How Old Is the Universe? Same Age as the Earth; About 6,000 years

[Waggles]

I have a question . After Cain was told to leave. Who were the people he joined?

Those who were created before Adam and Eve were formed ...
Genesis 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

Cain did nor marry his sister - in fact in scripture there was no sister to marry as the next to be born, Seth, came after Cain had departed ...
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

 

[MedicBravo]

Those who were created before Adam and Eve were formed ...
Genesis 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

Cain did nor marry his sister - in fact in scripture there was no sister to marry as the next to be born, Seth, came after Cain had departed ...
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

You are wrong as usual.
The Bible doesn't name every single thing. If that's your only POV then you' have a highly flawed idea of God, the Bible and human history.
I've stated what was done from inference. Police, military, and countless others have been doing it for most of human history.
What is said and not said.
What is named and not named.
Who is named and not named.
The Bible does no state God created any humans himself besides Adam and Eve. Therefore, they had a lot of kids who had a lot of kids and so on. They did marry and sister or cousin is irrelevant.
How did those other people appear and make those places?
God said mankind started at Eden and it was only after they got kicked out they had any children.
I've stated the most factual and logical inferences from the Bible. If you can't understand that's on you.

 

[Bill]

Those who were created before Adam and Eve were formed ...
Genesis 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

Cain did nor marry his sister - in fact in scripture there was no sister to marry as the next to be born, Seth, came after Cain had departed ...
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

You are right , Cain went to the land of Nod and settled with thier people .

God created . And eden was very specific , the beginning . Adam and eve were the first. Doesnt mean they were the only people created. Remember Adam lived a very long time. Doesnt mean God did not create others too

( im writing this more for all who read, not just yourself )

We Christians get so lost with Adam and Eve , that we forget, God created

 

[GodB4Us]

Only in the minds of men

Certainly , God could create everything in six days, six minutes, six instantlies. But knowing how God works , He likes to take His sweet ol' time. For an Eternal Being i think its older than our understanding.

We forget Creation is not evolution. And just because the earth / universe has walked though billions on years . God has never stopped creating. Every snowflake, every plant , every newborn child are all new creations.

Taking in the consideration that man was created as an adult as well as other living things to take care of the impending young, even plant life were bearing seeds and fruits on day 3, one has to consider that God created a maturity to the universe on the fourth day rather than the actual time for the heavens to be created per the normal laws of the already established universe from man's perspective.

 

[GodB4Us]

I don't assume anything.
People have been saying 6000 years for so long that everything is older than that but nowhere near half a mil.

Again, I point to the genealogy in the O.T. as well as the N.T. as confirmation of that genealogy to determine the approximate age of the earth and the universe to be about 6,000 years.

What do you point to, to even suggest way more than 6.000 years from the Bible? Or are you going on the premise that the Bible was written by men rather than by the Holy Ghost on how old everything is and that we should go by how we measure time now like by how fast the speed of light is and how long it takes for a certain point of light from deep space to reach or be seen by earth??

 

[Brad Huber]

A lot of assumptions here, and put forward as supposedly the only logical thing. You all have the mind of, and logic of man, which like man himself is flawed and broken from the fall. Why cant you accept that you dont know the correct way and put it aside. Why must you put God in a box to fit your logic patterns?

 

[Bill]

Taking in the consideration that man was created as an adult as well as other living things to take care of the impending young, even plant life were bearing seeds and fruits on day 3, one has to consider that God created a maturity to the universe on the fourth day rather than the actual time for the heavens to be created per the normal laws of the already established universe from man's perspective.

To be honest all the conjecture and theories we all come up with is all who knows

We can find out the truth when we get to heaven and by that time I don't think it'll really matter one way or the other because all we're going to do is Marvel at the Creator

 

[GodB4Us]

A lot of assumptions here, and put forward as supposedly the only logical thing. You all have the mind of, and logic of man, which like man himself is flawed and broken from the fall. Why cant you accept that you dont know the correct way and put it aside. Why must you put God in a box to fit your logic patterns?

