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If sins are forgiven, how will Christians be judged?

Johann

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On...If sins are forgiven, how will Christians be judged?



question: One of the basic prerequisites of a Christian relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is that He will forget all past sins, (Isaiah 43:25 and many others). If this is true (and I KNOW it is) how is the Judgment Seat of Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:18) and accountability for every idle word (I don't know the exact scripture), handled from the Lord's perspective?

I understand this from the perspective of I cor 2.1-15...

The image there is that our 'works' are like an building we build over time, and at the Judgment Seat our 'works' are put to the test...those works that are built of 'solid' character (e.g. gold, silver, etc.) SURVIVE the fire and those built of 'flimsy' materials (e.g. hay, wood, etc.) are destroyed...we are 'saved' of course, but the 'rewards' we get to take with us to honor the Lord with are dependent on our works...according to vs 15, some Christians will go into the Kingdom with absolutely nothing (just as a person who escapes from a burning house takes nothing with him--'as one escaping from the fire')

The 'idle' words passage is important is that these words (acc. to the passage) are the most ACCURATE INDICATORS of our heart's content ('for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...')...whatever you fill your heart/mind with (e.g. life, death, self, others, God, wealth) will be 'manifested by' our 'unplanned' utterances...Not only will our works be judged for rewards, but so will our words be used to 'measure' our Christian growth...

One additional passage I use in understanding this, is the parable about the Master who entrusts different amounts of talents to different stewards...the stewards who were believers (the ones who KNEW the master and loved Him) shared in the fruits of their labors!--they were held accountable for the investments the Lord made in them...(not for salvation, but for producing and furthering the Lord's household and kingdom)...the one 'steward' who had a negative view of the Lord (and hence betrays the absence of a knowledge of Him--i.e. an unbeliever), is 'cast outside'...

I think that when He asks us what we did with the time, talents, relationships, education, money, health, church, interests He gave us, that He will REJOICE over each success we show Him, and probably ignore or downplay the failures...just my personal 'image' of the judgment seat for believers...(oh, just to make sure we are in synch, the Judgment Seat of Christ is ONLY for believers---unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation).https://www.christianthinktank.com/qxnjudg.html#:~:text=On...If%20sins,judgment%20of%20Revelation).....

Shalom
 
If we realize, repent and do not repeat any sins from today onwards till our death all our past sins also will be forgiven by God. This is the promise of God to us.
 
If we realize, repent and do not repeat any sins from today onwards till our death all our past sins also will be forgiven by God. This is the promise of God to us.
In Christ, our present, past, and future hamartia has been fully dealt with.
maybe a look at the doctrine of sanctification would be helpful.
Shalom
Johann
 
On...If sins are forgiven, how will Christians be judged?



question: One of the basic prerequisites of a Christian relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is that He will forget all past sins, (Isaiah 43:25 and many others). If this is true (and I KNOW it is) how is the Judgment Seat of Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:18) and accountability for every idle word (I don't know the exact scripture), handled from the Lord's perspective?

I understand this from the perspective of I cor 2.1-15...

The image there is that our 'works' are like an building we build over time, and at the Judgment Seat our 'works' are put to the test...those works that are built of 'solid' character (e.g. gold, silver, etc.) SURVIVE the fire and those built of 'flimsy' materials (e.g. hay, wood, etc.) are destroyed...we are 'saved' of course, but the 'rewards' we get to take with us to honor the Lord with are dependent on our works...according to vs 15, some Christians will go into the Kingdom with absolutely nothing (just as a person who escapes from a burning house takes nothing with him--'as one escaping from the fire')

The 'idle' words passage is important is that these words (acc. to the passage) are the most ACCURATE INDICATORS of our heart's content ('for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...')...whatever you fill your heart/mind with (e.g. life, death, self, others, God, wealth) will be 'manifested by' our 'unplanned' utterances...Not only will our works be judged for rewards, but so will our words be used to 'measure' our Christian growth...

One additional passage I use in understanding this, is the parable about the Master who entrusts different amounts of talents to different stewards...the stewards who were believers (the ones who KNEW the master and loved Him) shared in the fruits of their labors!--they were held accountable for the investments the Lord made in them...(not for salvation, but for producing and furthering the Lord's household and kingdom)...the one 'steward' who had a negative view of the Lord (and hence betrays the absence of a knowledge of Him--i.e. an unbeliever), is 'cast outside'...

