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I see nowhere in The New Testament that "WE" are to go against The Government Paul and Jesus Didn't

What is government?
FOR the jews it was the Sanhedron, and the occupying Romans.

The Jewish AUTHORITIES Told the disciples to NOT PREACH JESUS, and they were ignored. Of course, there were repercussions, but no "obedience".
 
FOR the jews it was the Sanhedron, and the occupying Romans.

The Jewish AUTHORITIES Told the disciples to NOT PREACH JESUS, and they were ignored. Of course, there were repercussions, but no "obedience".
What is government?

"A government is the system or group of people governing an organized community, generally a state. In the case of its broad associative definition, government normally consists of legislature, executive, and judiciary. Wikipedia"


What is "Jewish AUTHORITIES"?

"Rabbinic authority in Judaism relates to the theological and communal authority attributed to rabbis and their pronouncements in matters of Jewish law. The extent of rabbinic authority differs by various Jewish groups and denominations throughout history."

Rabbinic authority - Wikipedia


Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Rabbinic_authority
What did the Roman Government Consists of?
"The Roman Republic was a democracy. Its government consisted of the Senate and four assemblies: the Comitia Curiata, the Comitia Centuriata, the Concilium Plebis, and the Comitia Tributa.Apr 26, 2023"

Roman Republic | Definition, Dates, History, Government, Map ...


Encyclopedia Britannica
https://www.britannica.com › place › Roman-Republic



What Government were the
"Jewish AUTHORITIES"? under? Roman.

have you forgot "BOB" I have done my "Homework" so many years ago, so I have done my research when I was young I go on memory now, and I am amazed how much I remember at my age, It has to be "GOD" I go on ancient old study habits in which I did my research many years ago. Because the old theologians of the old school took me to the task, and they made me cry many times when I addressed them and they told me to GO Back and get it right then come back because you are as "GREEN as S___" and they meant it in the church, and I cried and I cried, they beat me up concerning the "TRUTH" for they even confessed That GOD told Them to lighten up on me! They said what GOD told Them, and they did. and they told me God only have to tell us one time, and that he meant it too! PASTORS told me this! when I was young. in my twenties!
 
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What is government?

"A government is the system or group of people governing an organized community, generally a state. In the case of its broad associative definition, government normally consists of legislature, executive, and judiciary. Wikipedia"


What is "Jewish AUTHORITIES"?

"Rabbinic authority in Judaism relates to the theological and communal authority attributed to rabbis and their pronouncements in matters of Jewish law. The extent of rabbinic authority differs by various Jewish groups and denominations throughout history."

Rabbinic authority - Wikipedia


Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Rabbinic_authority
What did the Roman Government Consists of?
"The Roman Republic was a democracy. Its government consisted of the Senate and four assemblies: the Comitia Curiata, the Comitia Centuriata, the Concilium Plebis, and the Comitia Tributa.Apr 26, 2023"

Roman Republic | Definition, Dates, History, Government, Map ...


Encyclopedia Britannica
https://www.britannica.com › place › Roman-Republic



What Government were the
"Jewish AUTHORITIES"? under? Roman.

have you forgot "BOB" I have done my "Homework" so many years ago, so I have done my research when I was young I go on memory now, and I am amazed how much I remember at my age, It has to be "GOD" I go on ancient old study habits in which I did my research many years ago. Because the old theologians of the old school took me to the task, and they made me cry many times when I addressed them and they told me to GO Back and get it right then come back because you are as "GREEN as S___" and they meant it in the church, and I cried and I cried, they beat me up concerning the "TRUTH" for they even confessed That GOD told Them to lighten up on me! They said what GOD told Them, and they did. and they told me God only have to tell us one time, and that he meant it too! PASTORS told me this! when I was young. in my twenties!
The Roman Empire vs The Roman Republic
The Roman emperor was the ruler and monarchial head of state of the Roman Empire during the imperial period. The emperors used a variety of different titles throughout history. Often when a given Roman is described as becoming "emperor" in English, it reflects his taking of the title augustus. Wikipedia

"The Roman Empire" formed the central context in which the New Testament was written. Anyone who wishes to understand the New Testament texts must become familiar with the political, economic, societal, cultural, and religious aspects of Roman rule."
 
Rather, the Holy Bible tells us it's "the higher powers," which is not a construct of men.
In what content are you speaking in.
For there is no other Power But GOD, and God gave the demons and the devil their power and all Governments theirs, whether there be wicked or Bad, or good, God is "SOVEREIGN"!

And we know this is common ordinary common sense that even a baby knows.

NASB 1977 Romans 13: 1
Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

For many people and christians and religious leaders have No idea of "The Power of GOD" and they do Not Believe he Gives "Authority" to every living Creature that has been Created By His Son, "The Lord Jesus Christ" and most of the World did Not believe That He IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LORD OF ALL and everything thing That EXISTs and they obeys Him except The Humans beast, call MANKIND! both male and female!

For mankind are nothing but a host of Liars even The best of US.:pensive:

For we are saved By Grace and not of ourselves, nothing but sinners saved by grace. Sinners is who we are. But are we better than others? No, we are not, but we, are still sinners but we are saved by "grave, by grace" and being perfected By His Grave.:pensive:
 
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For there is no other Power But GOD, and God gave the demons and the devil their power and all Governments theirs, whether there be wicked or Bad, or good, God is "SOVEREIGN"!
Ok, PloughBoy, you've come back with what would be considered your thesis statement, and that's a fair move. However, that blended position is in error, and it's an error that is causing massive hemorrhaging in the body of Christ.

So the problem remains: most do not distinguish righteous government from unrighteous pretenders. Romans 13 is ALL ABOUT righteous government; it gives no life to the unclean thing.
Most are serving the devil while believing with all their heart they are serving Christ. In the end, it is that type who, smiling, will kill the born again believers in God's name:

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (John 16:2)

There's only one Lawgiver, and the government is on his shoulders. And this would be GODLY government - not the counterfeit most ignorantly serve today.

The Word of God is clear; what brings confusion is the words of men i.e. secular (i. e. without God) “authority” and the double-mindedness that results from trying to serve two masters (James 1:8).

We are not "born again into a secular population." We are born again as as new creatures IN CHRIST, strangers in the world, sojourners for Christ, ambassadors of the King of kings.

God’s (our) kingdom is not of this world. We may be in the world, but we are not to be of the world.

And [God] hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6).

It's time to stop making excuses for the creamed coffees and TV remotes. It’s time to walk the talk.
Rather, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you (2 Cor. 6:17).

We’re to avoid (not evade) the things of the world.

Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. (Pro. 4:14-15).

The entire passage in 2 Corinthians is a very clear instruction:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

If your reaction to being told that there are faults in Caesar's statutes is to rush to defend them, it is because you cannot envision life without them. This is normal for someone who can only see one kingdom: the kingdom of this world. Yet this world is passing away, as are our own bodies. There is only one thing in life more certain than Caesar's taxes. So we are really here as a test of whether we can “see” and then choose those things that have eternal value. Are our energies devoted to laying up earthly treasures, or treasures in heaven? Are we slaves devoted to building the kingdom of this world, or are we seeking first the kingdom of God? We cannot even know where to begin unless we can see God's kingdom, which is the true meaning of being born again.