You had posted "You all..." and so I am assuming you are addressing every one in the thread?

Well, for me, I go by the Word of God i.e. the scripture so as to remove any assumptions made by man as well as the assumptions made by that false science, the evolution theory.

Granted, there are some assumptions made in the Bible, but I do not apply the ones that doubts what is plainly written as Jesus did affirm the Bible as the scripture as the word of God that cannot be broken in defense of His deity.

John 10:130 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Since Jesus referred to scripture as the truth, then by the scripture, we can ascertain the age of the earth and the universe by the genealogy that is given.

 

[GodB4Us]

To be honest all the conjecture and theories we all come up with is all who knows

We can find out the truth when we get to heaven and by that time I don't think it'll really matter one way or the other because all we're going to do is Marvel at the Creator

Well it s true that we will all know ne day the truth but we can know the truth now in according to His words.

Why is it necessary now? There is a pastor that does not believe in God any more because of the evolution theory. If he still does not believe in Him, I know not but back then when I was working with his son at a job, he had shared that family secret and how it bothered him and his mother. I left "The Collapse of Evolution" by Scott Huse at his home anonymously and hoped for the best.

So it does matter now.

I even had come across a former class mate that stopped believing in the Bible & Jesus altogether and he had left the Catholic Church & became a Buddhist because of the evolution theory. Fortunately the Lord used me to see the evolution theory as a false science and he believed in Him once more, but we had to part ways since he went back to the Catholic Church and did not see the necessity to narrow his focus on the Son as led by the Spirit to do and not have the Holy Spirit in focus at all when it comes to worship, fellowship or prayer in order to avoid the spirit of the antichrist that can come in and steal the spotlight even further away from the Son to lure them in chasing after them to receive for a sign.

I digress.

Anyway, there is an importance of going before that throne of grace for wisdom in understanding His words in Genesis as well as not see Noah's Ark as just a story as many scoffers do today especially when Jesus referred to that and Sodom & Gomorrah as real live judgments from God hat had happened in history for why believers are warned to be ready & be willing to go and not be desiring something from their lives to take with them or else be left behind.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

 

[Bill]

Well it s true that we will all know ne day the truth but we can know the truth now in according to His words.

Why is it necessary now? There is a pastor that does not believe in God any more because of the evolution theory. If he still does not believe in Him, I know not but back then when I was working with his son at a job, he had shared that family secret and how it bothered him and his mother. I left "The Collapse of Evolution" by Scott Huse at his home anonymously and hoped for the best.

So it does matter now.

I even had come across a former class mate that stopped believing in the Bible & Jesus altogether and he had left the Catholic Church & became a Buddhist because of the evolution theory. Fortunately the Lord used me to see the evolution theory as a false science and he believed in Him once more, but we had to part ways since he went back to the Catholic Church and did not see the necessity to narrow his focus on the Son as led by the Spirit to do and not have the Holy Spirit in focus at all when it comes to worship, fellowship or prayer in order to avoid the spirit of the antichrist that can come in and steal the spotlight even further away from the Son to lure them in chasing after them to receive for a sign.

I digress.

Anyway, there is an importance of going before that throne of grace for wisdom in understanding His words in Genesis as well as not see Noah's Ark as just a story as many scoffers do today especially when Jesus referred to that and Sodom & Gomorrah as real live judgments from God hat had happened in history for why believers are warned to be ready & be willing to go and not be desiring something from their lives to take with them or else be left behind.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

If you jump to the conclusion that it's only one way that in which God created the world then of course you're going to get a negative reaction from anybody that wants to be Christian using normal thinking.

God didn't create us to be stupid Andy created us to have faith as well. Science is not there to contend against God but to prove the existence of God. Any microbiologist will tell you this is true it's why the scientific Community will not accept microbiology as a science.

