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I don't trust Jesus anymore

If I don't trust a invisible being who lives in the clouds makes me what? You Christians can't see how much your beliefs are a serious problem.

you're all right, even when your wrong.

@soulwaves

Why come to a Christian forum if you are just going to be scornful?
We of course will talk about Jesus...thats what this site is about


For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
 
It started by accepting that Jesus wasn't going to talk me through the whole messy process of finding a place to stay. He wasn't even there in spirit, so I had to counsel myself off the street's.

There is your problem. You never expected the Lord to help you, and you received exactly what you expected which was nothing, and you received nothing.

You are your own worst enemy. As it is written "cursed is the man who puts his trust in the arm of the flesh"
 
It sounds to me that you first need to search for the things you can not see with your eyes, touch with your hands and feel in emotions and physical touch. This is not to say you will not feel emotional at times.
 
Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
Jer 29:12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you.
Jer 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
 
I think I've tried everything to find this Jesus Christian's are so sure about. I've looked high and low, I've looked in and out, but faith soon disappears like a vapour. I'm lost for the word's to describe the hell my life has been in pushing myself to believe over and over.

I must secretly admit, God knows that I can't believe because I'm afraid of what he'll do to me if I don't. But if I believe to save my own neck, then what kind of person does that make me?

I've been away for a while because I've been bouncing to and from the street's, it's been a terrible few month's. I called out to Jesus while I was sleeping in the gutters, and he never comforted me once. No, I just walked around in the cold feeling like I've been kicked in the gut's.

Well I would have hoped Jesus could cheer me up in a terrible place, but that promise fell far short. No, I don't trust this Jesus anymore, why should I?

And your still looking.
Your words imply that you want that hope and confirmation.
Where are you currently spiritually? Do you still believe in a Creator or Source?
 
Soulwaves. You sound like a spoiled child. Saying to God "Why aren't you giving me what I want." That's not how God works.
He never promised us a rose garden with no thorns, nor a life without work.
Read your Bible. While you are reading ask God to open your eyes to the truth of His Word.
Faith comes by hearing His Word, so read your Bible aloud and as your ears hear you reading, faith will come.
Perhaps you could also go on YouTube and listen to Derek Prince's sermons.
He's a great teacher and although he went to be with the Lord many years ago his sermons are still relevant today.
Please let me know how you get on. I'm praying for you to receive the faith you need to come into a right relationship with Jesus.
BTW God won't punish you if you don't believe in Jesus yet. He gives us all the opportunity to be saved. Some just take a bit longer than others.
Derek Prince calls the Bible God's medicine bottle. When the doctor give medicine we have to take it 3 x a day with food.
Derek used to read his Bible 3 x a day before each meal, stating that if he hasn't time to read his Bible then he hasn't time to eat either.

Bless you Soulwaves, I'm looking forward to celebrating your new life in Christ.
 
I think I've tried everything to find this Jesus Christian's are so sure about. I've looked high and low, I've looked in and out, but faith soon disappears like a vapour. I'm lost for the word's to describe the hell my life has been in pushing myself to believe over and over.

I must secretly admit, God knows that I can't believe because I'm afraid of what he'll do to me if I don't. But if I believe to save my own neck, then what kind of person does that make me?

I've been away for a while because I've been bouncing to and from the street's, it's been a terrible few month's. I called out to Jesus while I was sleeping in the gutters, and he never comforted me once. No, I just walked around in the cold feeling like I've been kicked in the gut's.

Well I would have hoped Jesus could cheer me up in a terrible place, but that promise fell far short. No, I don't trust this Jesus anymore, why should I?

Its quite obvious that since you called on Jesus you have not had any peace...I do not doubt that's because He's answering you and you keep running from Him. So....If you choose to run and ignore Him he won't do anything to you. Truely...It would be stupid of Him to do to you when He has done all FOR you... It bothers you that you don't trust Him...OK Makes sense...but if you decide you want to trust Him you have to spend time with Him..Get to know Him. That's how faith comes. Jesus is the Word of God. Faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word...So...Spend time with Him, read and read the Word aloud, and your faith will grow, your fear will go away and you will run to meet Jesus every day. Really!
 
