Sparky started the disagreement by accusing Soldier ! You should open you're eye's and stop defending Sparky all the time ! Go back and read the post , and show me where Soldier insulted Sparky , or his parents ! Only after Sparky talked about it and and accused Soldier did he call for peace ! You can not accuse a person in open forum , then call for peace ! Sparky and, I guess you 'should both read the whole thread and show me where Soldier made any references to Sparky of his family . Only after he was attacked again by a selected few , did he reply to Sparky ! Stay the course , and don't play favorites with the members ! Mike
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strypes said:
The qoute you used was after Sparky accused Soldier ! Get it right Strypes ! You make yourselfe look bad by not even reading the order the post were made as I asked . But everyone else will ! You do not have to agree with me. But I will not let you beat on members because you are a Moderator ! You and Sparky owe Soldier an appology ! Mike
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Again !!! You do not insult people like Sparky and you both did ,and are still doing ! THEN SAY PEACE ! I will not let you turn this around to make Soldier or myself look like the trouble here . Sparky holds both the wood and the matches ! And you refuse to see the truth in the post ! I am being ciontentious with you because you are being deceptive to get you're own way , and trying to use the scripture after the insult . Again Strypes , get the order of the post right , and then speak the truth about Soldier ! Mike
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It amazes me how easily we are drawn into battle by the enemy. We have to remember, we are individuals and Christ saved us individually, and the Holy Spirit works through us individually. Because we are individuals, we have individual backgrounds with individual experiences. That is why we are a body, made up of individual parts, to form a whole. No matter what the view is about Jehovah Witness' when we respond "defensively" which is what this has become, we fall into a trap.
Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour.
We are to sacrifice our "pride" and need to defend our self, in the way that Christ did.
Jam 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
The trouble we run into on chat sites is the lack of voice inflection, and tone. So each time we type, the reading then inputs the tone and inflection, based on their own individual personality and temperament.
In addition, example of this is, if I was to state, “I lock the door of my home each night, and make sure it is locked all day.” Everyone will "reason" why I do that based on their own needs and understandings. Each person will decide why I should lock the door, or why I should not. Some will say I am paranoid and some will say I am being careful. Why the difference? The answer is experience and temperament. The best thing any of us can do when dealing with any issue in a chat site is to ask for feedback, and clarify that feedback, by repeating the feedback.
I personally do not see any "accusations" only misunderstanding and misinterpretation. We can all stop trying to defend our "honor" and realize that we have no honor apart from Christ. We are all sinners saved by grace.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Praise God that we can rejoice in the Gift of God through Jesus Christ.
We should all remember and apply what Paul wrote to Timothy.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
And finally our Savior tells us:
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
God Bless you all
In Christ Service,
Your Pastor T
Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour.
We are to sacrifice our "pride" and need to defend our self, in the way that Christ did.
Jam 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
The trouble we run into on chat sites is the lack of voice inflection, and tone. So each time we type, the reading then inputs the tone and inflection, based on their own individual personality and temperament.
In addition, example of this is, if I was to state, “I lock the door of my home each night, and make sure it is locked all day.” Everyone will "reason" why I do that based on their own needs and understandings. Each person will decide why I should lock the door, or why I should not. Some will say I am paranoid and some will say I am being careful. Why the difference? The answer is experience and temperament. The best thing any of us can do when dealing with any issue in a chat site is to ask for feedback, and clarify that feedback, by repeating the feedback.
I personally do not see any "accusations" only misunderstanding and misinterpretation. We can all stop trying to defend our "honor" and realize that we have no honor apart from Christ. We are all sinners saved by grace.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Praise God that we can rejoice in the Gift of God through Jesus Christ.
We should all remember and apply what Paul wrote to Timothy.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
And finally our Savior tells us:
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
God Bless you all
In Christ Service,
Your Pastor T
Chad said:
I unreservedly apologise to you Soldier of God.My spiritual life to date has been one of somewhat confusion.I have tried to unlearn many things i have been taught and start anew,it is a very hard thing to do.Your original post referred to the witnesses as being evil,im sorry it was something i jus could not let go.I feel God has used me throughout my life in various ways,my ministry was a hard and often thankless task but i did it in service to him anyway.I took your comments on a personal level.I do not consider myself or my family to have ever been evil and the work i have done to be without worth.I tell you these things so as you understand my reaction and do not judge me too harshly because of it.Again i apologise,i wish no ill-feeling to any of my brothers here.