God in his sovereignty has provided the perfect means of testing whether we can make the distinction between the two kingdoms. Caesar has usurped God's authority, but his kingdom is built entirely with our consent and by using legal fictions. His authority over us is imaginary. We do not have to render ourselves to him unless we believe that we belong to him. Most people believe with all their heart that they do, for they cannot see the alternative. But if you know that you belong to God, along with your labor, your family, and everything else you have, then you will already have a deep-seated unease with the multitude of demands Caesar makes on you.

If this is the case, then make a list of those things that rightly belong to God but you have in ignorance given to Caesar. Then develop a plan of action for returning them to their rightful owner. This is not easy, but it is necessary. You will need to learn much more about God's Law so that you can discern what true obedience requires of you. If you trust the State to provide for your needs rather than trusting God, it should be clear which master you are serving. As no man can serve two masters, you have a choice to make. Scripture is clear that obedience to God comes at a price, and we must first count the cost. But once you can see the eternal kingdom, you will realize that any price is worth it.

The kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field (Mat. 13:44).


 
Ok, PloughBoy, you've come back with what would be considered your thesis statement, and that's a fair move. However, that blended position is in error, and it's an error that is causing massive hemorrhaging in the body of Christ.

So the problem remains: most do not distinguish righteous government from unrighteous pretenders. Romans 13 is ALL ABOUT righteous government; it gives no life to the unclean thing.
Most are serving the devil while believing with all their heart they are serving Christ. In the end, it is that type who, smiling, will kill the born again believers in God's name:

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (John 16:2)

There's only one Lawgiver, and the government is on his shoulders. And this would be GODLY government - not the counterfeit most ignorantly serve today.

The Word of God is clear; what brings confusion is the words of men i.e. secular (i. e. without God) “authority” and the double-mindedness that results from trying to serve two masters (James 1:8).

We are not "born again into a secular population." We are born again as as new creatures IN CHRIST, strangers in the world, sojourners for Christ, ambassadors of the King of kings.

God’s (our) kingdom is not of this world. We may be in the world, but we are not to be of the world.

And [God] hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6).

It's time to stop making excuses for the creamed coffees and TV remotes. It’s time to walk the talk.
Rather, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you (2 Cor. 6:17).

We’re to avoid (not evade) the things of the world.

Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. (Pro. 4:14-15).

The entire passage in 2 Corinthians is a very clear instruction:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

If your reaction to being told that there are faults in Caesar's statutes is to rush to defend them, it is because you cannot envision life without them. This is normal for someone who can only see one kingdom: the kingdom of this world. Yet this world is passing away, as are our own bodies. There is only one thing in life more certain than Caesar's taxes. So we are really here as a test of whether we can “see” and then choose those things that have eternal value. Are our energies devoted to laying up earthly treasures, or treasures in heaven? Are we slaves devoted to building the kingdom of this world, or are we seeking first the kingdom of God? We cannot even know where to begin unless we can see God's kingdom, which is the true meaning of being born again.

God in his sovereignty has provided the perfect means of testing whether we can make the distinction between the two kingdoms. Caesar has usurped God's authority, but his kingdom is built entirely with our consent and by using legal fictions. His authority over us is imaginary. We do not have to render ourselves to him unless we believe that we belong to him. Most people believe with all their heart that they do, for they cannot see the alternative. But if you know that you belong to God, along with your labor, your family, and everything else you have, then you will already have a deep-seated unease with the multitude of demands Caesar makes on you.

If this is the case, then make a list of those things that rightly belong to God but you have in ignorance given to Caesar. Then develop a plan of action for returning them to their rightful owner. This is not easy, but it is necessary. You will need to learn much more about God's Law so that you can discern what true obedience requires of you. If you trust the State to provide for your needs rather than trusting God, it should be clear which master you are serving. As no man can serve two masters, you have a choice to make. Scripture is clear that obedience to God comes at a price, and we must first count the cost. But once you can see the eternal kingdom, you will realize that any price is worth it.

The kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field (Mat. 13:44).
1st. I will address your 1st. statement and I do think it will be enough, because the "Leaven" "have contaminated the whole Lump. So in other words "No Need"

your quote:
"Ok, PloughBoy, you've come back with what would be considered your thesis statement, and that's a fair move. However, that blended position is in error, and it's an error that is causing massive hemorrhaging in the body of Christ."
Replying to a "text of Scripture" out of a "Biblical Text" in which I addressed.
The Text of Scripture you copied and targeted :
"For there is no other Power But GOD, and God gave the demons and the devil their power and all Governments theirs, whether there be wicked or Bad, or good, God is "SOVEREIGN"!
Which is a Quote from a "Biblical Text" In "Holy Scripture" that Has "Content" for a Specific purpose and "Mark".

Romans 13 NASB
1Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: For There Is No Power But Of God; And The Powers That Be Are Ordained Of God. 2Therefore he that resisteth the power, with standeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment. 3For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same: 4for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil. 5Wherefore ye must needs be in subjection, not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience'sake. 6For this cause ye pay tribute also; for they are ministers of God's service, attending continually upon this very thing. 7Render to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due ; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. [GOD This SOVEREIGN]
2. The Written Word of GOD, does not need "NO One" to Explain it, It can Explain its self.

3. The Word of GOD needs "No One" to Defend it, It can Defend its Self. and It does not need any help. Especially from a "Corrupted piece of "Dirt" as if a piece of "DIRT" can "Define its Maker" and Give HIM any Aid. "Less any man should Boast" "Now where does the Pride comes from?

Summary
The problem is, there is No problem with "The Word of GOD" The problem is "Believing It and "TRUSTING in it, No Matter, how dark the surroundings are, Even if "The Whole World is "NAILING you To A TREE" and Not one Light is Shinning Through Out The Universe and you Feel All Alone, Not One Ray of Hope, But "TRUST" in What He had said. "As I walked Through The Valley of The Shadow of DEATH for Thou are with me", I cannot see you and I cannot feel you and everybody has left me for dead and alone.

You cannot go where you ain't been.:pensive: I been on this Journey for almost 50 years, non Stop, and I don't mean a church member or being A "Christian" or sitting up in a Sunday school Class and Attending a Weekday Bible Class and Listening to a "Want A Bee" on a "SoapBox". Christians and Church members comes in "RAINBOW" Colors!
and I do not fix in. and I am not trying and I do not "want to bee".:pensive:

Be careful for in this day we may be few, But we are willing To make a stand while we look into the Skies and Looking for "The Hope of Glory"

and we are "the FEW" and not the many. as it was only 8 in Noah days and only 3 in Lots. So will it be In His return. And There will be>

NASB 1977
“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth there when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being cast out. {for what an example]
A lot of Christians have no idea who God is neither who his Only SON is. yet they Use His name and Call on it. But still have no idea who he is, nor The Power He has. Oh yes, all who have been "Born from Above" have met And Experience The Power of "The Parakletos" [Pneumatic] and feeling Him, is all they care to experience. A old saying is Once many receive "The Holy Ghost" They Jump up and run around like a "Bumble Bee" making a lot of noise, Flying around singing "I know" "I know" "I know" not stopping No ware long enough to make any "Honey".

