Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!
  • Welcome to Talk Jesus Christian Forums

    Celebrating 20 Years!

    A bible based, Jesus Christ centered community.

    Register Log In

How to get into heaven?

Status
Not open for further replies.
So lentz that is why I have been trying to teach people here, and in many other ways about some of what Jesus and our Father has taught me.

Some very important things that the blind has torn out of Jesus teachings are the Temple of God within, I have also been shown many things about its function on earth and in heaven. To be able to see that, I had to see with the eye, so Jesus helped me clean and heal the eye, He also showed me how to clean, and helped me clean until the bottom of the pile the sin of Adam, to repent from that sin, to ask for Gods help to destroy it May grant us to return to heaven,

Because it was that sin and Eves sin that drove humanity out, if we are accepted, we are accepted a lost son that returned to Father.

All these things are mentioned in the bible, for someone who has experienced them like me it is usually totally clear what they mean, and when not Jesus and our Father instructed me.

I can know for example exactly what John means, and do testify like Him that all who knows the truth, knows and loves the Chosen ladies and their babies:

"1 The elder,

To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:"
 
So lentz that is why I have been trying to teach people here, and in many other ways about some of what Jesus and our Father has taught me.

Some very important things that the blind has torn out of Jesus teachings are the Temple of God within, I have also been shown many things about its function on earth and in heaven. To be able to see that, I had to see with the eye, so Jesus helped me clean and heal the eye, He also showed me how to clean, and helped me clean until the bottom of the pile the sin of Adam, to repent from that sin, to ask for Gods help to destroy it May grant us to return to heaven,

Because it was that sin and Eves sin that drove humanity out, if we are accepted, we are accepted a lost son that returned to Father.

All these things are mentioned in the bible, for someone who has experienced them like me it is usually totally clear what they mean, and when not Jesus and our Father instructed me.

I can know for example exactly what John means, and do testify like Him that all who knows the truth, knows and loves the Chosen ladies and their babies:

"1 The elder,

To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:"

And you reckon you know more than anyone else?
About John and the Lady and such?
Sorry to hear about your eye trouble. Maybe try some eye drops would help.
 
It did not come from me, I knew almost nothing of what Jesus and our Father taught me before they did, but they passed on a lot of knowledge to me.

Anyway I can clearly hear you are not one of the genuinely interested, it is better for all if we stop writing.
 
How do we know we get into heaven? because we have been born again, we are a new creation the old has passed away. what does that mean. You should be a different person then you were before you met Jesus, you should see the new heart and spirit the Lord has given you, and you should be bearing fruit to please our heavenly father.

If we say yes I believe and think that's all to it you are in trouble. we need to be changed.

heard a great message the other day, the preacher is very worried about the American church, they all know how to act like a christians, they go to church, they go to bible study, but they have not been born again, they do not hunger the word of God, they want a easy comfortable life. They will miss church in a heart beat for a good foot ball game, they know more about the football players then they do the apostles. Their treasure is the retirement fund they build up. The Luke warm are alive and many in the American church. they care more about fellowship at the "game" then they do one on one time with God.

Many deceived people think they are going to heaven because they go to church, or they believe, or they read the Bible, or because they are nice people,,, you need to be born again, you need to be changed. Has Jesus broken the chains of sin that once enslaved you?
 
If someone had to ask you what they need to do to get into heaven, what would you say?

Jesus said the following:

Matt 19:16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself. 20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” 27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” 28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

Jesus's statement above is summarized in Matt 16:24 'Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me'
Then in the OT we read that God will not despise the following persons, Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.

IE, To get into heaven, we need to repent of our sins and follow God's commandments. Repentance needs to be 100% sincere and we need to actively test our faith by examining ourselves to be in Christ 2 Cor 13:5. IE To not have other gods before Him. IE To be showing the fruits of the Spirit.

After being a Christian and studying the bible now for almost twenty five years, I would propose that the line to the unsaved should be as simple as ''repent of your sins''. The difference between people in heaven and hell is that those in heaven will be repentant sinners and those in hell will be unrepentant sinners.