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I'm glad your all apologizing to each other. That is what GOD wants us to do, Jesus being our example - forgive, love.
I apologize for banning by the dozens per day. (joke)
I hope you all have a blessed Memorial holiday (for the US residents at least) and blessed (for Zion future residents
I apologize for banning by the dozens per day. (joke)
I hope you all have a blessed Memorial holiday (for the US residents at least) and blessed (for Zion future residents
sparky said:
1st, my I say something about no spoiled tree bears fruit...or something to that effect. (I don't have my Bible with me at work...sorry) Please feel free (inclined even) to provide the scripture. With that in mind understand that God knows your heart, and works you have done for him do not go unnoticed. The opposite is true also. The EVIL works that have been done in HIS name doesn't change the judgement for those works. The inquisition and crusades come to mind. They were a perversion of scripture in his name, but were evil none the less, and will be judged as such.
Secondly, I don't think anyone believes, or has said that you or your parents are evil. In fact I think what is being said here is that they have been decieved. As many millions have and will be. It's not difficult to be decieved. Truth is NOT relative. Not in Gods word anyway. We do however live in a world where truth is relative, and many bring that into the word of God unknowingly.
I believe that everyone in this post had good intentions. I would not want anyone to speak poorly of my parents, nor of my beliefs, nor of my God. And I suppose I would also be inclined to deffend, due to the "fight or flight" reflex. Clearly, doctines held true by Whitnesses are not supported by scripture, and we as Christians should pray for discernment on behalf of Whitnesses, not critisizing them. They are our brothers and sisters and we should treat them as such. Christ would, would he not? This goes for Muslims, Masons and everyone else mentioned here.
Remember, it is the leadership that may or may not be evil. (I don't know, haven't studied, and can't say) It is the fact that much of the disisions are done in secret even from its' followers that leads me to believe that they are beind willfuly decieved, and need our help and prayers. Not to derail this thread, but think about this...
Do you think that EVERY, and I mean WITHOUT EXCEPTION, every German soldier was EVIL? Do you think they ALL woke up one day and decided to kill all Jews, gypsies, and such. So one day everything was fair and just in the world, but today, "we must kill all Jews" comes out of the mouths of EVERY German soldier all on the same day at the same time? I think not. I believe that many and even MOST were simply decived into believing that this was good. It was the leadership that was evil. This is not to say they have an excuse. They should have known better, but then I'd have to wonder...did they know the REAL word? They didn't know the counterfiet did they?
I think it is safe to say that not every American (soldier or citizen) agrees with the war in Iraq. So someone is rite and some are wrong, but they all are following orders from superiors who will (and writely so) take the flak for wrong desisions.
God bless you all, and have a safe Holliday!
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I think everyone is unique in their own way and right, by GOD's creation. That includes the way they praise, preach, view and feel in their hearts. Its a blend of colors per se. I believe that to a certain degree this is ok - but always must be justified and backed by Scripture.
Now some say "modern day" bible is not good or not as genuine as it was. I believe that GOD does protect His Word for sure but not intefere with those who purposely go against Him (you know who). He will judge them on that very nervious day - White Throne Judgement.
We also need to remember that each one of are typing online. Would feel or react the same face to face? I say we'd be more humble and patient. The tone online is harder to catch according to the actual person's intentional tone than in person. We also need to remember that we are all from around the world, different backgrounds, walks of life, etc. Keep this in mind. We do not know each other to well but know each other as part of the Body of Christ.
Now some say "modern day" bible is not good or not as genuine as it was. I believe that GOD does protect His Word for sure but not intefere with those who purposely go against Him (you know who). He will judge them on that very nervious day - White Throne Judgement.
We also need to remember that each one of are typing online. Would feel or react the same face to face? I say we'd be more humble and patient. The tone online is harder to catch according to the actual person's intentional tone than in person. We also need to remember that we are all from around the world, different backgrounds, walks of life, etc. Keep this in mind. We do not know each other to well but know each other as part of the Body of Christ.