I think that when He asks us what we did with the time, talents, relationships, education, money, health, church, interests He gave us, that He will REJOICE over each success we show Him, and probably ignore or downplay the failures...just my personal 'image' of the judgment seat for believers...(oh, just to make sure we are in synch, the Judgment Seat of Christ is ONLY for believers---unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation).https://www.christianthinktank.com/qxnjudg.html#:~:text=On...If%20sins,judgment%20of%20Revelation).....

Shalom

I heard one pastor explain that every Christian that makes it to heaven must be likened to a cup. Some cups are bigger then others. Job for example will be a very large cup. This will equate to a position of authority. God fills each cup. None are jealous of one another as each has / is a full cup. We accept that we do not ''love'' God as much as others. All our failures point to this.
 
I heard one pastor explain that every Christian that makes it to heaven must be likened to a cup. Some cups are bigger then others. Job for example will be a very large cup. This will equate to a position of authority. God fills each cup. None are jealous of one another as each has / is a full cup. We accept that we do not ''love'' God as much as others. All our failures point to this.
Well said @KingJ
I really appreciate your input.
Shalom
Johann
 
On...If sins are forgiven, how will Christians be judged?



question: One of the basic prerequisites of a Christian relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is that He will forget all past sins, (Isaiah 43:25 and many others). If this is true (and I KNOW it is) how is the Judgment Seat of Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:18) and accountability for every idle word (I don't know the exact scripture), handled from the Lord's perspective?

I understand this from the perspective of I cor 2.1-15...

The image there is that our 'works' are like an building we build over time, and at the Judgment Seat our 'works' are put to the test...those works that are built of 'solid' character (e.g. gold, silver, etc.) SURVIVE the fire and those built of 'flimsy' materials (e.g. hay, wood, etc.) are destroyed...we are 'saved' of course, but the 'rewards' we get to take with us to honor the Lord with are dependent on our works...according to vs 15, some Christians will go into the Kingdom with absolutely nothing (just as a person who escapes from a burning house takes nothing with him--'as one escaping from the fire')

The 'idle' words passage is important is that these words (acc. to the passage) are the most ACCURATE INDICATORS of our heart's content ('for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...')...whatever you fill your heart/mind with (e.g. life, death, self, others, God, wealth) will be 'manifested by' our 'unplanned' utterances...Not only will our works be judged for rewards, but so will our words be used to 'measure' our Christian growth...

One additional passage I use in understanding this, is the parable about the Master who entrusts different amounts of talents to different stewards...the stewards who were believers (the ones who KNEW the master and loved Him) shared in the fruits of their labors!--they were held accountable for the investments the Lord made in them...(not for salvation, but for producing and furthering the Lord's household and kingdom)...the one 'steward' who had a negative view of the Lord (and hence betrays the absence of a knowledge of Him--i.e. an unbeliever), is 'cast outside'...

I think that when He asks us what we did with the time, talents, relationships, education, money, health, church, interests He gave us, that He will REJOICE over each success we show Him, and probably ignore or downplay the failures...just my personal 'image' of the judgment seat for believers...(oh, just to make sure we are in synch, the Judgment Seat of Christ is ONLY for believers---unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation).https://www.christianthinktank.com/qxnjudg.html#:~:text=On...If%20sins,judgment%20of%20Revelation).....

Shalom
Hello @Johann,

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ does not come into condemnation, but passes from death into life. His service is judged and he can suffer loss in regard to reward or prize as a result, but the gift of eternal life is assured Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @Johann,

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ does not come into condemnation, but passes from death into life. His service is judged and he can suffer loss in regard to reward or prize as a result, but the gift of eternal life is assured Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I concur @complete

Shalom
Johann
 
Hello @Johann,

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ does not come into condemnation, but passes from death into life. His service is judged and he can suffer loss in regard to reward or prize as a result, but the gift of eternal life is assured Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