As Jesus says in Luke 5:32 'I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.'
Answer.
If someone had to ask you what they need to do to get into heaven, what would you say?

Jesus said the following:

Matt 19:16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself. 20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” 27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” 28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

Jesus's statement above is summarized in Matt 16:24 'Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me'
Then in the OT we read that God will not despise the following persons, Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.

IE, To get into heaven, we need to repent of our sins and follow God's commandments. Repentance needs to be 100% sincere and we need to actively test our faith by examining ourselves to be in Christ 2 Cor 13:5. IE To not have other gods before Him. IE To be showing the fruits of the Spirit.

After being a Christian and studying the bible now for almost twenty five years, I would propose that the line to the unsaved should be as simple as ''repent of your sins''. The difference between people in heaven and hell is that those in heaven will be repentant sinners and those in hell will be unrepentant sinners.

As Jesus says in Luke 5:32 'I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.'
I don’t have the perfect answer. God is always eager to hear from any and all of his created peoples. If you are really seeking truth. ask him.
 
2Jn 1:1; The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth,
2Jn 1:5; Now I ask you, lady, not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another.

Almost all scholars agree, the "lady" here is the church. Not a specific woman. "her children" would be the members of the church.
The term "lady" could be a code word, used to get past the Romans censors of the time. But it could also be a reference to the church as the bride of Christ.
 
1. Believe with all your heart, that Jesus is who He says He is and that He is the only one who can save you. - Romans 10:10
2. Confess with your mouth that you are a hopeless sinner in need of God’s mercy. - Romans 10:10
3. Repent. Turn away from your life of sin and surrender to the Lord. - Acts 2:37-40 and 2 Corinthians 7:10
4. Be born again of water, and of the Holy Spirit - John 3:1-8
5. Run the race to completion as the apostle Paul says: “work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling”….or in other words, continue to repent and do all that you can daily to pursue a life of obedience and “that holiness without which no man will see the Lord!“- Hebrews 12:14-15 and 1 Corinthians 9:24-27.
Surrender daily to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to do the sanctifying work in you.
Jesus said,”Take up your cross daily…” - Luke 9:23-24 and “He that endures to the end shall be saved.” -Matthew 24:13
 
~
I tour the world via YouTube; visiting amazing man-made wonders and natural
wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders for myself as
they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a one-thousand year era
on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of opportunity to see everything
in the next life that I missed in this one.

Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.
The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of
Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I love to explore, but avoid places that might cost me my life, lose an eye, or put
me in a wheel chair. Well; in the future, I'll be able to explore every corner of the
globe to my heart's content in perfect safety and thoroughly enjoy myself without
worrying about hazards associated with the journey like high mountains, wild
rivers, dense jungles, deep caves, undersea reefs, piranha, poisonous insects,
deadly snakes, head hunters, frost bite, hypothermia, violent storms, hijackers,
terrorists, bandits, getting lost, and/or shipwreck.

One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well,
diminished capacity will never again be a factor dictating what I can eat and drink,
were I can go, nor whether I can make it because those of us who follow Christ into
the millennium will be immortal; which is quite an advantage.

People in Hell are not only in terrible discomfort, but they will never again be given
an opportunity to enjoy the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration;
which are three very stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met
would agree, make life worth the living.
_
 
Yes Dave there is truth in what you write. What is actually happening is that the light of God replaces the heart of man, the light of God replaces the mind of man, and thus he will start to act in accordance with the Holy Spirit, that is the Spirit of God.

It is because of the necessity of the light of God, that Jesus pointed out the extreme importance of the lamps

What you wrote is another way of describing that. If you cannot see, and experience the lamps, you can still know their effect. It is because they are real, and will exist whether you are aware of them or not.

Someone can possibly follow the Holy Spirit and still find the way, with the aid of the bible, but not me I do not think I could ever have done it. If it wasn't for Gods help, and instructions in words, and Him rewarding me through the Temple of God within when I did good, I could never have done it.