@soulwaves The reality is that, at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and is in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31). So, either you accept Christ in this world or forever remember that you rejected Him & live forever without Him. Decided NOW and He will teach you what you need
 
I think I've tried everything to find this Jesus Christian's are so sure about. I've looked high and low, I've looked in and out, but faith soon disappears like a vapour. I'm lost for the word's to describe the hell my life has been in pushing myself to believe over and over.

I must secretly admit, God knows that I can't believe because I'm afraid of what he'll do to me if I don't. But if I believe to save my own neck, then what kind of person does that make me?

I've been away for a while because I've been bouncing to and from the street's, it's been a terrible few month's. I called out to Jesus while I was sleeping in the gutters, and he never comforted me once. No, I just walked around in the cold feeling like I've been kicked in the gut's.

Well I would have hoped Jesus could cheer me up in a terrible place, but that promise fell far short. No, I don't trust this Jesus anymore, why should I?
Hey Soulwave,

I hope you return to read this message. The Jesus that Churches talk about, is that the Jesus that your looking for? Or do you want to know the real Jesus? If you can find him and his teachings in the Four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) I hope you write back because Jesus is real, Im am living proof of it, lets talk when you get a chance.

Peace and love
 
I think I've tried everything to find this Jesus Christian's are so sure about. I've looked high and low, I've looked in and out, but faith soon disappears like a vapour. I'm lost for the word's to describe the hell my life has been in pushing myself to believe over and over.

I must secretly admit, God knows that I can't believe because I'm afraid of what he'll do to me if I don't. But if I believe to save my own neck, then what kind of person does that make me?

I've been away for a while because I've been bouncing to and from the street's, it's been a terrible few month's. I called out to Jesus while I was sleeping in the gutters, and he never comforted me once. No, I just walked around in the cold feeling like I've been kicked in the gut's.

Well I would have hoped Jesus could cheer me up in a terrible place, but that promise fell far short. No, I don't trust this Jesus anymore, why should I?

For anyone else living like that still looking in this chat, there's hope probably in every direction around you. God is not in the gutter with unbelievers. God is not "in control" of everything and everyone, else there would be no abortions, no crimes, no tornadoes or hurricanes destroying lives, no wars, nothing bad. It all started off GOOD, but man blew it. He is however ready to receive anyone with open arms, those who call upon Jesus and mean it, then get up and submit to Him. Then and only then may you receive anything from God. Until then you are allowed to wallow in slop by your own choice. Read on!

Jesus told a parable of a young man leaving home with his living father's inheritance in pocket, living the wild life far off. He went broke, ended up homeless, his meals shared by a pen of hogs. He was living the dumpster life until finally he came to himself. Even his daddy's servants had it good back home. He thought it all through, got up, and went home to be welcomed back. That's a picture of God's way of dealing with rebels against Him.

It's very common for homeless people to decide not to get up. But when they do, and don't have a family to help them, there are dozens of places within 10 miles of them here offering a bed, meals, new clothes, counseling, job hunting assistance, connections to agency help, refuge from the outside world. Those who make satisfactory progress enter into long term help. If there's none near you, leave there and go where there is help. Why stay where there is hopelessness? We've helped hundreds find a new life, doing well, some even restored to families, many well employed even with felony records, others now in ministry serving Christ by "passing on" what they learned.

It's also somewhat common for folks to enter those facilities, get all cleaned up, fattened up, sober and emptied of drug traces, sharp enough to apply for a job, well introduced to Jesus, but turning up in a jail wanting bond made, the new clothes replaced with rags, back on drugs, found by old "friends" using them to make a living delivering drugs or burglarizing, prostituting, etc.

Those are all choices, among the many people have access to. It is absolutely necessary to make your mind up, submit to helps, commit to follow through, and not ruin your future beyond repair. There is a point at which people can no longer help, and even God gives up on. He does that by no longer drawing a person to Christ. He knows, and you know too. What you need to learn is where you are in that, somewhere you can listen to God and His disciples more than let the Devil shout down your ear. Satan's goal is to lie to you enough to give up without hope. It isn't the devils doing things to make you desperate, but you and those choices you make. Even a typical secular (non-religious) homeless refuge would be better than eating with the hogs.

Stop just "trying to find Jesus". The Kingdom of Heaven is very near you, even in your mouth if you will but speak enough for faith to help. Nothing happens if all you do is try to find him. God the Father knows where you are, and He has disciples of Jesus able to help. Find someone who can teach you words of success to say to your mountain of despair. The world is full of religions basically trying to do that. Make better choices.
 
