I AM going to present “Jesus” the one, who is “The Christ of God” to the many, who think they know Him!

[Dave M]

can i ask all ....plz
i was taught
once saved always saved in many pentecostal churches over many years but my good christian freind told me this is not right which ill be honest shattered my hopes for a long long time ,
as i never believed i was saved anymore because of my sins that i did and still do he said willfull sin, disobedience , and not obeying the word would put us in great danger of losing salvation this made me very fearfull and fretfull a lot .and ive met so many folk over the years who have felt the same and i think it be good and helpfull to the weaker in faith or new to the faith to be assured of their salvation as so much wrong teaching going on in the name of the Lord.
so just putting this out there for all you seasoned saints to put it biblically correct Amen x

I can tell you from my personal point of view, that the bible is NOT clear on OSAS IMO, and I can show you scripture supporting either case that you can loose salvation or that you can not.

The bible is clear on testing yourself to see if you have been born again, a born again person is different they are no longer the same person as they were.

they tricky part for me understanding about sin once you are born again was you here so many preachers saying you will still sin, its ok . But you never here a real explanation then on whats the difference when you get born again. So I finnaly realized because of scripture, that a born again person DOES NOT PRACTICE sin as a life style, this is a important concept to grasp. The difference between living a life of sin like I used to for example getting drunk on a regular basis, having sex not married on a regular basis this was my life style I was enslaved to this type of sin. So when I got born again I got convicted by these things and drinking was pretty much a light switch God just turned off for me and the desire was no longer there, however sexual immorality was a difficult one, but every time I stumbled in this sin after being born again I was so convicted I pleaded with God and fasted and eventually conquered this sin well Jesus did. It still takes self control and guess what self control is FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. The more you grow and mature in Christ the more you want to please him the greater your self control becomes and sin virtually no more at least not willingly.

YOur spirit nature becomes stronger then your flesh nature. YOur flesh nature is what makes you want to sin, your spirit nature is what what makes you wan to please God.

As new beleivers its common to struggle with some sins that have strongholds on you, but you can conquer them with Jesus, you have to develop spiritual disciplines like like fasting praying bible study regular, serving the needy. These all have a direct effect on your growth as a Christian. If you say you have been a Christian for 20 years and you are still enslaved to sin, I would be very concerned about if you were born again.

You should be hungering for God, every day in the word.

 

[Dave M]

there is plenty of scripture that says just believe and be saved, yet there is also scripture that you dont here about that say you must OBEY

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.


You will here a lot of people saying things like God made it easy all you have to do is believe, yet Jesus says its HARD and FEW FIND IT


Matthew 7:14
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

[Born Again 2004]

there is plenty of scripture that says just believe and be saved, yet there is also scripture that you dont here about that say you must OBEY

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.


You will here a lot of people saying things like God made it easy all you have to do is believe, yet Jesus says its HARD and FEW FIND IT


Matthew 7:14
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

There is plenty of scripture that details that we are not perfect nor are we instructed to be. On the contrary, I recall that, Jesus himself, stated that if we fail
at just one law, we have failed all the law. I am convinced that goes for the comandments as well.....both are righteousness and Holy and we should respect them and love them. As far as I understand it, Jesus is the only one ever to obey the Law and the commandments perfectly, 24 / 7. Even as hard as we try, we are not capable...that is one of the reasons Jesus died and why he said there is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ....condemnation for what?... for being imperfect and unworthy!

 

[Dave M]

yes my point is that a life of repetitive sin is not one of a born again believer, there has to be change in us

practicing these things you have not been born again, and you are not going to heaven according to what scripture says. Unless you repent and STOP doing them. Jesus gives us the power for those who believe with there heart and not just there lips/

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Dave M]

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

 

[Born Again 2004]

yes my point is that a life of repetitive sin is not one of a born again believer, there has to be change in us

practicing these things you have not been born again, and you are not going to heaven according to what scripture says. Unless you repent and STOP doing them. Jesus gives us the power for those who believe with there heart and not just there lips/

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Couldn't agree with you more. But even a "Born Again" Christian can slide back into deprivation ... not that he / she likes it but it happens to some, are they any less saved? Let God do the separation..remember: Goats to the Left and Sheep to the right!
It is admirable how you feel but beware of pride, it is a sin no less than any other! We are saved by Grace and not of works, less one could boast..we all fall into that category..I hate sin as much as you do and there is all manner of sin but I am not naive enough to think I'm perfect, and nor are
You! I just thank God for showing me the difference.