A christian man once asked me to ask Jesus who will be saved, and He answered something similar to this: -All who walk the way that I am, have the chance, when they stumble it is expected, when they make a little detour, it is expected. But if they turn away from the way that leads to heaven, and turn decidedly in another direction, there is no chance.

I also want you to know that Jesus has told me it is better when someone reaches heaven while their body still walk the earth, there are a lot of benefits, related to a greater harvest and more.

The false teachers, and the false prophets has made many believe that you may only come to heaven after “the death” of the body of flesh. Those kinds of false teachings are very harmful, and is one of the reasons to why Jesus was, and is furious with false teachers that will not clean themselves, and will not let lead others to clean either. Just like it is written in the bible about when He told the pharisees off, so He has shown to me His fury once towards the false teachers and prophets one time when He called me to the third heaven.

Cause they way to Him who is purity is to clean, and receive Gods help to clean.

If you have not been taken to heaven, and have been taught by false teachers you may think that this passage in the bible is just a strange oddity: 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows.

But when the true teachings of Jesus is taught, most or all devout christian men would probably make their primary goal to reach heaven, to receive Gods permission to be accepted a lost son returned while they still walk the earth, and not wait for the second chance.
 
Yes Vhusley

But please to not leave out the one commandment that Jesus says is the greatest, without it He has told me even He would be lost. The Love for Father. He our beloved savior did all for Father, and also sacrificed his body of flesh.

Complete Love for Father will lead to unity with God will make us want to loose all else, total repentance is union with God, but in order for a man to choose to repent from the ways of satan, his Love for God must be there to drive him to repent, so Love comes before repentance, and also the realization that the darkness is evil.

Father has told me, it is why in the beginning of the bible it is written that His spirit hovered above the dark waters of the earth, and when He saw the darkness He created light, and then He chose the light. We must follow Him who is greater and wiser than we could ever be.
 
Yes BAC,

About the chosen ladies it does not matter what scholars think, but if they think that they are partly right, cause the chosen ladies that Father will unite a brother with in the Light, in heaven, to make up the body of Christ together with, are the same sisters, that on earth will welcome word from God, from that brother.

So on earth that sister and brother may be studying the bible together, the sister welcoming Holy words from the brother, that he got from God, either through the bible, or directly from God.

Jesus speaks about such women here that are not pregnant in the flesh, but with the word of God:

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

In heaven sisters and brothers may unite in many ways, we are light there, part of the body of Christ that is also Light: 20On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.

There in heaven men and women are not allowed 1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

There in heaven we are like angels above the "marriage of the flesh" : Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
So to summarize what on earth will seem like a brother sharing the word of God with a sister, will in heaven look like that brother giving light of God to that same sister, and she will welcome it, and love it, and give light back to God, that is why it is written: 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,…

The true church, the true temple of God is in heaven

But a good "church" of the earth, in that church what I wrote about will be going on, brothers sharing word from God with sisters, who will love to hear it/ receive it, in heaven that looks like the greatest of romances.

The song of songs is about that.

So if you are right about most scholars they are not totally wrong.

The unions in heaven does not have to resemble any unions between man and woman in the flesh, there their heads can be united and explode in Love, there their hearts can be united and explode in Love.

There all unions are welcomed by God almighty, cause there all is His light, we are the children of light in the Lord, there is no sin in the light only in the flesh, on the contrary it is a great virtue to be attracted to the light of God within a sister instead of the flesh for a brother. To wish to share the word of God with her, rather than a bed on earth.

It is such a great virtue that Father will not let any man be alone there, and no woman either, men and women are not allowed, only unions 1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
 
Yes Vhusley

But please to not leave out the one commandment that Jesus says is the greatest, without it He has told me even He would be lost. The Love for Father. He our beloved savior did all for Father, and also sacrificed his body of flesh.