I think I've tried everything to find this Jesus Christian's are so sure about. I've looked high and low, I've looked in and out, but faith soon disappears like a vapour. I'm lost for the word's to describe the hell my life has been in pushing myself to believe over and over.

I must secretly admit, God knows that I can't believe because I'm afraid of what he'll do to me if I don't. But if I believe to save my own neck, then what kind of person does that make me?

I've been away for a while because I've been bouncing to and from the street's, it's been a terrible few month's. I called out to Jesus while I was sleeping in the gutters, and he never comforted me once. No, I just walked around in the cold feeling like I've been kicked in the gut's.

Well I would have hoped Jesus could cheer me up in a terrible place, but that promise fell far short. No, I don't trust this Jesus anymore, why should I?
What exactly is it you want Jesus to do for you? Do you expect Him to miraculously poof you into a rich mans car and a big house? What do you expect Him to do for you. Nothing in the Christian walk comes automatically. You give your life to Jesus then start walking with Him. He won't walk you but will walk with you. He'll show you what you need to do, then He'll wait on you while you do it. A Christians life is one of obedience to Him. And the rewards follow your dedicated walk with Him.
 
What exactly is it you want Jesus to do for you? Do you expect Him to miraculously poof you into a rich mans car and a big house? What do you expect Him to do for you. Nothing in the Christian walk comes automatically. You give your life to Jesus then start walking with Him. He won't walk you but will walk with you. He'll show you what you need to do, then He'll wait on you while you do it. A Christians life is one of obedience to Him. And the rewards follow your dedicated walk with Him.

You are exactly right, but apparently soulwave hasn't been back since last year. But there are many out there who need help, not a soft glove and sympathy. Each should get a chance to escape homelessness and attendant miseries, have that one, hopefully more chances to walk out of the mess. We've tried going to the streets witnessing, but that doesn't accomplish anything. The people suspected of bailing out of a plan are interviewed hopefully before they just walk out. Some have to be reported to a court if assigned to a facility to avoid jail. A frequent statement is "That's just me, my life out there, my friends. Let me go." So we do. Some have electric locked doors that will open all day. If someone leaves and doesn't return ALONE on time, their access code is deleted, and there is no more talking.
 
You are exactly right, but apparently soulwave hasn't been back since last year. But there are many out there who need help, not a soft glove and sympathy. Each should get a chance to escape homelessness and attendant miseries, have that one, hopefully more chances to walk out of the mess. We've tried going to the streets witnessing, but that doesn't accomplish anything. The people suspected of bailing out of a plan are interviewed hopefully before they just walk out. Some have to be reported to a court if assigned to a facility to avoid jail. A frequent statement is "That's just me, my life out there, my friends. Let me go." So we do. Some have electric locked doors that will open all day. If someone leaves and doesn't return ALONE on time, their access code is deleted, and there is no more talking.
LOL Well he sure got us going...retroactively!
 
Unfortunately there are a lot of people 'out there' who've 'lost faith'. Question is -- did 'they' have 'faith' in the 1st place? There are lots of people who have a great head knowledge of the Gospel unto salvation. But we need to realize that That isn't what salvation is about -- it's the Heart acceptance Of. And sometime a person will be told to 'pray this prayer' but without acknowledging a personal need For salvation, and believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God,. And that nothing we can do ourselves will help us get to heaven.
 
Unfortunately there are a lot of people 'out there' who've 'lost faith'. Question is -- did 'they' have 'faith' in the 1st place? There are lots of people who have a great head knowledge of the Gospel unto salvation. But we need to realize that That isn't what salvation is about -- it's the Heart acceptance Of. And sometime a person will be told to 'pray this prayer' but without acknowledging a personal need For salvation, and believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God,. And that nothing we can do ourselves will help us get to heaven.
And there are multiplied more who assumed they were Christian maybe based on a childhood encounter with a church, but not being trained up in the word. This summer we might have a church class for returning college students who have been beat down by persecutors, not at all prepared to give a reason for the hope in them. That has been a very serious and growing problem, young people coming home bewildered, confused, exhausted, and depressed.