Oh yes this not a new saying In Christianity you all
have been around long enough to know all of this stuff.

There is Nothing "New Under The SUN" even when they Outlawed "Pentecostalism" when it 1st. showed its teeth and brand it as "Heresy" and "Outlawed it". Oh yes this stuff is not new. "there is
Nothing New under the Sun" I learn all this stuff over 40 years ago, Before you get a License to drive a car you got to read the book. and we used to also learn how to do our own "
maintenance" even change a "tire." Girls did too. what man or brother did not learn His Daughter or sister how to change a Tire in no time flat? and change Spark plugs too.

and we are no difference from the very People That Jesus Spoke to, and we lie and say that we are better. we are not better it is By "grace are we saved" and Where sin abounds Grace that much more Abounds" We have been Getting worst not better no such thing as A"GODLY GOVERNMENT" all Governments are "ordained of GOD"

Matthew 15 NIV

3Jesus replied, “And why do you break The Command Of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For GOD said,Honor Your Father And Mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ b 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’ c

and this is not "Cracker Box Theology" of "dime store Theological Thought Patterns that one, picks up in a "Comic Book". stand.

GOD has not Change!! Why do one say, in One Breath "He Is IMMUTABLE then The next Breath that He has "CHANGED"/ He ain't Change, He has mercy in whom He Has Mercy, he is not a MAN, The Father is Not A MAN> Jesus just told us who the Father is But many Do not Believe!


For even The translators and Church leaders can perform a "3 Card Monte" right before your eyes .
 
Ok, PloughBoy, you've come back with what would be considered your thesis statement, and that's a fair move. However, that blended position is in error, and it's an error that is causing massive hemorrhaging in the body of Christ.

So the problem remains: most do not distinguish righteous government from unrighteous pretenders. Romans 13 is ALL ABOUT righteous government; it gives no life to the unclean thing.
Most are serving the devil while believing with all their heart they are serving Christ. In the end, it is that type who, smiling, will kill the born again believers in God's name:

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (John 16:2)

There's only one Lawgiver, and the government is on his shoulders. And this would be GODLY government - not the counterfeit most ignorantly serve today.

The Word of God is clear; what brings confusion is the words of men i.e. secular (i. e. without God) “authority” and the double-mindedness that results from trying to serve two masters (James 1:8).

We are not "born again into a secular population." We are born again as as new creatures IN CHRIST, strangers in the world, sojourners for Christ, ambassadors of the King of kings.

God’s (our) kingdom is not of this world. We may be in the world, but we are not to be of the world.

And [God] hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6).

It's time to stop making excuses for the creamed coffees and TV remotes. It’s time to walk the talk.
Rather, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you (2 Cor. 6:17).

We’re to avoid (not evade) the things of the world.

Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. (Pro. 4:14-15).

The entire passage in 2 Corinthians is a very clear instruction:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

If your reaction to being told that there are faults in Caesar's statutes is to rush to defend them, it is because you cannot envision life without them. This is normal for someone who can only see one kingdom: the kingdom of this world. Yet this world is passing away, as are our own bodies. There is only one thing in life more certain than Caesar's taxes. So we are really here as a test of whether we can “see” and then choose those things that have eternal value. Are our energies devoted to laying up earthly treasures, or treasures in heaven? Are we slaves devoted to building the kingdom of this world, or are we seeking first the kingdom of God? We cannot even know where to begin unless we can see God's kingdom, which is the true meaning of being born again.

God in his sovereignty has provided the perfect means of testing whether we can make the distinction between the two kingdoms. Caesar has usurped God's authority, but his kingdom is built entirely with our consent and by using legal fictions. His authority over us is imaginary. We do not have to render ourselves to him unless we believe that we belong to him. Most people believe with all their heart that they do, for they cannot see the alternative. But if you know that you belong to God, along with your labor, your family, and everything else you have, then you will already have a deep-seated unease with the multitude of demands Caesar makes on you.

If this is the case, then make a list of those things that rightly belong to God but you have in ignorance given to Caesar. Then develop a plan of action for returning them to their rightful owner. This is not easy, but it is necessary. You will need to learn much more about God's Law so that you can discern what true obedience requires of you. If you trust the State to provide for your needs rather than trusting God, it should be clear which master you are serving. As no man can serve two masters, you have a choice to make. Scripture is clear that obedience to God comes at a price, and we must first count the cost. But once you can see the eternal kingdom, you will realize that any price is worth it.

The kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field (Mat. 13:44).
your quote:
"an error that is causing massive hemorrhaging in the body of Christ.":eyes:

where did you pick that stone up at?:sob::laughing::laughing: Have you been eating from that tree...ff.
 
What is government?

"A government is the system or group of people governing an organized community, generally a state. In the case of its broad associative definition, government normally consists of legislature, executive, and judiciary. Wikipedia"


What is "Jewish AUTHORITIES"?

"Rabbinic authority in Judaism relates to the theological and communal authority attributed to rabbis and their pronouncements in matters of Jewish law. The extent of rabbinic authority differs by various Jewish groups and denominations throughout history."

Rabbinic authority - Wikipedia


Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Rabbinic_authority
What did the Roman Government Consists of?
"The Roman Republic was a democracy. Its government consisted of the Senate and four assemblies: the Comitia Curiata, the Comitia Centuriata, the Concilium Plebis, and the Comitia Tributa.Apr 26, 2023"

Roman Republic | Definition, Dates, History, Government, Map ...


Encyclopedia Britannica
https://www.britannica.com › place › Roman-Republic



What Government were the
"Jewish AUTHORITIES"? under? Roman.

have you forgot "BOB" I have done my "Homework" so many years ago, so I have done my research when I was young I go on memory now, and I am amazed how much I remember at my age, It has to be "GOD" I go on ancient old study habits in which I did my research many years ago. Because the old theologians of the old school took me to the task, and they made me cry many times when I addressed them and they told me to GO Back and get it right then come back because you are as "GREEN as S___" and they meant it in the church, and I cried and I cried, they beat me up concerning the "TRUTH" for they even confessed That GOD told Them to lighten up on me! They said what GOD told Them, and they did. and they told me God only have to tell us one time, and that he meant it too! PASTORS told me this! when I was young. in my twenties!
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


Twistie :broken_heart:
 
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


Twistie :broken_heart:
We are also to remember that we must resist a government that commands or compels evil and should work nonviolently within the laws of the land.

Like umm brother Daniel we see how they tried to force him to bow to the statue when the music played.

