take your children from you at gunpoint while you lay on the floor kicking and screaming about your so-called "rights."

Did you know that people
need their birth certificate when opening a bank account
to prove that they are the person opening it, and not someone
else, so as not to commit fraud? Did you know that a birth certificate
is needed so that the person isn't lying about their age when
they apply for a license? And actually, no one already knows my
age when I applied for a license. Nor did I expect them to.
In fact, even in school, when I tell people I am a senior, they reply with, "Oh, I thought you were a sophomore." Apparently I look younger than I am.
Although the process of getting my certificate was frustrating
because of my living situation, I got it to prove
that I was at the age to obtain a license.

Look in your wallet for the commercial papers you are carrying. You'll know it's commercial because it will have your Christian name (proper UPPER and lower case letters) perverted into an ALL CAPS format - what is known as a legal fiction. A name spelled in all capital letters is created by Caesar for Caesar's purposes. And it's only created by him when you enter his system. It's never created when you do not enter his system. And it can start as early as the birth certificate.Ah, now I understand. You WANTED something from Caesar i.e. a consideration, a benefit, and so you willingly entered into a contract with Caesar to obtain those privileges. The bad news is, Caesar enforces those voluntary contracts. Since commercial law is not Law, being contrary to the Law of God, the power of the military is used to enforce all commercial edicts.The evidence clearly indicates that you, and the vast majority, are indeed serving two masters.Who told you that you "needed" a "license to drive to work"?

And I do believe that even in the Bible is states to respect the
laws that have been laid. 1 Peter 2:13, Romans 13: 1-7. If the
president were to tell me I can't pray anymore, of course
I wouldn't follow him. Even though God
laid down human government above us, God's law is
still above the government. Acts 5 :29.
If I were told I had to profess that I
don't believe in God to get a license, then guess I am not
getting one. God created government for order, and to
put those who do wrong to justice. When we don't follow
those laws and ordinances that are placed there by the
government, then we disobey God, the one who put it there.
Those laws are to create order and organization. And by
the way, if we didn't have to show this birth certificate
to the authorities when getting for example, a license, we
would have 13 and 14 year olds driving all over the place
when they shouldn't be, which would increase the accident rate.

To be blunt about it, every bondman of Christ who operates a so-called vehicle is presumed to be acting in the mode and character of a pagan (i.e., in commerce) because he has borne or given no evidence to the contrary. Is this not bearing false witness? In other words, when a man professes to be a follower and ambassador of Christ and yet acts in a manner that tells the whole world that he is a pagan, then he is bearing false witness to the whole world. Can the officer be blamed for writing his traffic ticket in such a case? Obviously not! These Christians honor God with their lips, but their heart is far from Him (Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:8, Mark 7:6).

On the other hand, if you act in the mode and character of a true bondman and ambassador of Christ, there are alternatives to State licensure. And all presumptions are rebuttable. Your activity cannot be of a commercial nature, but limited to only one purpose; ministering for the Lord. This does not mean that you must be a minister "ordained" by men. It means that you live, move, and have your being in Christ; it means you are not doing your own will, but the will of the Father.

So are you saying, that if I drive my car to work and to school,
that I am acting like a pagan? And if someone were to ever
give me a ticket, then they are in the right, because I shouldn't
have been driving and 'acting like a pagan' in the first place?
I hope you mean if I were to break the laws that God says
I am to obey on the road. I wouldn't object if I were to get a
ticket, seeing as I were putting lives at stake.

There are no gray areas. It’s either, "render unto Caesar" or "render unto God" (Luke 20:25). There are no guarantees or silver bullets available when dealing with Caesar, but there is the Promise of Christ, the Higher Power, for "with men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible."(Matthew 19:26, Mark 10:27, Luke 1:37; 18:27). The shield of faith must be carried at all times. It is not a matter of "getting away with it," it is a matter of honoring the Father first and standing on the Word of God and bringing His truth to them, no matter what the consequences.

There's nothing wrong with being in an automobile, there's nothing evil about that. Even man's law, in their own court cases, admit that there's nothing inherently evil about an automobile; it's the guy behind the wheel. That's where the evil comes from.

Then please clarify why you state that being in a car is the
equivalent of me acting like a pagan?

The endless paperwork and runarounds are there to ensure that you have clearly and voluntarily aligned yourself with the enemy. satan never forced you to enter into his arena, but he WILL en-force those contracts you have voluntarily made with his agent (Caesar).

I highly doubt that a person like myself, for example, and many others
on this forum who apply for a license to drive and visit their family,
or who apply for a passport to travel for vacation or to visit family
overseas is 'aligned with the enemy.' I wouldn't mind at all though
looking at scripture that states that obeying government laws
and regulations means I am setting myself up to be deceived by satan.