So on the streets a habit for soul winners has been to simply get people to "repeat this prayer after me and you will saved." That doesn't get them far. Within hours someone can easily talk them out of it. What's working better is for homeless, and those having a home but choose to wander as homeless, is to have access to a few hours of a storefront facility with loving volunteers, comfortable chairs, food, coffee & real tea, and a giant screen presentation of one of many high impact Christian short movies that present testimonies through amazing stories. Then some will stay to talk things out concerning the Person Jesus, and take part in Bible study.

It's best to delay the discipleship until the "trolls" leave with belly full. Some are very cruel, enjoying the goodies and warmth, then shouting obscenities and accusations on their way out. "You **** hypocrites, your God hates you because you won't take me home with you." is an example, even while sometimes taking a single homeless mother with child to a hotel room for the night, to be picked up the next day to be admitted to a battered women's home. Help is often resisted for many reasons, some valid ones. Most of us are not at all equipped to handle insanity. the end run of alcoholism and drug
addiction. Men are encouraged to enter a Men's mission to get a shower, clean clothes, 'home cooked' food, and a bed for overnight. They are instructed of their options after the meal, and prayed over at breakfast. They include guys not chronically homeless, but were locked out of home due to arriving drunk or high.

All this I'm saying is to hopefully get someone out of the house, go do some small part, maybe just dropping off a casserole or some cookies. Your local newspaper likely has a daily listing of support groups and ministries. You don't have to join a church up to volunteer to help their projects.
 
I think what will help you is looking at the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. So when Jesus gives a command/teaching act like he's talking to you! "Truly I say unto you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:3. When Jesus says do this, do it! Just like a child would listen to his father!
 
And there are multiplied more who assumed they were Christian maybe based on a childhood encounter with a church, but not being trained up in the word. This summer we might have a church class for returning college students who have been beat down by persecutors, not at all prepared to give a reason for the hope in them. That has been a very serious and growing problem, young people coming home bewildered, confused, exhausted, and depressed.

So on the streets a habit for soul winners has been to simply get people to "repeat this prayer after me and you will saved." That doesn't get them far. Within hours someone can easily talk them out of it. What's working better is for homeless, and those having a home but choose to wander as homeless, is to have access to a few hours of a storefront facility with loving volunteers, comfortable chairs, food, coffee & real tea, and a giant screen presentation of one of many high impact Christian short movies that present testimonies through amazing stories. Then some will stay to talk things out concerning the Person Jesus, and take part in Bible study.

It's best to delay the discipleship until the "trolls" leave with belly full. Some are very cruel, enjoying the goodies and warmth, then shouting obscenities and accusations on their way out. "You **** hypocrites, your God hates you because you won't take me home with you." is an example, even while sometimes taking a single homeless mother with child to a hotel room for the night, to be picked up the next day to be admitted to a battered women's home. Help is often resisted for many reasons, some valid ones. Most of us are not at all equipped to handle insanity. the end run of alcoholism and drug
addiction. Men are encouraged to enter a Men's mission to get a shower, clean clothes, 'home cooked' food, and a bed for overnight. They are instructed of their options after the meal, and prayed over at breakfast. They include guys not chronically homeless, but were locked out of home due to arriving drunk or high.

All this I'm saying is to hopefully get someone out of the house, go do some small part, maybe just dropping off a casserole or some cookies. Your local newspaper likely has a daily listing of support groups and ministries. You don't have to join a church up to volunteer to help their projects.



One of the big problems that students encounter in science classes is that the theory of evolution is correct and Bible is rejected. That's in Jr high and high school. Those who withstand That pressure go to college for a degree and are beaten down much harder by profs who hold their future degrees ' in their hands'. And there Are professors who won't pass a student if they show any signs of belief in Bible. In many cases the professional world does Not want Christians / believers around.

Lots of churches do Not teach Bible. And lots who Do, do not provide discipleship help after salvation does take place. Getting 'them saved' seems to be top priority and then they are left on their own. As a result, lots of times there is No spiritual growth taking place. It's no wonder that bewilderment, confusion, exhaustion and depression take place.

Once a person Is saved -- has accepted Jesus Christ their personal Savior -- they won't become unsaved. The Holy Spirit has indwelled them and won't leave -- the person Should experience an inner peace that won't leave.

The ideas / approach sounds reasonable / practical. There will Always be those who accept and those who laugh and leave. At least you're there to reach the reachable.

It Would be helpful to belong to an organized group / like a church -- that way you have a group to share the pluses and minuses you'll encounter.
 
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