Hierarchy & Unity premise

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No quite the contrary.
Based off of verse 2 in that same Chapter; I believe if God asked the Son for rent; The Son would reply "How much?"

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I don't see that as the Father asking the Son for rent when the Son belongs there and thus He lives there as God. As per in relation to our future residence, that is hardly rent when we shall inherit the mansion bought and paid for by Him. Indeed, Jesus building mansions for us to live with God is God preparing a place for us to live with Him.

 

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Well, this is where I deviate from the man made doctrine of the Trinity where in that modified Nicene creed, they began the man made unBiblical practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

The Holy Spirit is God but by His words, He is sent to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) THRU us ( John 15:27 ); He cannot lead believers to speak of Himself in seeking His own glory in worship.

Those who come to God the Father in worship; no matter where they are, can only come to Him by the only way of the Son as Jesus meant what He has said especially to be applied in worship John 14:6 To climb up around the Son in any other way like by way of the Holy Spirit or by way of the name of the "Trinity" is not according to the will of the Father as per John 10:1 because the only way to honor the Father is by honoring the Son in worship John 5:23. The moment you stop honoring the Son, you are no longer honoring the Father; Since the Holy Spirit is sent to honor the Son by testifying of Him to glorify Him THRU US, then that goes beyond just missionary outreach, but in prayer, fellowship, & worship.

Jesus warned about those who would broaden the way in Matthew 7:13-14 and the solution is to narrow the way back to the straight gate in Luke 13:24 Holy rollers that boast of the Holy Spirit falling on believers in these movements of the spirit like slain in the spirit and holy laughter, are those that profess Him by signs and lying wonders in His name but are in iniquity for glorifying the movements of the spirit in His name when they are actually glorifying the visitations of the spirit of the antichrist in Matthew 7:21-23 for which many fall by in Matthew 7:24-27. This also include sensing what they believe is His Presence in the worship place when they hold communion or when receiving Him per the Eucharist in the Mass as eating and drinking in His Presence in Luke 13:25-30 for why those professing Him will be left behind also.

So in a nut shell, the real indwelling Holy Spirit as a Witness thru us where we also bear the same witness so that when we are preaching the gospel all by ourselves... the Holy Spirit's witness coupled with ours is true in any missionary outreach and so in order for our witness to be true in worship, the Holy Spirit cannot be included in that worship of the Son with the Father, because that witness in worship cannot be true when it is not led by the Spirit of God to say. Only the spirits of the antichrist would try to seduce believers to take their eyes off of the Son in worship in seeking their visitations in the worship place whereby this iniquity of broadening the way in the worship place in coming to God the Father by comes from.


Have you noticed how Pentecostal/Charismatics/Catholics will believe that slain in the spirit is not of the Lord, but they believe in the same rudiment of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit in the worship place and some believe they can receive the Holy Spirit again after a sign of tongues.. and even worse.. believe they can still continue to receive Him again and again and again after other signs? They prayed to the Holy Spirit, and that happens. Why would God allow that to happen? Because God the Father said there is only one way to approach Him and that is by the only way of the Son. He had His Son declare His words and yet we all seem to have been influenced by that "ecumenical creed" as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles which is the fruit of the false prophet Matthew 7:13-17 So mystery Babylon happened at the modified Nicene creed for why tongues were not coming with interpretation & thus assumed as a prayer language when it was not nor what they had received apart from salvation as being the Holy Spirit.

I digress... The Holy Spirit is God but because of His words and the Father's will, His role is to honor the Son by tetsifying of the Son in seeking His glory and by Him, the glory of God the Father. John 13:31-32 cites the only way God is glorified is by glorifying the Son Whom is God. The glory of the Son was His obedience to go to the cross and His resurrection is the glory of God and His ascension into Heaven is God's way provided since God is bringing us back to God the Father.

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You believe in One God? One God in two persons, or One God in three persons?

 

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I don't see that as the Father asking the Son for rent when the Son belongs there and thus He lives there as God. As per in relation to our future residence, that is hardly rent when we shall inherit the mansion bought and paid for by Him. Indeed, Jesus building mansions for us to live with God is God preparing a place for us to live with Him.

Does the owner of a mansion not have a right to charge rent if he or she chooses?
Is not God or The Father the owner of said Mansions?
Is not the Father what one would call Landlord ?
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Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Also why did the Son make distinction between God and himself in verse 1?

 

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You believe in One God? One God in two persons, or One God in three persons?

I believe in One God in Three Persons, but the Father's will is given in His words spoken by His Son for why the doctrine of the Trinity should not be applied as meaning to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

That is why all invitations in coming to God the Father is by coming to the Son for life; not to the Holy Spirit. It is by coming to the Son, in believing in Him, is how we receive the Son as eternal life; thus the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father. So not only the Son dwells in us, and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, but the Father does as well as God is within us in Three Persons.

 

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Does the owner of a mansion not have a right to charge rent if he or she chooses?
Is not God or The Father the owner of said Mansions?
Is not the Father what one would call Landlord ?
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Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Also why did the Son make distinction between God and himself in verse 1?