What I have been illustrating, dannibear, is that your problems have as their root the mixing of the holy with the profane. God is a gentleman; he will honor your free-will choices, whether you make good choices or poor choices. satan is the most subtle beast, which means he is very clever, very sneaky, even beyond your imaginations.satan "know what the 'true word of God' is" FAR BETTER than you and I do. Merely "knowing" something does not, of itself, help anyone. We need to stop partaking of the profane things. And to do that, we must first learn what those profane things are. We are not to be ignorant of satan's devices.Because God loves us, the proper naming procedure is laid out in The Word for OUR PROTECTION. It is so much more than just "a last name."

Jesus respected authority. There are numerous verses
about how we should respect authority.
Matthew 17:27, Hebrews 13:17, Titus 3:1, 1 Peter 2:13.

And where is this proper naming procedure listed
in the Bible?

 

[CookieRaider]

Jesus respected authority. There are numerous verses
about how we should respect authority.
Matthew 17:27, Hebrews 13:17, Titus 3:1, 1 Peter 2:13.

And where is this proper naming procedure listed
in the Bible?

I agree. Jesus was the ultimate example of respecting
authority. Imagine America without the president.
I now have a job at a health food store. I can't imagine
my job without my boss. Jesus was the Son of God yet
honored authority. I can't imagine how this country
would go downhill if we didn't have to produce the paperwork
that we do to go to another country. I would think the
defense against terrorism would be useless if we just let anyone
have a passport without proof of who they are. Nehemiah 2:7-9
even mentions someone requesting a passport and protection.
Your on track danni. Don't get all worked up.

I see that this would be a great thread somewhere.
As for the poster of this thread, here is what I say to
you brother:

The early part of history in the Bible shows that
many did not even have a last name. I don't have a
middle name actually, which some find to be weird.
My mother said she wasn't very creative. lol.
Jesus didn't have one either. He was just known as
Jesus....of Nazareth. or Jesus.....son of Mary and Joseph.
The carpenter's son. etc.
So what about name change in general? Well...God
changed names in the Bible. God changed Sarai to Sarah.
Saul, the one who murdered those who believed in Christ,
became apostle Paul. He was the one who wrote most
of the books in the New Testament! So after prayer
and much reading over this, I wouldn't add another
worry or rule to your relationship with Christ.

 

[sojourn4Christ]

the god of this world and all commercial activity

Did you know that people
need their birth certificate when opening a bank account
to prove that they are the person opening it, and not someone
else, so as not to commit fraud?

As God is not in it, there is no love in it. indeed, the entire God-less system is based in fear (usually trauma-based fear).You don't "need" a bank account; it is commercial in nature and Caesar controls all commerce.

...the process of getting my certificate was frustrating...

It's all part of rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's (and not God's).

And I do believe that even in the Bible is states to respect the laws that have been laid.

That would be Lawful authority, not Caesar's codes, rules and regulations.

When we don't follow
those laws and ordinances that are placed there by the
government, then we disobey God, the one who put it there.

This is where you and the majority are deceived. And it doesn't help that the modern bible "per"-versions change the words "higher powers" to "government," thereby removing the distinction that Romans 13 makes in declaring that there is NO legitimate law other than God's.

I hope you mean if I were to break the laws that God says
I am to obey on the road.

And what "laws" would those be? They're not God's! You voluntarily signed on to Caesar's God-less program when you accepted the benefit (e.g. the driver license), therefore you WILL render unto Caesar however he sees fit! If Caesar says you must wear a dunce cap when you "drive," then you will be punished if you refuse. Since you entered into a contract with Caesar when you signed on, therefore unto Caesar you will render.

Then please clarify why you state that being in a car is the
equivalent of me acting like a pagan?

You are acting as a pagan when you "drive" (commercial term) your "vehicle" (commercial term) on the "highway" (commercial term). When you are the partaker of a 'service,' you are engaged in commercial activity.

There are those bondservants of Christ who are committed to pressing the Crown Rights of King Jesus and who are willing to take on the responsibilities related thereto. They are for those who are willing to throw off the 'chains that bind them,' known as 'commercial activity,' 'benefits, privileges and opportunities from a secular world,' and all of the attachments created thereby. Repentance in these areas is essential. They must have the Christian Discernment necessary to hold off the encroachment of 'the powers of the earth.' The ability to do this comes only through Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom, and Perseverance under God, and most importantly, Prayer.

I wouldn't object if I were to get a ticket, seeing as I were putting lives at stake.