Complete Love for Father will lead to unity with God will make us want to loose all else, total repentance is union with God, but in order for a man to choose to repent from the ways of satan, his Love for God must be there to drive him to repent, so Love comes before repentance, and also the realization that the darkness is evil.

Father has told me, it is why in the beginning of the bible it is written that His spirit hovered above the dark waters of the earth, and when He saw the darkness He created light, and then He chose the light. We must follow Him who is greater and wiser than we could ever be.
This is part of repentance. This is why God’s Word tells us it is “Godly sorrow that works repentance leading to salvation.”
It is just like the parable of the Pharisee and the publican. The publican, standing before a holy and righteous God asked that the Lord to have mercy on him in his shameful, sinful state.

THAT is Godly sorrow….it is loving the Father so much that we are able to see our own sinful life as shameful to Him. It is understanding how much our unrepentant sin breaks the heart of God and it is wanting to turn away from it in order to be pleasing to Him….because we love Him….not simply because we wish to be saved.
So yes, I believe true repentance covers that.
 
I have myself seen Him on His throne in the third heaven, there He is on the middle throne, there is one to His right and one to His left. Jesus has spoken to me many times, explaining His teachings. And I have been asked to pass the knowledge on.
Forgive me if this comes across as “snarky” or overly critical….that is certainly not my intent. But when speaking of the things of God, my intent is to always speak that which is truthful or right in His eyes.

While you do speak much that aligns with what I know of God’s Word and with my own personal testimony….this part has me a little concerned. Were you shown “more” than John the Revelator? The “disciple whom Jesus loved”? The one disciple who probably knew Jesus more intimately than any other and was thus given the gift (burden) of being able to look into heaven and who was given revelation of the end times?

Because your “vision” does not line up with John’s. In fact, nowhere in scripture does it talk about three thrones….but rather God’s Word only ever speaks of one. Even the prophets of old and the Psalmist were all given this understanding. God is one. And Jesus Christ is God made flesh. He is not separate from the Father….the Father is fully in Him and He fully in the Father. There is only one throne and it belongs to Jesus Christ…who IS God. I stand on God’s Word and the inerrancy of it. There is so much scripture that contradicts this part your “experience.”

You may have been shown something by God, or you may very well have just had a dream and it could be your own thoughts intermingled with what you HAVE learned and experienced regarding God and His will. But I reserve the right to question the authenticity of your prophesy especially when it contradicts the Bible. In fact, God calls us to have discernment regarding such things. And I have much scripture to stand on.
 
Well Vhusley, I would call what you are describing now "part of the the way that Jesus is" or something like that, you are describing the way we must walk, I am not sure it is that important what we call it as long as we walk it. But I have not received guidance from God about that.

And I think I know what you mean with Godly sorrow, but for me it was sometimes more like a very intense shame. At one time during my initial cleaning that Jesus guided me to do, I felt such intense shame when I had repented for many days, and I still found more and more sin, so that I asked Jesus to crucify me too. It was then that He took me to the scream at the cross that we can read about in the bible.

Then I laid on my bed and my legs where crossed, and my hands where drawn into position, and my mouth seemed to open in a giant scream, it was then that I knew that the punishment for killing the body of flesh of Jesus Christ was death to all humanity, that was the punishment God our Father had decided. But He had given Jesus the power to pardon, and with that scream He pardoned humanity, and gave us repentance instead, to kill sin instead of humanity.

So His answer was, that He did not want my body of flesh crucified, instead He wanted me to kill the old man, to repent. Finding sin and repenting was not a bad thing, but exactly what He wanted me to do.

Pure sorrow, not mixed with shame I feel more when I read about How Jesus was treated walking to be crucified in the bible.
 
Kindly do not be so quick to say it is not in the bible when it is: 36“What do you want Me to do for you?” He inquired. 37 They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.” 38“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?”…

When I am suddenly taken to heaven, it is all I know, earth is gone, and heaven is the true eternal reality, experiences are very strong there, all is light.