He didn't scream n yell he didn't try n hurt another ova it he simply kept worshipping YH n there a more written

He is so simple a child can understand yet grown ups wanna like debate

I don't understand Plough

We must pray for spiritual Strength we all must for what is coming n what is coming I am not sure n when it's coming I am not sure but I am sure I Heard Him say Tell them Tell them to start praying for spiritual Strength...


So many either chasing worldly things


My Spirit starts to tremble when I think of what I've been shown n I'm not sure why....


Gotta go ponder .....


Hope all's well Plough....


Twistie :broken_heart: :(
 
The Pharisees and Sadducees and the Religious rulers always went against The Government and wanted Jesus to become their King and Go up against The Roman Government too. Many times the Roman government had to protect Paul and even send an Army of Soldiers to Keep God's people from killing him, because he Preached Jesus and The resurrection of the Dead.
 
The Pharisees and Sadducees and the Religious rulers always went against The Government and wanted Jesus to become their King and Go up against The Roman Government too. Many times the Roman government had to protect Paul and even send an Army of Soldiers to Keep God's people from killing him, because he Preached Jesus and The resurrection of the Dead.
I dont think the Pharisees wanted him as their King. Thats why they had him killed wasnt it?
 
Just because it's OLD doesn't mean that it means anything.
YH is spirit so many lost they see with the fleshy eyes The Old Testament is as relevant as the New

We Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

And also YH tells us

Man does not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds Out of YH

Idk J.S

Hope all's well wit ya Bob:grinning:

Twistie :broken_heart:
 
I dont think the Pharisees wanted him as their King. Thats why they had him killed wasnt it?
So true, No Religious Ruler or leader of any kind of authority then and today, wants God to interfere on Their "Authority"
But the people of God would rather have Jesus King over them than have the Religious Rulers or The Roman Caesar Be King over them.
I would rather have a Healer that I do not have to buy medicine or grow a crop or Fish all day for fish to eat and I do not have to pay taxes or be lock up in a jail. For Only thing we have to do with Jesus is Just sit down and listen to what he has to say. and then go home and come back the next morning.

Now Caesar and The Religious Rulers will not like that, No Tithe , no offering, no Temple Tax and no free will offerings in the Temple court. and No slaves.

or course what did the Parable say:


New King James Version Matthew 21:38
But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’

Matthew 26:3,4
Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, …

Matthew 27:1,2
When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: …

Matthew 27:20
But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

Matthew 21:39
So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

Christians especially Members of Churches will easily Betray "JESUS" and choose Barabbas, A Known fact. "Groups are more Rowdy than a person" Mobs are like a group of horses can easily be driven in any way you please. In my younger years we used to do it in Evening Church services to prove we are no different from those who Crucified Jesus, even those who are born again. We did stuff like that to show members how we still are and can be lead as Sheep going into The slaughter. and after we had lead them then we showed them what had happen, and they knew it was wrong before the made the decision, no different than a "Jury Room" . how the church people condemns the innocent and know that they are innocent. and how many lies are formed by so called religious and godly people. Buthey straight lie with straight face and do not know they had lied and condemn a Innocence person on purpose. And did not know it. and we showed him or her how they had lied with proof to convince them they had lied.


We did a lot of stuff like that when we were young Ministers in The church. Young people had some good idea into leading us in "Holiness Living" and Proof reading our own faults, in order to Critique our own selves before making a wrong decision, and able to explain if mis understood as well, and by having Debates and playing both sides, "The PRO and THE CON".

And The real answer to your question, bottom line.

I dont think the Pharisees wanted him as their King. Thats why they had him killed wasnt it?

It was GOD the FATHER who Wanted Him Killed and for them to kill him. And they knew it, But They did not know why, If they did, They would not had killed Him.:pensive:

They didn't know.
1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
 
When our brother Paul was accused by the Jews of persuading men to worship God contrary to the law, the courts of law of the Roman Government refused to judge religious matters, because they recognized they had no authority to judge in matters of "religious freedom" (Acts 18:12-16), as did the governments before Christ (Jeremiah 38:4-5).

There is not one time in scripture where Christ ever submitted to the Roman Imperial law. Period! He said his true family are not his blood relatives, but only those who "shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 12:50). Jesus Christ, nor any servant of God for that matter, has never, ever, never, ever said anything about doing the "will of man on earth", only the "will of your Father which is in heaven."
Many times the Roman government had to protect Paul and even send an Army of Soldiers to Keep God's people from killing him, because he Preached Jesus and The resurrection of the Dead.
Here's a powerful example of a servant of Christ dealing with an onerous law enforcement framework. Throughout the whole book of Acts and his ministry, Paul not only dealt effectively with the local and Federal law enforcement community, he thrived within it. Paul, at one time was a law enforcer, an officer representing a governing body, as we see recorded in the beginning of Acts 9 where he was given authority by the Jewish religious high command to bring any Christians he found, bound to Jerusalem (before the Lord “recruited” him on the road to Damascus). So it's true he might of had some pre-existing sympathy for the cops.

We read about one notable example of Paul in custody, the way he and Silas responded to it, and then the way Paul responded to the Phillipian jailer (Acts16: 25-30). If Paul had hated the cops, if he had an attitude of disrespect and contempt for them, he would surely have said nothing as this honorable jailer had committed suicide for his misguided belief he had let his prisoners escape. But Paul stopped him. Paul and Silas ended up witnessing to this, what would be a modern day “correctional officer,” and leading him and his house to the Lord. In Paul's mind, law enforcers were not enemies or people to be avoided and mistrusted, but people who he saw needed a real and dynamic relationship with the Lord, like everybody else.

Another example, in Acts 21, we see where Paul had found himself in the middle of a near riot situation as the Jews of the city were enraged at him. As they were in the process of pounding him into a bloody pulp, the local law enforcers strode in there, probably in full armor (riot gear) prepared for crowd control, and quite literally had to carry him out on their shoulders (Acts 21:33-35).

Was Paul glad to see the local cops? I'm sure he was! I'm sure he was quite gratified to see these law men muscling through the crowd, shouting commands and shoving people aside to get to him. I'm sure he realized after that, that the Lord had Providentially protected him through these law enforcers so that he could continue on with his ministry. It possibly could have been all over right there. But the Lord used the Feds to protect him.

Another example we see of Paul's attitude towards the Federal law enforcement community and, indeed, their established respect and trust of him, can be seen in the account of the shipwreck in Acts 27. Indeed, we read that the Centurion, Julius, in charge of the prisoners and before the departure, “... courteously entreated Paul, and gave him liberty to go unto his friends to refresh himself.” What a wonderful thing! How many Federal or Local cops would let a prisoner in custody do that?! The great trust between these people is undeniable.

As the journey by ship took place, we see that a great storm overtook them, yet with Paul's counsel, that encouragement being received from the “Angel of God,” they grounded the ship on the island of Melita. The soldiers in charge of the prisoners wanted to kill them, lest they escape, but the relationship Paul had established with the Centurion, the senior officer in charge, prevented that also.