therefore. Rom_7:25.
now. Rom_7:6.
no condemnation. Rom_8:30; Rom_8:33-34, Rom_4:7-8; Rom_5:1-2; Rom_5:9; Rom_5:16 g, Rom_5:18; Rom_6:7; Rom_7:17; Rom_7:20, Num_23:21; Num_35:25; Num_35:27, Jos_10:2; Jos_23:7, +*Psa_37:33; Psa_130:4, Isa_45:17; Isa_45:25; Isa_54:17, Eze_18:22, **Joh_3:18; **Joh_3:19; **Joh_3:36; **Joh_5:24; Joh_8:36; **Joh_10:28, Act_10:43; Act_13:39, **2Co_5:21, *Gal_3:13, 1Jn_4:17.
which are. Rom_3:22; Rom_6:11, Jos_20:2, *Joh_3:36, **2Co_5:21, Eph_1:6, *1Jn_2:5.
in Christ. E. H. Gifford remarks "’To be in Christ’ does not mean in St. Paul’s writings ’to be dependent on Christ’ (a common classical usage), nor merely...to be His follower or disciple, as Pythagoreans or Platonists were followers of their several masters. It implies that living union which Christ Himself first made known (Joh_14:19-20). What St. Paul affirmed at Athens of all mankind in their natural relation to God (Act_17:28), he applies in a higher sense to the spiritual union of believers with Christ. In Gal_3:26-28, we see both the inward and outward means of this union, namely, faith and baptism. In speaking of this union, St. Paul never uses the name ’Jesus’ alone nor first, but gives prominence to the Divine dignity and saving power of ’Christ’" (Commentary on Romans, p. 146). Baptism in Gal_3:26-28 is not a reference to ritual water baptism, but the real baptism accomplished supernaturally by the Holy Spirit when we place our faith in Christ (Act_1:5 note. +*1Co_12:13). +Rom_6:23; +*Rom_16:7, Lev_4:34-35, **Joh_14:19; **Joh_14:20; *Joh_15:4-7, *1Co_1:30; 1Co_15:22, **2Co_5:17; 2Co_12:2, +Gal_1:22; Gal_3:26-28; *Gal_5:6; Gal_6:15, Eph_1:1; Eph_1:4; Eph_2:10; Eph_2:13, *Php_3:9, 1Pe_3:16; 1Pe_5:10; 1Pe_5:14, 1Jn_2:5-6; 1Jn_2:24; 1Jn_2:28; 1Jn_3:24; *1Jn_5:20.
Jesus. +Act_19:4.
who walk. FS108B42, +Gen_5:22, Rom_8:4; Rom_8:14, Gen_5:22, Hos_11:10, 2Co_10:2, *Gal_5:16-25, *Eph_2:10, *Tit_2:11-14, Jas_2:18, 2Pe_3:14-16.
after the flesh. Rom_8:13, Gen_6:3, Joh_3:6, 2Pe_2:10.
but after. Gal_4:29.
Spirit. Gr. pneuma, FS121A2, Figure of speech Metonymy of the Cause, "spirit" put for the new nature which it creates, as the greatest of His gifts: Rom_8:2; Rom_8:4; Rom_8:5; Rom_8:5; Rom_8:9; ?Rom_8:9; ?Rom_8:9; Rom_8:10; Rom_8:11; Rom_8:11; Rom_8:13; Rom_8:14; Rom_8:16 b, Rom_8:23, 1Co_2:12 b. 1Co_12:3 a. 1Co_14:15; 1Co_14:15-16, Gal_3:2-3; Gal_3:5; Gal_4:6; Gal_4:29; Gal_5:16-17; Gal_5:17-18; Gal_5:25; Gal_5:25; Gal_6:8 a. Eph_4:23, 1Jn_3:24, Jud_1:19, For the other uses of pneuma, see +Mat_8:16 note. For FS121A2, see +Psa_51:10, Joh_3:6, 1Co_2:12.


Blessings
Johann
 
In Christ, our present, past, and future hamartia has been fully dealt with.
maybe a look at the doctrine of sanctification would be helpful.
Shalom
Johann
I agree i meant to stress on the point that due to love on Jesus one shall not repeat sins further any more any time. Then our reformation is complete which is liked by God Jesus.
 
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

True, but how do you know if you are really "in Christ"?

1Jn 3:24; The one who keeps His commandments abides in Christ, and Christ abides in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

1Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

St. Paul never uses the name ’Jesus’ alone nor first, but gives prominence to the Divine dignity and saving power of ’Christ’

Rom_1:1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
Rom_1:4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
Rom_1:6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom_1:7 to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.
Rom_2:16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
Rom_3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom_3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom_3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom_4:24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Rom_5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom_5:11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Rom_5:15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Rom_5:17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Rom_5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom_6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Rom_6:11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Thats just the first 6 chapters of Romans. In 18 of my translations, He uses "Jesus". In most Bible He uses the name "Jesus" over 200 times in his Epistles.

but the gift of eternal life is assured Him

Everyone gets eternal life. The question is... where will you spend it?

In Christ, our present, past, and future hamartia has been fully dealt with.

If that's true, I wonder why there are so many verses like...

Matt 5:21; "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'
Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.