The theory of evolution is basically that the simple life form is it the beginning and the more complex life forms evolve as time goes on

In microbiology they will tell you it's just the opposite. And there are other problems with the theory of evolution when it comes to microbiology that is if evolution is such a case then why aren't we having tree trunks growing out of our arms instead of skin continuously growing new skin when you have a cut.

Are a number of different factors that regular scientists who believe in evolution do not bother to look at when it comes to the truth versus Evolution that is the DNA does not change and there are simple facts of science in the micro levels that cannot change either.

There are simple things that can be added or removed in the process of going from a parent to a child like your eye color or your hair color or skin pigmentation and things like that but as far as the actual structure of a bean your DNA won't change.

So even though there are things that are similar like some dinosaurs are similar to birds the DNA of dinosaurs for instance cannot turn into a bird that's just retarded.

There are some things like evolving like in some plant species as an example and this is kind of interesting in my personal opinion your everyday grass and ***** willows actually have a lot in common it all depends on how much water saturates the root. If you have grass on your front lawn and it goes under water for a couple years you're going to end up with a front lawn full of ***** Willows . And if you live on a lake where it's filled with Willows and it dries up in a few years you're going to have nothing but grass.

Plants tend to evolve to the condition that they live in.

science can be a wonderful tool to exploring the universe of God's creation

when we look at God we have to look at him as a circle because of circle is infinite it has no beginning and no end. So when people were asking the profit how long is a day to God and the profit responded it is like a thousand years he is not actually saying that the day is a thousand years he's just trying to say there is no time frame. How can you possibly make a time frame for something that's eternal

 

[Waggles]

The Bible doesn't name every single thing. If that's your only POV then you' have a highly flawed idea of God, the Bible and human history.

No that is your fault, not mine.

 

[Waggles]

The Bible does no state God created any humans himself besides Adam and Eve.

Yes it does - Genesis 1:26-28
otherwise YEC must rely on evolution to explain the development of the various human races/types that are present in the world today.
And human history itself is older than 6,000 years.

 

[Brad Huber]

On the first day, God created the heavens and the earth. A day to us is the time it takes the earth to revolve around completely. Since the earth was without form at that time, and again, making assumptions about what it looked like is grasping at straws, what if a day then was how long it took for the sun to revolve around the galaxy, the standard for what a day consists of isnt put down for us to point to specifically. All I am saying is, it doesnt matter the exact time, the point of scripture is to be a guidebook, not a technical manual.

 

[Brad Huber]

Just like how Jesus says only God the Father knows the day and the hour, and yet, its usually one of the big things christians speculate and even are adamant that scripture proves them more right than others. Can anyone here see its pride of self that causes this?

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Those who were created before Adam and Eve were formed ...

Error Alert!

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

If you note, the very beginning of creation was the start of the first day by its evening and morning that day. That can only be a 24 hour period,

Actually there are 12 hours in “a day”
John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.”

Keep in mind God divided the Light from the darkness.

 

[GodB4Us]

Actually there are 12 hours in “a day”
John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.”

Keep in mind God divided the Light from the darkness.

But it is written there was evening and morning the first day and every day so inferring night and day for the 24 hour day from sunset to sunset.

 

[Waggles]

Genesis 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
DAY > H3117 > yôm
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day’s journey
1c) days, lifetime (plural)
1d) time, period (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow
Part of Speech: noun masculine from an unused root meaning 'to be hot'

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

But it is written there was evening and morning the first day and every day so inferring night and day for the 24 hour day from sunset to sunset.

24 hours is morning to morning, or sunset to sunset. Morning to evening is 12 hours of light in a day as Jesus said.

 

[GodB4Us]

Genesis 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
DAY > H3117 > yôm
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day’s journey
1c) days, lifetime (plural)
1d) time, period (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow
Part of Speech: noun masculine from an unused root meaning 'to be hot'

So you believe now that the day was created on the first day of creation being a 24 hour day as there was evening and morning that day and every day?