When Paul finally made it to Rome, we see the Centurion “delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard: but Paul was suffered to dwell by himself with a soldier that kept him.” Protective custody. In the final chapter of Acts, we see that Paul's reputation, integrity, and his open relationship with the Roman Federal law enforcement community served him well, even for many years afterwards.

As I have laid out, the policy and precedent of Jesus and Paul concerning interaction with law enforcement, both Local and Federal, is pretty clear. The Lord used the Feds to Providentially protect His people, and His work, and saved Paul's' skin more than once. One day He may use them to save yours.
We are also to remember that we must resist a government that commands or compels evil and should work nonviolently within the laws of the land.
Twistie, "the law of the land" is God's Law! It's not some construct separate from God. The "separation of church and state" is a lie. There is only one Lawgiver.

Our Lord taught us to resist evil when he said, "turn the other cheek" (Matthew 5:39). Resist evil and it will flee from you (James 4:7). We are not taught to overthrow the government, but to throw the wickedness out of government. We are to overthrow that which is ungodly and wicked by speaking the truth, and establish in its place that which is godly and holy. The only lawful government is that which governs according to God's Word.

There is no command in the Word of God to confess the State to the glory of the State:

Romans 14:11-12, "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee [*including governing authorities] shall bow to me [*not to ungodly men, i.e. politicians], and every tongue shall confess to God [*not to legislators, lawyers, and judges]. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God [*not to the State, or men working for an ungodly government]."

Philippians 2:9-11, "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus [*not the President, Governor, or the State] every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [*not the State, or men using the artifice of the State] is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him [*not for self-willed men]:"

Proverbs 17:15, "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD."

Luke 17:21, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you [*not on a sheet of paper with man-made codes, rules, regulations, ordinances and statutes]."

We have been taught that we must obey even ungodly governments, and to help them by paying taxes, but scripture says, "...Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD" (2 Chronicles 19:2). Jesus himself was accused of forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar at his trial (Luke 23:2). Notice these were not false witnesses who accused Jesus of not paying taxes, because every time a false witness accused Jesus, the scripture tells us it was a false witness (Mark 14:57-59).

The scripture says it is evil in the sight of the Lord for governments to tax the land (2 Kings 23:35-37). The earth does not belong to the government, this earth belongs to God (Exodus 19:5, Psalm 24:1, Isaiah 44:24, 2 Corinthians 5:18). Land tax is claiming ownership over God’s earth. It is literally a dethronement of God and an enthronement of the State. The State is claiming to be god by claiming control and ownership of land. The State is literally trying to be god walking the earth. God has never given his earth to the government to tax, pollute, or destroy (1 Kings 21:1-16).

Romans 13:1-10 explains the government which applies to the bondmen of Christ. Our Father has ordained rulers, and those rulers have responsibilities before Him. Unfortunately, many interpret this chapter to mean we are to obey all governments, no matter how ungodly they are. However, this cannot mean we are to roll over and submit to governing authorities, because if that's the case, Jesus himself violated Romans 13. They crucified him unlawfully, and there's a case where Christ did the will of the Father, and that brought him into conflict with the powers that be. Just because God ordains government for His purposes, it does not mean it is a godly government. He does use evil to draw people closer to Him.

Here’s a little food for thought:

Who wrote the book of Romans? Paul
Where did Paul write Romans? In prison.
Where did Paul write most of his Epistles? In prison.
What is another name to describe the epistles of Paul? The "Prison Epistles".
Why are they known as the "Prison Epistles"? Because Paul was being repeatedly arrested and imprisoned by the "governing authorities."
Why was Paul being repeatedly arrested? Because he kept breaking the laws of the "governing authorities."
Who put Jesus to death? The government of Rome.
Who put Paul to death? The Emperor Nero at Rome in AD 67.
Who killed most of the apostles? The governing authorities.
Did Jesus and the apostles obey the "governing authorities" of their day? Obviously not.

If Paul, in Romans 13, was saying to "obey all governments" then Jesus, the apostles, and all the disciples were hypocrites, because they all lived their life by placing God’s Law above man-made laws!

Some people claim that the reason Paul was being repeatedly arrested and imprisoned by the "governing authorities" was because he would not confess that Caesar was his lord. This is not true, because one immediately received the death penalty for not doing so. Obviously, Paul was never directly asked to do so until they executed him in Rome in 67 A.D.

Some people claim that the reason our brother Paul was being repeatedly arrested and imprisoned by the "governing authorities" was because he was "preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ." This is not true. The Romans worshipped hundreds of different gods; they had a different god for every thing and every occasion. One more "god" would not have mattered to them.

Here is proof that the Romans did not imprison Paul for preaching about Jesus Christ. In Acts 18, the Jews brought Paul before the tribunal of the Roman Government of Achaia (a Greek province under Roman rule) on the charge of persuading men to worship Jesus (verse 13). The Roman court (Gallio) refused to judge religious matters (verse 15), and "drave them from the judgment seat" (verse 16). This scriptural passage is proof that Rome did not judge people for preaching another god. So why was Paul repeatedly imprisoned by the governing authorities? Paul was in prison for violating the Roman government's law (which are in opposition to God's Law), because Jesus commanded his followers to be separate from Caesar.

After all, if Paul was in jail because he was preaching about Christ Jesus, then the governing authorities would never have allowed Paul to write letters (epistles) concerning Jesus while in prison, and then allow him to take his writings about Jesus out of prison to publish and spread them throughout the then known world. This, again, evidences that they did not forbid preaching Jesus, and that Paul was in jail, not for preaching Christ's Kingdom, but for disobeying the governing authorities in other matters.

Now, for those who believe that Paul was saying to obey all governments at Romans 13, one must also believe that our brother Paul was a hypocrite, for he constantly disobeyed the governing authorities and was repeatedly arrested and imprisoned for doing so. For those who believe that Paul was not a hypocrite, then we must believe that Paul was saying something quite different at Romans 13. With this in mind, let us take a look at the first six passages of Romans 13.

Does verse 1 say, "let every soul be subject unto all governments"? Or does it say, "let every soul (including governing authorities such as kings, judges, police, etc.) be subject unto the Higher Power"? Who do souls belong to? God says:

Eze. 18:4, "Behold, all souls are mine."

And the second part of verse 1 tells us Who the Higher Power is: "...For there is no power but of God."

The souls of the governmental powers belong to God, and they are not the higher powers, the higher powers are held by Christ himself (Matthew 28:18). Is our Lord not the higher power, then, if all power has been committed unto him (John 17:2)? Christ is the governor among the nations (Psalms 22:28). All power over earthly kings has been given unto Him (Romans 14:9). All judgment has been given unto Him (John 5:22,27). Notice the separation of Power in Romans 13:1. All power comes from, and belongs to, God (Psalm 62:11) and not the one exercising it. And remember that most men, especially those constituting the "governing authorities," usually deny that power given to Jesus (2 Timothy 3:5).