Matt 6:14; "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Matt 6:15; "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

I wonder why Jesus told him "do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you".

John 13:8; Peter *said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."
John 13:9; Simon Peter *said to Him, "Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head."
John 13:10; Jesus *said to him, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you."

I wonder why He told the disciples, you still have to wash your feet every now and then.

1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

How can you be "unworthy" if you have been made clean, even for future sins? If these sins are already taken care of... why are people punished for them?

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

How can someone who has been forgiven of all future sins, become defiled again?

1Jn 1:9; If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins... but what if we don't?

Jas 5:16; Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

If Jesus has forgiven all my future sins, how come we still have to confess them "so that you may be healed".
 
John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


2Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Yes, the righteous get rewards, but those who did evil deeds, will get rewarded to. (they won't like the reward they will get).

Jas 5:12; But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment.

Why would this cause them "fall under judgment" if they continue to do it?
 
Everyone gets eternal life. The question is... where will you spend it?
Subject Heading:- If sins are forgiven, how will Christians be judged?

'What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed?
for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God,
ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
'
(Rom 6:21-23)

Hello @B-A-C,

The Bible does not tell us that all have LIFE.

The choice is LIFE or DEATH. Eternal life is a gift of God.

The wages of sin is DEATH.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
The Bible does not tell us that all have LIFE.

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Well technically you are right, it's not "life". But they will be able to feel pain eternally, if you want to call that life.
You aren't annihilated in the second death. You feel pain forever.

Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word "eternal" is in this verse twice. It's exact same word in Greek both times.
So if there is no eternal punishment, then there is no eternal life.
 
Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Well technically you are right, it's not "life". But they will be able to feel pain eternally, if you want to call that life.
You aren't annihilated in the second death. You feel pain forever.

Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word "eternal" is in this verse twice. It's exact same word in Greek both times.
So if there is no eternal punishment, then there is no eternal life.
I think there is a communication problem of what @complete posted and your reply.

Shalom
Johann
 
Everyone gets eternal life. The question is... where will you spend it?
Really, according to you, since that is not what the scriptures teaches.
Everyone "gets" life eternal?

Shalom
Johann
 
I agree i meant to stress on the point that due to love on Jesus one shall not repeat sins further any more any time. Then our reformation is complete which is liked by God Jesus.

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Our "reformation" will only be complete when this happen...the redemption of our bodies, but I do appreciate your input @dattaswami2
 
If that's true, I wonder why there are so many verses like...
I appreciate you're trying to correct me, whatever you post, post in context.
be like a Berean
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
ουτοι δε ησαν ευγενεστεροι των εν θεσσαλονικη οιτινες εδεξαντο τον λογον μετα πασης προθυμιας το καθ ημεραν ανακρινοντες τας γραφας ει εχοι ταυτα ουτως
πολλοι μεν ουν εξ αυτων επιστευσαν και των ελληνιδων γυναικων των ευσχημονων και ανδρων ουκ ολιγοι


More noble than those (eugenesteroi tōn). Comparative form of eugenēs, old and common adjective, but in N.T. only here and Luk_19:12; 1Co_1:26. Followed by ablative case tōn as often after the comparative.
With all readiness of mind (meta pāsēs prothumias). Old word from prothumos (pro, thumos) and means eagerness, rushing forward. In the N.T. only here and 2Co_8:11-19; 2Co_9:2. In Thessalonica many of the Jews out of pride and prejudice refused to listen. Here the Jews joyfully welcomed the two Jewish visitors.
Examining the Scriptures daily (kath' hēmeran anakrinontes tas graphas). Paul expounded the Scriptures daily as in Thessalonica, but the Beroeans, instead of resenting his new interpretation, examined (anakrinō means to sift up and down, make careful and exact research as in legal processes as in Act_4:9; Act_12:19, etc.) the Scriptures for themselves. In Scotland people have the Bible open on the preacher as he expounds the passage, a fine habit worth imitating.
Whether these things were so (ei echoi tauta houtōs). Literally, “if these things had it thus.” The present optative in the indirect question represents an original present indicative as in Luk_1:29 (Robertson, Grammar, pp. 1043f.). This use of ei with the optative may be looked at as the condition of the fourth class (undetermined with less likelihood of determination) as in Act_17:27; Act_20:16; Act_24:19; Act_27:12 (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1021). The Beroeans were eagerly interested in the new message of Paul and Silas but they wanted to see it for themselves. What a noble attitude. Paul’s preaching made Bible students of them. The duty of private interpretation is thus made plain (Hovey).
Robertson

Shalom
Johann
 
If that's true, I wonder why there are so many verses like...
When we accept Jesus as our Savior, God forgives all our sins: past, present, and future. Forgiveness comes as a total package; God does not forgive us partially but wholly.