 

[PloughBoy]

God puts the whip on His Children, and draws blood! But those who are not HIS, He let them do what the "Heck" they want too!
To me "christians" are forgetting "Holy Scripture" or not understanding it in complete "Biblical Context". Or Never read it "systematic order".
even David said: " He has chasten me very hard but have not given me over to death"! I must be, in the very few numbers, that have had His behind torn up by the strap of GOD on many of times. "More scars, more Oil, more Healing , by "The Shepherd's hand" More whipping, more Tears, and every time, He tells me why, because I love you, and the closer I get to Him. He does not throw you in a corner when He discipline you, He holds you, and talks to you, and pour the healing oil, from the crown of your head unto the souls of your feet, and bath your heart with the "Spirit of the Living God". And A man cannot to that! A "Institution" cannot do that! "Hospitals cannot do that" "My mother or my Father cannot do that" "A institutional church" cannot do that! I need the Real thing, That only A GOD can do!

God Disciplines His Sons
4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin:
5and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons, My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? 8But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. 11All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.

12Wherefore lift up the hands that hang down, and the palsied knees; 13and make straight paths for your feet, that that which is lame be not turned out of the way, but rather be healed.

One thing i do know, He is the only I know, can whip you, and kill you, and you do not have to worry, because, He can bring you back! Now , thats "The GOD" i know!

 

[PloughBoy]

God puts the whip on His Children, and draws blood! But those who are not HIS, He let them do what the "Heck" they want too!
To me "christians" are forgetting "Holy Scripture" or not understanding it in complete "Biblical Context". Or Never read it "systematic order".
even David said: " He has chasten me very hard but have not given me over to death"! I must be, in the very few numbers, that have had His behind torn up by the strap of GOD on many of times. "More scars, more Oil, more Healing , by "The Shepherd's hand" More whipping, more Tears, and every time, He tells me why, because I love you, and the closer I get to Him. He does not throw you in a corner when He discipline you, He holds you, and talks to you, and pour the healing oil, from the crown of your head unto the souls of your feet, and bath your heart with the "Spirit of the Living God". And A man cannot do that! A "Institution" cannot do that! "Hospitals cannot do that" "My mother or my Father cannot do that" "A institutional church" cannot do that! I need the Real thing, That only A GOD can do!

God Disciplines His Sons
4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin:
5and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons, My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? 8But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. 11All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.

12Wherefore lift up the hands that hang down, and the palsied knees; 13and make straight paths for your feet, that that which is lame be not turned out of the way, but rather be healed.

One thing i do know, He is the only I know, can whip you, and kill you, and you do not have to worry, because, He can bring you back! Now , thats "The GOD" i know!

 

[Nicola Jane]

There is plenty of scripture that details that we are not perfect nor are we instructed to be. On the contrary, I recall that, Jesus himself, stated that if we fail
at just one law, we have failed all the law. I am convinced that goes for the comandments as well.....both are righteousness and Holy and we should respect them and love them. As far as I understand it, Jesus is the only one ever to obey the Law and the commandments perfectly, 24 / 7. Even as hard as we try, we are not capable...that is one of the reasons Jesus died and why he said there is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ....condemnation for what?... for being imperfect and unworthy!

Couldn't agree with you more. But even a "Born Again" Christian can slide back into deprivation ... not that he / she likes it but it happens to some, are they any less saved? Let God do the separation..remember: Goats to the Left and Sheep to the right!
It is admirable how you feel but beware of pride, it is a sin no less than any other! We are saved by Grace and not of works, less one could boast..we all fall into that category..I hate sin as much as you do and there is all manner of sin but I am not naive enough to think I'm perfect, and nor are
You! I just thank God for showing me the difference.

i found your post very helpfull .im a born from above spirit filled woman and i experienced many years ago such deep doubts and i know many do so i thought ill ask the this blessed community of saints for Godly wisdom so ill have the wisdom to help fellow struggling christians along the way as many feel insecure in their salvation so thankyou for your reply and God bless you really helped and im sure will help many more x

 

[Nicola Jane]

God puts the whip on His Children, and draws blood! But those who are not HIS, He let them do what the "Heck" they want too!
To me "christians" are forgetting "Holy Scripture" or not understanding it in complete "Biblical Context". Or Never read it "systematic order".
even David said: " He has chasten me very hard but have not given me over to death"! I must be, in the very few numbers, that have had His behind torn up by the strap of GOD on many of times. "More scars, more Oil, more Healing , by "The Shepherd's hand" More whipping, more Tears, and every time, He tells me why, because I love you, and the closer I get to Him. He does not throw you in a corner when He discipline you, He holds you, and talks to you, and pour the healing oil, from the crown of your head unto the souls of your feet, and bath your heart with the "Spirit of the Living God". And A man cannot to that! A "Institution" cannot do that! "Hospitals cannot do that" "My mother or my Father cannot do that" "A institutional church" cannot do that! I need the Real thing, That only A GOD can do!