Verse 2 says, "Whosoever therefore resisteth (Greek word #498 antitassomai) the power, resisteth (Greek word #436 anthistemi) the ordinance of God:" The words "resisteth" in this verse are from two completely different Greek words with two different meanings. Let's look into the first word "resisteth" by going to the original Greek. To "resist" the power of rulers ordained by God means the following:

"antitassomai: To range in battle against" (Thayer's Greek Lexicon).
"antitassomai: To set an army in array against; to arrange in battle order" (Zodhiates Word Studies).
"antitassomai: Setteth himself in array against; as one draws out a host for battle. Implying an organized or concerted resistance" (Vincent's Word Studies).
"antitassomai: To range in battle against" (Strong's Greek Lexicon).

This is in accord with these passages:

2 Corinthians 10:3-4, "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)."
Ephesians 6:11-12, "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians goes on to list all of our spiritual weapons. Notice, there are no physical weapons listed. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, so when you use carnal weapons against the governing power ordained by God, then you are resisting the ordinance of God.

Ecclesiastes 9:18, "Wisdom is better than weapons of war: and one sinner will destroy much good."

Now the meaning of the second term, "resisteth the ordinance of God" simply means "to set one's self against, to withstand, resist, oppose." In other words, the first "resisteth" means to use physical weapons in battle against an ordained power, which would result in the second "resisteth," which means to oppose the will of God (with no physical weapons).

Verse 3 says God ordained governments, but the only power He gave to "governing authorities" is to punish evil-doers and reward the doers of good (John 18:23, Romans 13:3-4, 1 Peter 2:14). The definition of good and evil is defined in the scripture. God did not give government the power to interfere with, and interpose itself in, the exercising of God's Law by His people.

Verse 4 says rulers are to be Ministers of God, servants of God. If rulers are not the servants of God, if they do not follow and obey His Word, no obedience is due to them. And how do we know if they are servants of God? By testing them with God's word (Isaiah 8:20, Matthew 12:30, Mark 7:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, Titus 1:14, 1 John 4:1, 3 John 1:11, Acts 17:11, 2 Timothy 2:15). God's purpose for all governments is to be "a minister of God to thee for good."

Verse 6 says we are to pay taxes to the government for one reason only; because they are God's ministers. If a government uses tax money that go contrary to God's Will, then they are no longer ministers of God, and thus no taxes are due to them (Ezra 4:12-13).

Their purpose is to punish evil doers as a rod of correction to drive them back to the ways of the Lord, and to encourage the righteous. They are to be ministers of God, meaning they are to carry out the duties that God has given them. But when the governing authorities ever fail to do this, or go beyond this, then they themselves are resisting the ordinances of God, and are unlawful authorities that must be "resisted" with the Sword of the Word.

It is important to take into consideration that Romans 13 was intended to be prescriptive, not descriptive. In other words, it speaks of what the "rulers" are supposed to be, not what they are intrinsically at all times. As "God's minister," the men who govern (the powers that be) are obligated to obey God's Law and to properly apply it to the nation and people which it governs. Conversely, any time the "governors" becomes "a terror to good works," and rewards evil rather than punishing it, they have then begun to "bear the sword in vain." To this extent, he is no longer "a minister of God to thee for good" and it is our duty to resist his unlawful rule as we would the rule of Satan himself.

To say that God may deliver His people over to an oppressive government as chastisement for sin is one thing; to say that we are to deliver ourselves and our consciences to that which is contrary to God's Word is quite another. To say that the laws of the temporal government, whether they be "good or evil" (moral), are unequivocally the "ordinances of God," is not merely naive, but a blasphemous affront to the holiness of God and His Word. The righteous and eternal Judge of the world simply cannot be charged with requiring us to obey contradictory commands.

God never commanded people to obey the kings of Israel when those kings turned their backs on Him. Our Father put those people into captivity for their disobedience towards Him! And He does the same today.

The Nazi's at Nuremberg said, "Well, I was just doing my job. I was obeying the government." It's an error to believe that whatever the State says is okay "because it's ordained of God." For those who are true followers of Christ Jesus, the government is on His shoulders (Isaiah 9:6), He is the King of kings, and the government is the Kingdom of God. It's a government of peace and the only government that will not end:

Isaiah 9:7, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,"

All man-made governments come to an end, so they are obviously not the "higher power." We have to obey the government that's always been here and always will be here.

In reply to the blind opinion that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained" by God, we will quote the following passage, which is spoken into the ears of Hosea by God Almighty Himself:

Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

We pray that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will no longer engage in such opinions.

One way to test whether or not a man-made law is godly or not is to test it with the following. Ask yourself, "Does this law punish evil-doers and praise or reward doers of good?" For example, consider the driver license law. Does the requirement for a drivers license punish evil or reward good? No, it does not. The traffic courts might do this, but not the license itself. Therefore, since God only gave His "governing authorities" the power to punish evil and reward good, this man-made law is outside of God's delegated authority, and no obedience is required if you live, move, and have your being in Him. Thus, I do not have a driver licence.

Another question you can ask is, "Will this Law, being imposed by man, help me walk in God's Truth?" If it is a godly law, it will. But most man made laws do not bring anyone to the Truth, nor can they.
 
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When our brother Paul was accused by the Jews of persuading men to worship God contrary to the law, the courts of law of the Roman Government refused to judge religious matters, because they recognized they had no authority to judge in matters of "religious freedom" (Acts 18:12-16), as did the governments before Christ (Jeremiah 38:4-5).

There is not one time in scripture where Christ ever submitted to the Roman Imperial law. Period! He said his true family are not his blood relatives, but only those who "shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 12:50). Jesus Christ, nor any servant of God for that matter, has never, ever, never, ever said anything about doing the "will of man on earth", only the "will of your Father which is in heaven."

Here's a powerful example of a servant of Christ dealing with an onerous law enforcement framework. Throughout the whole book of Acts and his ministry, Paul not only dealt effectively with the local and Federal law enforcement community, he thrived within it. Paul, at one time was a law enforcer, an officer representing a governing body, as we see recorded in the beginning of Acts 9 where he was given authority by the Jewish religious high command to bring any Christians he found, bound to Jerusalem (before the Lord “recruited” him on the road to Damascus). So it's true he might of had some pre-existing sympathy for the cops.

We read about one notable example of Paul in custody, the way he and Silas responded to it, and then the way Paul responded to the Phillipian jailer (Acts16: 25-30). If Paul had hated the cops, if he had an attitude of disrespect and contempt for them, he would surely have said nothing as this honorable jailer had committed suicide for his misguided belief he had let his prisoners escape. But Paul stopped him. Paul and Silas ended up witnessing to this, what would be a modern day “correctional officer,” and leading him and his house to the Lord. In Paul's mind, law enforcers were not enemies or people to be avoided and mistrusted, but people who he saw needed a real and dynamic relationship with the Lord, like everybody else.