The message you receive in this clip is for you alone if you decide to watch it.

Let me put it to you in this way; when you get to Heaven, can you be evicted? If not, then why are you applying the rent analogy for?

 

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Let me put it to you in this way; when you get to Heaven, can you be evicted? If not, then why are you applying the rent analogy for?

Fallen Angels were evicted.
If you being bad then one would not find it unreasonable for the owner to evict you.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

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Let me put it this way then.

Does the owner of a mansion not establish the rules?
Is their not house-rules that need be abideth by concerning the Master of said House / Mansion?
Who is the Master of such house and the only True God?

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

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Fallen Angels were evicted.
If you being bad then one would not find it unreasonable for the owner to evict you.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

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Let me put it this way then.

Does the owner of a mansion not establish the rules?
Is their not house-rules that need be abideth by concerning the Master of said House / Mansion?
Who is the Master of such house and the only True God?

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 6:39-40 proves no saved believer once He brings into Heaven, can ever be evicted.

Those not abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes will be evicted, but they are still in His House as vessels unto dishonor whereby their inheritance will not be in the City of God, but in the kingdom of God on earth after the great tribulation. 2 Timothy 2:20 Since they do not have the power of the second death over them as per Revelation 20:6 , then they will never be evicted. See?

 

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John 6:39-40 proves no saved believer once He brings into Heaven, can ever be evicted.

Those not abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes will be evicted, but they are still in His House as vessels unto dishonor whereby their inheritance will not be in the City of God, but in the kingdom of God on earth after the great tribulation. 2 Timothy 2:20 Since they do not have the power of the second death over them as per Revelation 20:6 , then they will never be evicted. See?

Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

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Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Mat 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

The Lord = Only God
Our Lord= Only begotten of God who declared him; firstborn of all creation which started the beginning of all creation. Prior to the beginning Christ did not exist.

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Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? = Saith The Lord not our Lord but The Lord. Also notice The Lord is speaking of himself


Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. =Ancient of Day is he who preceded days.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: = Keyword "Firstborn & every creature/creation

Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. = Our Lord is from the beginning of days "hope this doesn't confuse"

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? = " not what is our names; Distinction between the Creator and Firstborn of Creation; also Son not accredited with Creation because it was of and authorized of The Lord; only his will done; only his authority executed"

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

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Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Those saints found not abiding in Him are excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven but they still have His seal and still part of His kingdom. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House as they are the ones that did not depart from iniquity and thus found in iniquity at the time Jesus had come as the Bridegroom. Their inheritance is of the earth see verse 20 of; 2 Timothy 2:18-21 That is why even former believers are called to depart from iniquity in order to be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House in having that mansion in that city of God in Heaven at the pre great trib rapture event.

 

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Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Mat 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

The Lord = Only God
Our Lord= Only begotten of God who declared him; firstborn of all creation which started the beginning of all creation. Prior to the beginning Christ did not exist.

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Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? = Saith The Lord not our Lord but The Lord. Also notice The Lord is speaking of himself


Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. =Ancient of Day is he who preceded days.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: = Keyword "Firstborn & every creature/creation

Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. = Our Lord is from the beginning of days "hope this doesn't confuse"

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? = " not what is our names; Distinction between the Creator and Firstborn of Creation; also Son not accredited with Creation because it was of and authorized of The Lord; only his will done; only his authority executed"

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

I would love to share all scripture testifying to the deity of Christ, but the Lord wants me to give you the scripture you had provided earlier to chew on.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Now compare with the scripture in the N.T. regarding where the Son is on the right hand of God.

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Colossians 3:1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

The only way your reference can be true is by either denying Jesus as God the Saviour as being at the right hand of God the Father or you acknowledge that Jesus is God all along, existing with the Father & the Holy Spirit as the One God. It is a hard saying for you, but you need to go over the ramification of Isaiah 43:10-11 with Him because you will die in your sins if you do not believe Jesus is God.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

 

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I would love to share all scripture testifying to the deity of Christ, but the Lord wants me to give you the scripture you had provided earlier to chew on.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Now compare with the scripture in the N.T. regarding where the Son is on the right hand of God.

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Colossians 3:1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

The only way your reference can be true is by either denying Jesus as God the Saviour as being at the right hand of God the Father or you acknowledge that Jesus is God all along, existing with the Father & the Holy Spirit as the One God. It is a hard saying for you, but you need to go over the ramification of Isaiah 43:10-11 with Him because you will die in your sins if you do not believe Jesus is God.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Definition of RIGHT-HAND MAN

Definition of right-hand man

: a very important assistant who helps someone do a job

 

[Ivar]

Those saints found not abiding in Him are excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven but they still have His seal and still part of His kingdom. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House as they are the ones that did not depart from iniquity and thus found in iniquity at the time Jesus had come as the Bridegroom. Their inheritance is of the earth see verse 20 of; 2 Timothy 2:18-21 That is why even former believers are called to depart from iniquity in order to be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House in having that mansion in that city of God in Heaven at the pre great trib rapture event.

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2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

 

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Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Definition of RIGHT-HAND MAN

Definition of right-hand man

: a very important assistant who helps someone do a job

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

This portion of scripture reproves several of your points of view, brother.