The believer in Christ can say, “My future sins are forgiven” for these reasons:

• When Jesus died, all of today’s sins were yet future. Jesus did not die only for the sins of people who lived before Him. He died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), including the sins of those who lived after Him.

• If our future sins are not forgiven, then two things must happen: 1) when we sin in the future, we revert to an unforgiven state, meaning we lose our salvation and must be saved again, and 2) Christ must die again to cover the sins we’ve committed since His last death. Neither of these scenarios is biblical. We are kept by God, and thus our salvation is secure (John 10:28–30); and Christ died “once for all” (Hebrews 10:10; cf. Hebrews 7:25).

• From the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished!” (John 19:30). No other sacrifice would ever be needed. Sin—all sin—had been atoned.

• God’s purpose, which cannot be thwarted, is that His children be made perfect: “Those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:29–30). Note that all of God’s actions are in the past tense, as if they had already happened.

• “We have been justified through faith” (Romans 5:1). When God justifies us, He declares us to be righteous. We still sin, but God’s declaration stands. The fact of our justification argues for the fact that our future sins are forgiven.

• “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Nothing, not even our future sins, will condemn us. The verdict of “forgiven in Christ” has already been handed down from the divine bench.

• “Neither the present nor the future, . . . nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38–39). The future cannot separate us from God’s love, even if there is sin in our future.

Of course, the fact that our future sins are forgiven in Christ should not make us flippant toward sin. No one can say, “My future sins are forgiven,” and then proceed to live a life of sin. Such an attitude is decidedly un-Christian: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (Romans 6:1–2; see also 1 John 3:9).

The Bible teaches that, after salvation, we continue to sin (1 John 1:8; 2:1). We won’t reach sinless perfection this side of glory. The power of sin is broken, but, because we are still flawed humans living in a fallen world, we still at times give in to temptation. Our future sins, although ultimately forgiven in Christ, should still be confessed to God (1 John 1:9). Unconfessed sin, a sign of a disobedient, stubborn heart, will bring the Father’s discipline on His children (Hebrews 12:4–11).

When we sin, we don’t fear losing our salvation. At the same time, we understand that our sin does damage to our fellowship with the Heavenly Father and to our relationships with other people. We confess to God our future sins as we commit them for these reasons:

• We seek to walk in the light, as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).

• We strive for peace in the Body of Christ (James 4:1).

• We do not want to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30).

• We want the joy of our salvation restored (Psalm 51:12).

• We desire to “live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way” (Colossians 1:10).

• Our testimony matters. We are called to good works that glorify the Father. Our light should shine, not be hidden under a bowl (Matthew 5:14–16).

• We must “put to death . . . whatever belongs to [our] earthly nature” (Colossians 3:5). Confessing our sin to God is part of putting the old nature to death.

We are saved by grace through faith, and the moment we trust in Christ, we are made right with God. Our sins, including our future sins, were ultimately forgiven (Colossians 2:13), and our salvation is permanent.

The woman caught in adultery was brought to Jesus in John 8. Rather than condemn her, Jesus offered her forgiveness: “Neither do I condemn you,” He said (John 8:11). Then He set her free, not with carte blanche to continue to sin, but with a command to cease from sinning: “Go now and leave your life of sin.” He did not say, “Go now and do whatever you want.” Those forgiven by God have been called to a life of holiness.

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True, but how do you know if you are really "in Christ"?
Eph 1:13 In Him you also who have heard the Word of Truth, the glad tidings (Gospel) of your salvation, and have believed in and adhered to and relied on Him, were stamped with the seal of the long-promised Holy Spirit.
Eph 1:14 That [Spirit] is the guarantee of our inheritance [the firstfruits, the pledge and foretaste, the down payment on our heritage], in anticipation of its full redemption and our acquiring [complete] possession of it--to the praise of His glory.
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Eph 1:13 In Moshiach you also, having heard the message of HaEmes, the Besuras HaGeulah of Yeshu'at Eloheinu which is yours, having also come to emunah, received your chotam (seal) in Moshiach with the Ruach Hakodesh of havtachah (promise),
Eph 1:14 Who is bestowed as an eravon (pledge) of our nachalah (allotted inheritance, TEHILLIM 16:5-6), with a view to the Geulah of Hashem's own possession, to the tehilat kavod (praise of glory) of Him.
OJB
Ye were sealed (esphragisthēte). First aorist passive indicative of sphragizō, old verb, to set a seal on one as a mark or stamp, sometimes the marks of ownership or of worship of deities like stigmata (Gal_6:17). Marked and authenticated as God’s heritage as in Eph_4:30. See note on 2Co_1:22 for the very use of the metaphor here applied to the Holy Spirit even with the word arrabōn (earnest).
Spirit (pneumati). In the instrumental case.
Robertson