Another example, in Acts 21, we see where Paul had found himself in the middle of a near riot situation as the Jews of the city were enraged at him. As they were in the process of pounding him into a bloody pulp, the local law enforcers strode in there, probably in full armor (riot gear) prepared for crowd control, and quite literally had to carry him out on their shoulders (Acts 21:33-35).

Was Paul glad to see the local cops? I'm sure he was! I'm sure he was quite gratified to see these law men muscling through the crowd, shouting commands and shoving people aside to get to him. I'm sure he realized after that, that the Lord had Providentially protected him through these law enforcers so that he could continue on with his ministry. It possibly could have been all over right there. But the Lord used the Feds to protect him.

Another example we see of Paul's attitude towards the Federal law enforcement community and, indeed, their established respect and trust of him, can be seen in the account of the shipwreck in Acts 27. Indeed, we read that the Centurion, Julius, in charge of the prisoners and before the departure, “... courteously entreated Paul, and gave him liberty to go unto his friends to refresh himself.” What a wonderful thing! How many Federal or Local cops would let a prisoner in custody do that?! The great trust between these people is undeniable.

As the journey by ship took place, we see that a great storm overtook them, yet with Paul's counsel, that encouragement being received from the “Angel of God,” they grounded the ship on the island of Melita. The soldiers in charge of the prisoners wanted to kill them, lest they escape, but the relationship Paul had established with the Centurion, the senior officer in charge, prevented that also.

When Paul finally made it to Rome, we see the Centurion “delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard: but Paul was suffered to dwell by himself with a soldier that kept him.” Protective custody. In the final chapter of Acts, we see that Paul's reputation, integrity, and his open relationship with the Roman Federal law enforcement community served him well, even for many years afterwards.

As I have laid out, the policy and precedent of Jesus and Paul concerning interaction with law enforcement, both Local and Federal, is pretty clear. The Lord used the Feds to Providentially protect His people, and His work, and saved Paul's' skin more than once. One day He may use them to save yours.

Twistie, "the law of the land" is God's Law! It's not some construct separate from God. The "separation of church and state" is a lie. There is only one Lawgiver.

Our Lord taught us to resist evil when he said, "turn the other cheek" (Matthew 5:39). Resist evil and it will flee from you (James 4:7). We are not taught to overthrow the government, but to throw the wickedness out of government. We are to overthrow that which is ungodly and wicked by speaking the truth, and establish in its place that which is godly and holy. The only lawful government is that which governs according to God's Word.

There is no command in the Word of God to confess the State to the glory of the State:

Romans 14:11-12, "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee [*including governing authorities] shall bow to me [*not to ungodly men, i.e. politicians], and every tongue shall confess to God [*not to legislators, lawyers, and judges]. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God [*not to the State, or men working for an ungodly government]."

Philippians 2:9-11, "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus [*not the President, Governor, or the State] every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [*not the State, or men using the artifice of the State] is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him [*not for self-willed men]:"

Proverbs 17:15, "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD."

Luke 17:21, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you [*not on a sheet of paper with man-made codes, rules, regulations, ordinances and statutes]."

We have been taught that we must obey even ungodly governments, and to help them by paying taxes, but scripture says, "...Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD" (2 Chronicles 19:2). Jesus himself was accused of forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar at his trial (Luke 23:2). Notice these were not false witnesses who accused Jesus of not paying taxes, because every time a false witness accused Jesus, the scripture tells us it was a false witness (Mark 14:57-59).

The scripture says it is evil in the sight of the Lord for governments to tax the land (2 Kings 23:35-37). The earth does not belong to the government, this earth belongs to God (Exodus 19:5, Psalm 24:1, Isaiah 44:24, 2 Corinthians 5:18). Land tax is claiming ownership over God’s earth. It is literally a dethronement of God and an enthronement of the State. The State is claiming to be god by claiming control and ownership of land. The State is literally trying to be god walking the earth. God has never given his earth to the government to tax, pollute, or destroy (1 Kings 21:1-16).

Romans 13:1-10 explains the government which applies to the bondmen of Christ. Our Father has ordained rulers, and those rulers have responsibilities before Him. Unfortunately, many interpret this chapter to mean we are to obey all governments, no matter how ungodly they are. However, this cannot mean we are to roll over and submit to governing authorities, because if that's the case, Jesus himself violated Romans 13. They crucified him unlawfully, and there's a case where Christ did the will of the Father, and that brought him into conflict with the powers that be. Just because God ordains government for His purposes, it does not mean it is a godly government. He does use evil to draw people closer to Him.

Here’s a little food for thought:

Who wrote the book of Romans? Paul
Where did Paul write Romans? In prison.
Where did Paul write most of his Epistles? In prison.
What is another name to describe the epistles of Paul? The "Prison Epistles".
Why are they known as the "Prison Epistles"? Because Paul was being repeatedly arrested and imprisoned by the "governing authorities."
Why was Paul being repeatedly arrested? Because he kept breaking the laws of the "governing authorities."
Who put Jesus to death? The government of Rome.
Who put Paul to death? The Emperor Nero at Rome in AD 67.
Who killed most of the apostles? The governing authorities.
Did Jesus and the apostles obey the "governing authorities" of their day? Obviously not.

If Paul, in Romans 13, was saying to "obey all governments" then Jesus, the apostles, and all the disciples were hypocrites, because they all lived their life by placing God’s Law above man-made laws!

Some people claim that the reason Paul was being repeatedly arrested and imprisoned by the "governing authorities" was because he would not confess that Caesar was his lord. This is not true, because one immediately received the death penalty for not doing so. Obviously, Paul was never directly asked to do so until they executed him in Rome in 67 A.D.

Some people claim that the reason our brother Paul was being repeatedly arrested and imprisoned by the "governing authorities" was because he was "preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ." This is not true. The Romans worshipped hundreds of different gods; they had a different god for every thing and every occasion. One more "god" would not have mattered to them.

Here is proof that the Romans did not imprison Paul for preaching about Jesus Christ. In Acts 18, the Jews brought Paul before the tribunal of the Roman Government of Achaia (a Greek province under Roman rule) on the charge of persuading men to worship Jesus (verse 13). The Roman court (Gallio) refused to judge religious matters (verse 15), and "drave them from the judgment seat" (verse 16). This scriptural passage is proof that Rome did not judge people for preaching another god. So why was Paul repeatedly imprisoned by the governing authorities? Paul was in prison for violating the Roman government's law (which are in opposition to God's Law), because Jesus commanded his followers to be separate from Caesar.

After all, if Paul was in jail because he was preaching about Christ Jesus, then the governing authorities would never have allowed Paul to write letters (epistles) concerning Jesus while in prison, and then allow him to take his writings about Jesus out of prison to publish and spread them throughout the then known world. This, again, evidences that they did not forbid preaching Jesus, and that Paul was in jail, not for preaching Christ's Kingdom, but for disobeying the governing authorities in other matters.

Now, for those who believe that Paul was saying to obey all governments at Romans 13, one must also believe that our brother Paul was a hypocrite, for he constantly disobeyed the governing authorities and was repeatedly arrested and imprisoned for doing so. For those who believe that Paul was not a hypocrite, then we must believe that Paul was saying something quite different at Romans 13. With this in mind, let us take a look at the first six passages of Romans 13.