Jesus was not created at the beginning of Creation for how you are applying firstborn of creation to mean, and ....

There is no saviour beside God, but yet countless scripture testifies that Jesus Christ is the Saviour Whom is at the right hand of God the Father.

You need to stop applying man's definition and man's wisdom and ask Him for His wisdom.

Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Pray right now, brother .

 

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Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Why is me used and not us?
What evidence do you have that Isa 43:10 is talking about Christ and not solely the Ancient of Days?
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Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Already been broken down

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
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That is why The Son came in the fathers name.
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Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Those that overcometh will receive The Son's new name

 

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You can't use a man's dictionary; you have to discern with Him by how it is applied in His words without opposing anything else said about the Son of God in regards to His deity.

Translators use Man's dictionary.
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Does it not say God is invisible? Has prior scriptures not said No Man hath seen God At Any Time ?
Once again; what is firstborn of every creature / all creation?
Do you have a father in the earth? Does he not have a firstborn?
Who precedes who A Father or A Son?
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Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

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2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Then feel free to explain why there are 2 kinds of vessels in His House whereby the call to depart from iniquity given even to former believers, is how one is received as a vessel unto honor, thereby indicating the vessels unto dishonor that are in His House are the ones that did not depart from iniquity even though they are still in His House? 2 Timothy 2:18-21

That is why God is judging His House first at the pre great trib rapture event as per 1 Peter 4:17 as warned by Jesus Christ in Luke 12:40-49 and that is why God is warning the church at Thyatira to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation where they shall be judged by their works with death. Revelation 2:18-25

Many are called... but few are chosen... many are saved, but few will be found running that race by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin for abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes. John 15:1-8 & John 15:16

There is the fold of sheep that follow His voice that will be received and then there is a fold of sheep that follow the stranger's voice that He MUST bring afterwards as they will be of the one fold and one shepherd in hearing the voice of the King of kings literally. John 10:1-16

So those who live by faith in Him and all His promises to us are the godly that will be delivered out of temptations whereas those who resort to their own powers or chase after other gods, will not be, unless the Lord delivers them from their error to live by faith in Him alone finally; Hebrews 11:6

 

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Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Why is me used and not us?
What evidence do you have that Isa 43:10 is talking about Christ and not solely the Ancient of Days?
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Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Already been broken down

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
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That is why The Son came in the fathers name.
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Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Those that overcometh will receive The Son's new name

You have to discern Genesis 1:26 for why God spoke the request to create man in the plural sense as in "Let US make man in OUR image" for when He performed the act singularly as the One God in the next verse; Genesis 1:27

When you do that, you can discern how the Son is speaking as the One God, especially when to make anything He says true, He is speaking as the Triune God with Two other Witnesses backing His word. See? John 8:17

 

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You have to discern Genesis 1:26 for why God spoke the request to create man in the plural sense as in "Let US make man in OUR image" for when He performed the act singularly as the One God in the next verse; Genesis 1:27

When you do that, you can discern how the Son is speaking as the One God, especially when to make anything He says true, He is speaking as the Triune God with Two other Witnesses backing His word. See? John 8:17

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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Are you saying that because God said "Let us" that everyone he was talking to is God as himself?

 

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Translators use Man's dictionary.
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Does it not say God is invisible? Has prior scriptures not said No Man hath seen God At Any Time ?

Scripture testify to man not seeing God the Father at any time, except Jesus, but man has seen God.

To keep this post shorter see the scripture at this link to this thread;

Jesus The God That Men Had Seen In The O.T.

Once again; what is firstborn of every creature / all creation?
Do you have a father in the earth? Does he not have a firstborn?
Who precedes who A Father or A Son?

Discern what the Son is the firstborn of; of the human race or...? Creation... as in all of creation.

So the firstborn of all creation signifies where all creation comes from; the Creator.

The analogy you applied towards father & son is not applicable when the Son is the firstborn of all creation where the first chapter of John testifies that all of creation came by the Word of God.

I understand your point of fiew but you are only exceeding beyond what is written and applying His words wrongly at the expense of other scripture plainly testifying to the deity of Jesus Christ. Scripture cannot go against scripture and the only way you know you have derived a correct teaching from scripture is when it does not run contrary to what other scripture plainly states. References you use to declare God the Father greater than Jesus does not in any way deny the scripture that Jesus is God as well.

The complete picture is that within that Triune God, the Father's will be done, and the Son being the Son is obedient to the Father and thus the Spirit of God cannot deny Himself in being the Spirit of as being in complete agreement with the Father and now the Son since the Father has handed all power to His Son until such a time when the Kingdom of Heaven is complete and Satan, his angels, hades, death, & anyone not written in the Book of life is cast into the lake of fire forever when the Son gives the Kingdom back to the Father.

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Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The Father has an image too within that Godhead and one day we will not need Jesus to ask Him for us for the Father loves us and He will shew Him openly to us that we can ask Him directly.

John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Jesus came out from God and therefore He is God. May God the Father reveal His Son to you as God so that you may believe in Him and not die in your sins.