John has seen what I have seen, because He knows about the chosen ladies, and knows all that knows the truth know and love them and their babies but this is the time on earth when the figtree will bloom.

There in heaven time is not.

When I have asked God about other prophets, if they have seen what I have seen. He basically answered me it is non of my business. I am not to compare myself with others in that way.

But if you like to tell me about any experiences God gave you I would love to hear about it.

When it comes to you claiming that God is in Jesus it is not true, Jesus is in God, Jesus is light in Father, like we are light in Him, it is written here: 20 On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.”

However it is like the ocean, the whole ocean is water, the Atlantic is also water, and a drop of water from the ocean is also water. The will of Father and that of Jesus is totally aligned, so there is no power struggle. Jesus will do what Father wants, and is in Father:

17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”
 
Kindly do not be so quick to say it is not in the bible when it is: 36“What do you want Me to do for you?” He inquired. 37 They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.” 38“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?”…

When I am suddenly taken to heaven, it is all I know, earth is gone, and heaven is the true eternal reality, experiences are very strong there, all is light.

John has seen what I have seen, because He knows about the chosen ladies, and knows all that knows the truth know and love them and their babies but this is the time on earth when the figtree will bloom.

There in heaven time is not.

When I have asked God about other prophets, if they have seen what I have seen. He basically answered me it is non of my business. I am not to compare myself with others in that way.

But if you like to tell me about any experiences God gave you I would love to hear about it.

When it comes to you claiming that God is in Jesus it is not true, Jesus is in God, Jesus is light in Father, like we are light in Him, it is written here: 20 On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.”

However it is like the ocean, the whole ocean is water, the Atlantic is also water, and a drop of water from the ocean is also water. The will of Father and that of Jesus is totally aligned, so there is no power struggle. Jesus will do what Father wants, and is in Father:

17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”
Kindly, the disciples spoke from lack of understanding. Most of them questioned up to His resurrection (and a few even after) whether or not Jesus was truly the Messiah. Also, this does not say that there are 3 thrones, nor does it even imply this. We know this because these were merely men (obviously not equating themselves to God) asking to sit on either side OF His throne. Most people with a general knowledge of theology understand this to be the case.

And in all sincerity, you say “I am not to compare myself with others in that way.”
That is fine. However; do you feel that you SHOULD compare your revelations to what God’s Word says….you know, to check to see that they are in alignment?
I kinda believe that’s important….even to a prophet….but especially to those of us called to discern prophesy.
 
Well Vhusley, I would call what you are describing now "part of the the way that Jesus is" or something like that, you are describing the way we must walk, I am not sure it is that important what we call it as long as we walk it. But I have not received guidance from God about that.

And I think I know what you mean with Godly sorrow, but for me it was sometimes more like a very intense shame. At one time during my initial cleaning that Jesus guided me to do, I felt such intense shame when I had repented for many days, and I still found more and more sin, so that I asked Jesus to crucify me too. It was then that He took me to the scream at the cross that we can read about in the bible.

Then I laid on my bed and my legs where crossed, and my hands where drawn into position, and my mouth seemed to open in a giant scream, it was then that I knew that the punishment for killing the body of flesh of Jesus Christ was death to all humanity, that was the punishment God our Father had decided. But He had given Jesus the power to pardon, and with that scream He pardoned humanity, and gave us repentance instead, to kill sin instead of humanity.

So His answer was, that He did not want my body of flesh crucified, instead He wanted me to kill the old man, to repent. Finding sin and repenting was not a bad thing, but exactly what He wanted me to do.

Pure sorrow, not mixed with shame I feel more when I read about How Jesus was treated walking to be crucified in the bible.
Thanks for sharing that. Just curious. What is your definition of “repentance”? Or rather, what has God shown you regarding the meaning of true repentance?
 