Does verse 1 say, "let every soul be subject unto all governments"? Or does it say, "let every soul (including governing authorities such as kings, judges, police, etc.) be subject unto the Higher Power"? Who do souls belong to? God says:

Eze. 18:4, "Behold, all souls are mine."

And the second part of verse 1 tells us Who the Higher Power is: "...For there is no power but of God."

The souls of the governmental powers belong to God, and they are not the higher powers, the higher powers are held by Christ himself (Matthew 28:18). Is our Lord not the higher power, then, if all power has been committed unto him (John 17:2)? Christ is the governor among the nations (Psalms 22:28). All power over earthly kings has been given unto Him (Romans 14:9). All judgment has been given unto Him (John 5:22,27). Notice the separation of Power in Romans 13:1. All power comes from, and belongs to, God (Psalm 62:11) and not the one exercising it. And remember that most men, especially those constituting the "governing authorities," usually deny that power given to Jesus (2 Timothy 3:5).

Verse 2 says, "Whosoever therefore resisteth (Greek word #498 antitassomai) the power, resisteth (Greek word #436 anthistemi) the ordinance of God:" The words "resisteth" in this verse are from two completely different Greek words with two different meanings. Let's look into the first word "resisteth" by going to the original Greek. To "resist" the power of rulers ordained by God means the following:

"antitassomai: To range in battle against" (Thayer's Greek Lexicon).
"antitassomai: To set an army in array against; to arrange in battle order" (Zodhiates Word Studies).
"antitassomai: Setteth himself in array against; as one draws out a host for battle. Implying an organized or concerted resistance" (Vincent's Word Studies).
"antitassomai: To range in battle against" (Strong's Greek Lexicon).

This is in accord with these passages:

2 Corinthians 10:3-4, "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)."
Ephesians 6:11-12, "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians goes on to list all of our spiritual weapons. Notice, there are no physical weapons listed. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, so when you use carnal weapons against the governing power ordained by God, then you are resisting the ordinance of God.

Ecclesiastes 9:18, "Wisdom is better than weapons of war: and one sinner will destroy much good."

Now the meaning of the second term, "resisteth the ordinance of God" simply means "to set one's self against, to withstand, resist, oppose." In other words, the first "resisteth" means to use physical weapons in battle against an ordained power, which would result in the second "resisteth," which means to oppose the will of God (with no physical weapons).

Verse 3 says God ordained governments, but the only power He gave to "governing authorities" is to punish evil-doers and reward the doers of good (John 18:23, Romans 13:3-4, 1 Peter 2:14). The definition of good and evil is defined in the scripture. God did not give government the power to interfere with, and interpose itself in, the exercising of God's Law by His people.

Verse 4 says rulers are to be Ministers of God, servants of God. If rulers are not the servants of God, if they do not follow and obey His Word, no obedience is due to them. And how do we know if they are servants of God? By testing them with God's word (Isaiah 8:20, Matthew 12:30, Mark 7:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, Titus 1:14, 1 John 4:1, 3 John 1:11, Acts 17:11, 2 Timothy 2:15). God's purpose for all governments is to be "a minister of God to thee for good."

Verse 6 says we are to pay taxes to the government for one reason only; because they are God's ministers. If a government uses tax money that go contrary to God's Will, then they are no longer ministers of God, and thus no taxes are due to them (Ezra 4:12-13).

Their purpose is to punish evil doers as a rod of correction to drive them back to the ways of the Lord, and to encourage the righteous. They are to be ministers of God, meaning they are to carry out the duties that God has given them. But when the governing authorities ever fail to do this, or go beyond this, then they themselves are resisting the ordinances of God, and are unlawful authorities that must be "resisted" with the Sword of the Word.

It is important to take into consideration that Romans 13 was intended to be prescriptive, not descriptive. In other words, it speaks of what the "rulers" are supposed to be, not what they are intrinsically at all times. As "God's minister," the men who govern (the powers that be) are obligated to obey God's Law and to properly apply it to the nation and people which it governs. Conversely, any time the "governors" becomes "a terror to good works," and rewards evil rather than punishing it, they have then begun to "bear the sword in vain." To this extent, he is no longer "a minister of God to thee for good" and it is our duty to resist his unlawful rule as we would the rule of Satan himself.

To say that God may deliver His people over to an oppressive government as chastisement for sin is one thing; to say that we are to deliver ourselves and our consciences to that which is contrary to God's Word is quite another. To say that the laws of the temporal government, whether they be "good or evil" (moral), are unequivocally the "ordinances of God," is not merely naive, but a blasphemous affront to the holiness of God and His Word. The righteous and eternal Judge of the world simply cannot be charged with requiring us to obey contradictory commands.

God never commanded people to obey the kings of Israel when those kings turned their backs on Him. Our Father put those people into captivity for their disobedience towards Him! And He does the same today.

The Nazi's at Nuremberg said, "Well, I was just doing my job. I was obeying the government." It's an error to believe that whatever the State says is okay "because it's ordained of God." For those who are true followers of Christ Jesus, the government is on His shoulders (Isaiah 9:6), He is the King of kings, and the government is the Kingdom of God. It's a government of peace and the only government that will not end:

Isaiah 9:7, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,"

All man-made governments come to an end, so they are obviously not the "higher power." We have to obey the government that's always been here and always will be here.

In reply to the blind opinion that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained" by God, we will quote the following passage, which is spoken into the ears of Hosea by God Almighty Himself:

Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

We pray that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will no longer engage in such opinions.

One way to test whether or not a man-made law is godly or not is to test it with the following. Ask yourself, "Does this law punish evil-doers and praise or reward doers of good?" For example, consider the driver license law. Does the requirement for a drivers license punish evil or reward good? No, it does not. The traffic courts might do this, but not the license itself. Therefore, since God only gave His "governing authorities" the power to punish evil and reward good, this man-made law is outside of God's delegated authority, and no obedience is required if you live, move, and have your being in Him. Thus, I do not have a driver licence.

Another question you can ask is, "Will this Law, being imposed by man, help me walk in God's Truth?" If it is a godly law, it will. But most man made laws do not bring anyone to the Truth, nor can they.
All's I know I will not bow to no other god then YH regardless of the law of the Land

YH has instilled in us to know what goes against Him n no where does He tell me that if the Law of the Land goes Against the Laws of YH to follow man ova YH

I will not turn Left Nor Right imma keep my eyes On YH n YH alone regardless of what man says to b honest

Many r gonna bow to the beast because of the law of the Land that is coming soon to a neighborhood near u so to say n I won't b one of them

Twistie :broken_heart:
 
Many r gonna bow to the beast because of the law of the Land that is coming soon to a neighborhood near u so to say n I won't b one of them
Indeed, the majority already continue to "bow to the beast," believing they are serving God but are in reality serving Satan.
 
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