The truth of the matter is, you wouldn't have a choice re: a ticket.

I highly doubt that a person like myself, for example, and many others
on this forum who apply for a license to drive and visit their family,
or who apply for a passport to travel for vacation or to visit family
overseas is 'aligned with the enemy.' I wouldn't mind at all though
looking at scripture that states that obeying government laws
and regulations means I am setting myself up to be deceived by satan.

Indeed, it IS a setup. Again, you've fallen in line with the counterfeit government, complete with its form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof. From such, God says, turn away.

I sojourn in my vessel on the common way, sans licenses, number plates, insurance ad nauseum. My three home-birthed children have no birth cert's, no passports, no dubious injections. And we have sojourned internationally recently. With Christ, all things are possible.

Thanks for your candid post.

 

[CookieRaider]

I wonder where the scripture is for any of the statements you make sojourn? I disagree, the age to drive is 16 minimum, that IS a law for example. But with all respect, this is off topic, this isn't what the poster wanted to know. And danni did request to know scripture and you didn't provide that.

 

[dannibear]

I wonder where the scripture is for any of the statements you make sojourn? I disagree, the age to drive is 16 minimum, that IS a law for example. But with all respect, this is off topic, this isn't what the poster wanted to know. And danni did request to know scripture and you didn't provide that.

You are right, my sincere apologies to the poster
of this thread. I know one of the rules of this forum
is to not go off topic. I should have known when
to just let go.

On another note, your post about Jesus is a good point.
Didn't think about that one. Silly me, I was thinking
Jesus....Christ. My mind processed Christ as the last
name.

 

[dannibear]

i am the only male in my family with my last name as well.

My family has an example of this.
My great grandfather was Oscar Meade before marrying
my great grandmother Othello Butler. She was from
Lithuania, and he was from Germany. He had a small
criminal record before coming to America.
When he met my great grandmother, she had changed
him in just the two years they knew each other. She
was well known and liked in her community and church.
Through her, he found out about Christ.
When they married, he wanted to put his criminal record
out of his mind, even though it might still be there.
I don't know how those things work honestly. But
to him, changing his last name to hers was just a refreshing
change for him. All the last name change did for him
was make him feel a little better about putting his name
on a document instead of thinking about his record.
Changing his name didn't mean he lost his place in Heaven.
To him all it did was put some sentimental value on it.

And you know what? He was the last in his family to be a Meade.
My sister and I are the last ones with our last name as well. I
intend to change mine, not because I am the woman, but just
because I never really minded. To me, having my husband's
last name, and the kids with the same last name would just make
me feel like one.

 

[sojourn4Christ]

words matter

This will be my final post in this thread. While it may appear that it has gone off-topic, the reality I have been intimating is that the enemy uses his WORDS to bring us deceptively into bondage. And the groom/bride last-name issue is indeed a target of his.

Men who would be rich, make merchandise out of you with their invented WORDS:

And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you... (2 Peter 2:3)

I also pointed out that the KJV, in Romans 13, uses "the higher powers" in its beautiful description of Lawful authority. It does NOT use the ambiguous catch-all word "government" as the modern privately copyrighted "per"-versions do. (Somebody knows something about WORDS...)

I wonder where the scripture is for any of the statements you make sojourn? I disagree, the age to drive is 16 minimum, that IS a law for example. But with all respect, this is off topic, this isn't what the poster wanted to know. And danni did request to know scripture and you didn't provide that.

I'll give you just one more scripture passage and you can decide if what is being described constitutes God's Lawful government:

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. (Psalm 2:1-5)

Also, authority is only valid to the degree that it comes from the LORD. When the evil are placed in a position of authority, the children of the King are to "resist the devil, and he shall flee from you" (James 4:7).

I disagree, the age to drive is 16 minimum, that IS a law for example.

'Traveling' and 'driving' are purely commercial terms. Therefore, I use the term "exercising my duty of movement on the Common Ways" (rather than driving my vehicle on the highway). As Scripture says, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" (Philippians 4:13). Only in this way can I bring God’s Law and my ambassadorship into a potential situation with the police power.

When you carry a license (which always has a fictitious name spelled in all capital letters on it), you are looked upon by these powers as one of theirs. It is evidence of your status, as a natural person, a resident (commercial terms), and not an ambassador and sojourner in Christ. Also note that a Nom de guerre, a fictitious name, is a ‘traveling name’, meaning you are a ‘resident,’ and under the jurisdiction of the State.

If you 'd like to know more about the deceptions satan's minions use to bring people into his venue and thus under his jurisdiction, you can contact me any time.