God Disciplines His Sons
4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin:
5and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons, My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? 8But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. 11All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.

12Wherefore lift up the hands that hang down, and the palsied knees; 13and make straight paths for your feet, that that which is lame be not turned out of the way, but rather be healed.

One thing i do know, He is the only I know, can whip you, and kill you, and you do not have to worry, because, He can bring you back! Now , thats "The GOD" i know!

excellent plough boy.
im in a battle like never before and my faith has never been strong so i praise God always and thank him and no matter what the outcome in my life, my marriage,
Gods will be done is first in my life always .
thankyou for your reply x
God bless you

 

[Born Again 2004]

i found your post very helpfull .im a born from above spirit filled woman and i experienced many years ago such deep doubts and i know many do so i thought ill ask the this blessed community of saints for Godly wisdom so ill have the wisdom to help fellow struggling christians along the way as many feel insecure in their salvation so thankyou for your reply and God bless you really helped and im sure will help many more x

I'm glad you were comforted with it. Salvation is very straightforward and actually simple, if we only we understood that.
We often make it so hard and it is not meant to be.

 

[Nicola Jane]

yes my point is that a life of repetitive sin is not one of a born again believer, there has to be change in us

practicing these things you have not been born again, and you are not going to heaven according to what scripture says. Unless you repent and STOP doing them. Jesus gives us the power for those who believe with there heart and not just there lips/

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Agree totally

yes my point is that a life of repetitive sin is not one of a born again believer, there has to be change in us

practicing these things you have not been born again, and you are not going to heaven according to what scripture says. Unless you repent and STOP doing them. Jesus gives us the power for those who believe with there heart and not just there lips/

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

i agree x

 

[Born Again 2004]

Agree totally

i agree x

A life of repetatve sin without regard is one thing ; still being sinful is another!

 

[PloughBoy]

There is someone out there that sees the same things I see! Through God's Word!

So I am not crazy after all!

 

[Born Again 2004]

There is someone out there that sees the same things I see! Through God's Word!

So I am not crazy after all!

There is someone out there that sees the same things I see! Through God's Word!

So I am not crazy after all!

Who said you were crazy!? Mcarthur probably has forgotten more about the Bible than I will ever learn. The points he makes are probably very true but in who's time..
In your time?
In my time?
What about the Saints before us?
Only God knows for sure, in the mean time, are we prepared for what comes next?

 

[Curtis]

Jesus came not to build churches

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Born Again 2004]

John 3:17; when He comes next it is to condemn who are left. Those who have gone before were condemned already, unless you fall in the group mentioned in Romans 8:1.

 

[Nicola Jane]

There is someone out there that sees the same things I see! Through God's Word!

So I am not crazy after all!

just watched this video macArthur hes very good at explaining and very scary times expecially if lost feel so sad that the many reject the gospel gotta keep praying for all we can family freinds and whosover we meet as this is no joke also watched the other video you posted all very eye opening and helpfull
God bless PB x

 

[Born Again 2004]

just watched this video macArthur hes very good at explaining and very scary times expecially if lost feel so sad that the many reject the gospel gotta keep praying for all we can family freinds and whosover we meet as this is no joke also watched the other video you posted all very eye opening and helpfull
God bless PB x

If you are not in Christ, what is coming for those who reject him is terrible indeed!!!

 

[PloughBoy]

I loved the penmanship of "Luke" in the "Gospel According to Saint Luke", Chapter 4: 41, how He pen the "Words of Jesus" when he encountered the Demons whom He cast out. And this is how it is recorded, now behold the Man:

"Many were possessed by demons; and the demons came out at his command, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But because they knew he was the Messiah, he rebuked them and refused to let them speak."

I declare, even now The Demons knows who their Creator is! "The Son of The Living God" and they obey Him!" And acknowledge Him as "Lord of Lords", "King of Kings" and "The Son of God"!

And this Creature, call Man, still will not acknowledge Him, and many of Christians still will not obey Him! When demons or The Devil Himself obey's God and does what ever He commands!!!

Many Christians still do not know the Greatness of His Grace and Mercy, that is extended unto Us!

LORD, have continually mercy and grace on us and on our children, and keep us, with the unmerited favor you have bestow on us through your Son.

Chris