He begins by calling on all who know God to bless Him, that is, to bring joy to His heart by praise and worshiping love. The blessed One is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. At certain times Jesus addressed God as God (Mat_27:46). At other times He spoke of Him as Father (Joh_10:30). The blessed One is also the Blesser. We bless Him by praising Him. He blesses us and makes us glad by showering us with the riches of His grace.
He has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ. Here is a pyramid of grace:
Blessing
spiritual blessing
every spiritual blessing
every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places
every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ
Notice first how unstinted are His heart and hand—every spiritual blessing. Notice, too, that these are spiritual blessings. The simplest way to explain this is to contrast them with the blessings of Israel under the law. In the OT, a faithful, obedient Jew was rewarded with long life, a large family, abundant crops, and protection from his enemies (Deu_28:2-8). The blessings of Christianity, in contrast, are spiritual, that is, they deal with treasures that are nonmaterial, invisible, and imperishable. It is true that the OT saints also enjoyed some spiritual blessings, but as we shall see, the Christian today enjoys blessings that were unknown in previous times.
Our blessings are in the heavenly places, literally “in the heavenlies.” Instead of being material blessings in earthly places, they are spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. The expression, in the heavenly places, is used five times in Ephesians:
Eph_1:3 — The sphere of our spiritual blessing
Eph_1:20 — The scene of Christ's present enthronement
Eph_2:6 — The scene of our present enthronement in Christ
Eph_3:10 — The locale from which angels witness God's wisdom exhibited in the church
Eph_6:12 — The region which is the source of our present conflict with evil spirits
When we put these passages together, we have a truly scriptural definition of the heavenly places. As Unger put it, they are “the realm of the believer's position and experience as a result of his being united to Christ by the baptism of the Spirit.” All spiritual blessings are in Christ. It was He who procured them for us through His finished work at Calvary. Now they are available through Him. Everything that God has for the believer is in the Lord Jesus. In order to receive the blessings, we must be united to Christ by faith. The moment a man is in Christ, he becomes the possessor of them all. Chafer writes, “To be in Christ, which is the portion of all who are saved, is to partake of all that Christ has done, all that He is, and all that He ever will be.”
In Christ is one of the key expressions of Ephesians. There are two closely related lines of truth in the NT—the truth of the believer's position and the truth of his practice.
First, the believer's position. Everyone in the world is either “in Adam” or “in Christ.” Those who are “in Adam” are in their sins and therefore condemned before God. There is nothing they can do in themselves to please God or gain His favor. They have no claim on God, and if they were to receive what they deserve, they would perish eternally.
When a person is converted, God no longer looks upon him as a condemned child of Adam. Rather He sees him as being in Christ, and He accepts him on that basis. It is important to see this. The believing sinner is not accepted because of what he is in himself, but because he is in Christ. When he is in Christ, he stands before God clothed in all the acceptability of Christ Himself. And he will enjoy God's favor and acceptance as long as Christ does, namely, forever.
The believer's position, then, is what he is in Christ. But there is another side to the picture—the believer's practice. This is what he is in himself. His position is perfect, but his practice is imperfect. Now God's will is that his practice should increasingly correspond to his position. It never will do so perfectly until he is in heaven. But the process of sanctification, growth, and increasing Christlikeness should be going on continually while he is here on earth.
Believers are perfect (Heb_10:14)
Believers should be perfect (Mat_5:48)
Believers are dead to sin (Rom_6:2)
Believers should reckon themselves dead to sin (Rom_6:11)
Believers are a holy nation (1Pe_2:9)