Hello friend, I do like your analogy of the ocean. That is a really good way of helping others comprehend the oneness of God!
But I have one Last question. We could simply be arguing semantics here, and if so, we should probably stop as it will likely become unfruitful, but what of Paul’s description in Colossians 2:9-10 ?For IN Him (Jesus) dwells ALL the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
 
No there are actually three thrones, in the third heaven. But again I dont think it is important that you call them thrones, but they certainly look like thrones. In that quote I sent you Jesus does not answer that it is not possible to be seated on His left and on His right, instead He answered:

38“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?”…

I will tell you I have undergone that baptism, it is the baptism in the White fire of God, it is written about it here:

11I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.



Thank you for your question about repentance, I am instructed to answer those who seek.

Jesus guided me in the initial period about 40 days following the baptism to above all clean, sing/pray in tongues, read the bible, and obey Him.

But I could not do it myself, I had to ask for His help at several occasions, or I would have failed.

First Jesus guided me to clean out the heavy dirt of the soul, it is memories of sin, feelings/ thoughts/ experiences that we need to repent from, or forgive, (but forgiveness is really repenting from judging others/demanding a repayment of a debt). I repented for many days, most of the days from morning to evening.

Jesus made me addicted to repenting to help me, cause He had given me the miracle heart, and it felt disgusted before sin, to the point of me almost throwing up sometimes, but when I repented, the disgust was gone, I was liberated, thanked Him, and loved Him more.

And I sang in tongues, and many foreign languages started to come out of me that I do not speak.

But when I realized I would have forgotten and overlooked sins, I had to ask Jesus for Help. He then offer me to look through all my sins. But I had to give my permission, or it would not be done until the death of my body of flesh. I agreed, and I saw a giant black book, with thousands upon thousands of sins, some flashed by and I remembered them.


Then He guided me to repent in the spirit, to repent using His name, repeating His name, impure spirits would leave me, it went on for days, I would feel in the spirit, where I would feel uncomfort I would direct my attention and repeat “Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ”, and it would be too much for them and they would leave me.

When they left me, my face would be twisted, and there would be a sound coming out of my mouth.

It went on for days, and I was singing in tongues, letting God have power over my tongue, to pray what was wise.

Then I arrived at the bottom of the pile of impure spirit. It was itching opposite my heart in my back, from the itching there was born “baby impure spirits”, they were born out of it.

It was like a portal for impure spirit, I call it the serpent's egg.

I could drive out also the baby impure spirits with the name Jesus Christ, but I could not drive out the portal from which they came.

At that point I asked Jesus for help, and wanted to know what it was, that portal, He said it was the serpents.

And since I asked for His help to destroy it, He took me to Father, and He God almighty let the first lightning hit me, or Jesus directed His lightning into me, and at the same time God let me know it was to destroy the serpents egg.

And that I could not stay in the lightning for long as it was too powerful to me.

After God had destroyed the serpents egg, that is the spirit of the sin of Adam, I was accepted the lost son returned, and taken to the wedding feast.

That is the answer to your question, How Jesus guided me to repent, there are some thing I have not mentioned, if you want me to get into more details you may ask.





About your comment concerning : “For IN Him (Jesus) dwells ALL the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.”

I am not certain what to answer you, but I will seek guidance from Father or Jesus, and get back to you
 
I said: Father, in heaven I have seen Jesus, He has a body of light, but you are all the light in all the heavens are you not?

Father said: I am one!

Yes Father, You are the light. Instead of me asking stupid questions, could you tell me what this means, since I was asked? “For IN Him (Jesus) dwells ALL the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.”

Father said: I am my Son, my Son is Me. I gave Him glory, I was first, I am the source of sources, He is my treasure of treasures. I gave Him glory, He will do no wrong. I am God, He is God. I am all.

I am.

I said: Yes beloved Father, (and I was hit by His lightning), I love you. Father is it then true that you gave Him to be the head of all principality and power, cause He is one with you?

Father said: I glorified Him, He did my will, all I asked He did, He is my Son, I am pleased.

Father when you say You are all, is it not cause You are the truth, and eternal, and nothing else is true or eternal?

Father said: I am.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top