Believers should be holy (1Pe_1:15)
The first column deals with position, the second with practice.
Paul's Letter to the Ephesians itself is divided into two halves that parallel this truth: (Chaps. 1-3): Our position—what we are in Christ; (Chaps. 4-6): Our practice—what we should be in ourselves. The first half has to do with doctrine, the second half with duty. In the first three chapters our position is often described by such phrases as “in Christ,” “in Christ Jesus,” “in Him,” “in whom.” In the last three chapters the phrase, “in the Lord,” is often used to express the believer's responsibility to Christ as Lord. Someone has well said that the first part of the letter pictures the believer in the heavenlies in Christ, whereas the last part views him in the kitchen.
Now we are ready to consider some of the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places which are ours in Christ.
1:4 The first is what is commonly known as election. Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.
Notice first the positive fact of election in the words, He chose us. Then there is the positional aspect of the truth, in Him: it is in the Person and work of the Lord Jesus that all God's purposes for His people are brought to pass. The time of God's election is indicated by the expression, before the foundation of the world. And the purpose is that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. This purpose will not be completely realized until we are with Him in heaven (1Jn_3:2), but the process should be going on continually in our lives down here.
Prayer: “Lord, make me holy now, since this is Your eventual purpose for me. Amen.”
EXCURSUS ON DIVINE ELECTION
The doctrine of election raises serious problems in the human mind, so we must consider more fully what the Bible does (and does not) teach on this subject.
First, it teaches that God does choose men to salvation (2Th_2:13). It addresses believers as those who are “elect according to the foreknowledge of God” (1Pe_1:2). It teaches that people can know whether they are elect by their response to the gospel: those who hear and believe it are elect (1Th_1:4-7).
On the other hand, the Bible never teaches that God chooses men to be lost. The fact that He chooses some to be saved does not imply that He arbitrarily condemns all the rest. He never condemns men who deserve to be saved (there are none), but He does save some who ought to be condemned. When Paul describes the elect, he speaks of them as “vessels of mercy which He had prepared beforehand for glory” (Rom_9:23); but when he turns to the lost, he simply says, “vessels of wrath prepared for destruction” (Rom_9:22). God prepares vessels of mercy to glory, but He does not prepare men for destruction: they do this for themselves by their own unbelief.
The doctrine of election lets God be God. He is sovereign, that is, He can do as He pleases, although He never pleases to do anything unjust. If left alone, all men would be lost. Does God have the right to show mercy to some?
But there is another side to the story. The same Bible that teaches sovereign election also teaches human responsibility. No one can use the doctrine of election as an excuse for not being saved. God makes a bona fide offer of salvation to all people everywhere (Joh_3:16; Joh_3:36; Joh_5:24; Rom_10:9, Rom_10:13). Anyone can be saved by repenting of his sins and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, if a person is lost, it is because he chooses to be lost, not because God desires it.
The fact is that the same Bible teaches election and free salvation to all who will receive it. Both doctrines are found in a single verse: “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out” (Joh_6:37). The first half of the verse speaks of God's sovereign choice; the last half extends the offer of mercy to all.
This poses a difficulty for the human mind. How can God choose some and yet offer salvation freely to all men? Frankly, this is a mystery. But the mystery is on our side, not on God's. The best policy for us is to believe both doctrines because the Bible teaches both. The truth is not found somewhere between election and man's free will, but in both extremes. W. G. Blaikie summarizes:
Divine sovereignty, human responsibility and the free and universal offer of mercy are all found in Scripture, and though we are unable to harmonize them by our logic, they all ought to have a place in our minds.

1:5 The second spiritual blessing from the treasury of God's grace is predestination, or foreordination. Though somewhat related to election, it is not the same. Election pictures God's choice of people to salvation. But predestination is an advance on this: it means that God determined ahead of time that all who would be saved would also be adopted into His family as sons. He could have saved us without making us His sons, but He chose to do both.
Many translations link the last two words of verse 4 with verse 5 as follows: in love having predestined us.
This reminds us of the unique affection that prompted God to deal with us so graciously.
We have the fact of our glorious adoption in the phrase, having predestined us to adoption as sons. In the NT, adoption means placing a believer in the family of God as a mature, adult son with all the privileges and responsibilities of sonship (Gal_4:4-7). The Spirit of adoption plants within the believer the instinct to address God as Father (Rom_8:15).
Our adoption as sons is by Jesus Christ. God could never have brought us into this position of nearness and dearness to Himself as long as we were in our sins. So the Lord Jesus came to earth, and by His death, burial, and resurrection He settled the sin question to God's satisfaction. It is the infinite value of His sacrifice on Calvary that provides a righteous basis on which God can adopt us as sons.
And it is all according to the good pleasure of His will. This is the sovereign motivation behind our predestination. It answers the question, “Why did He do it?” Simply because it was His good pleasure. He could not be satisfied until He had surrounded Himself with sons, conformed to the image of His only begotten Son, with Him and like Him forever.
1:6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved. As Paul has contemplated the grace of God first in electing us and then in predestining us to be His sons, he punctuates his meditation with this refrain that is at once an exclamation, an explanation, and an exhortation. It is an exclamation—a holy gasp at the transcendent glories of such grace. It is an explanation that the object and the result of all God's gracious dealings with us is His own glory. Eternal adoration is due to Him for such matchless favor. Notice the terms of His grace—He (freely) made us accepted. The recipients of His grace—us. The channel of His grace—in the Beloved. Finally, it is an exhortation. Paul is saying, “Let us praise Him for His glorious grace”. Before we go any farther, let us do it!
Great God of wonders! All Thy ways
Display Thine attributes divine;
But the bright glories of Thy grace
Above Thine other wonders shine:
Who is a pard'ning God like Thee?
Or who has grace so rich and free?
—Samuel Davies
1:7 As we trace the sublime sweep of God's eternal plan for His people, we come next to the fact of redemption. This describes that aspect of the work of Christ by which we are freed from the bondage and guilt of sin and introduced into a life of liberty. The Lord Jesus is the Redeemer (In Him we have redemption). We are the redeemed. His blood is the ransom price; nothing less would do.
One of the results of redemption is the forgiveness of sins. Forgiveness is not the same as redemption; it is one of its fruits. Christ had to make full satisfaction for our sins before they could be forgiven. This was done at the cross. And now—
Stern justice can demand no more
And mercy can dispense her store.
The measure of our forgiveness is given in the words, according to the riches of His grace. If we can measure the riches of God's grace, then we can measure how fully He has forgiven us. His grace is infinite! So is His forgiveness!
1:8 It was in grace that He chose us, predestined us, and redeemed us. But that is not all. God has superabounded that same grace toward us in all wisdom and prudence. This means He has graciously shared His plans and purposes with us. His desire is that we should have intelligence and insight into His plans for the church and for the universe. And so He has taken us into His confidence, as it were, and has revealed to us the great goal toward which all history is moving.
1:9 Paul now explains the particular way in which God has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence, namely, by making known to us the mystery of His will. This is the dominant theme of the Epistle—the glorious truth concerning Christ and the church. It is a mystery, not in the sense that it is mysterious, but that it is a sacred secret previously unknown but now revealed to the saints. This glorious plan originated in the sovereign will of God, quite apart from any outside influences: it was according to His good pleasure. And the grand subject of the plan is the Lord Jesus Christ; this is indicated by the clause, which He purposed in Himself.
1:10 Now Paul begins a more detailed explanation of the secret of God's plan, and in this chapter he is thinking particularly of the future aspect of the mystery. Chapters 2 and 3 will add further light on the present aspect of the mystery.
The time which Paul has in view is indicated by the expression, the dispensation (administration, Greek, oikonomia)
of the fullness of the times. We understand this to refer to the Millennium, when Christ will return to the earth to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords. God has a special economy or plan of administration for the final era of human history on this earth.
The plan is “to head up all things in the Christ” (JND). During the Millennial Reign, all things in heaven and on earth will be summed up in Christ. The Savior who is now rejected and disowned will then be the preeminent One, the Lord of all, the object of universal worship. This is God's goal—to set up Christ as Head over all things, heavenly and earthly, in the kingdom.
The extent of the dominion of Christ is found in the words, “the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth” (JND). Bellett writes:
This is a secret never made known before. In the prophet Isaiah, we get a beautiful picture of the millennial earth; but do we ever get the millennial heavens with Christ at their head? Was it ever said by Isaiah that all things in heaven and earth should be headed up in the glorified Man?
Verse 10 is sometimes used to support the false doctrine of universal salvation. It is twisted to suggest that eventually everything and everyone will be restored and reconciled in Christ. But that is quite foreign to the passage. Paul is speaking about universal dominion, not universal salvation!
1:11 One vital feature of the mystery is that believing Jews and believing Gentiles have their share in this grand program of God. The apostle speaks of the mystery in relation to Jewish believers in verses 11 and 12; in relation to Gentile believers in verse 13; then he combines them both in verse 14.
As for the Christians of Jewish ancestry, Paul writes, In Him also we have obtained an inheritance. Their right to a share is not based on their former national privileges, but solely on their union with Christ. The inheritance here looks forward to the time when they and all true believers will be manifested to an amazed world as the Body of Christ, the Bride of the Lamb.
From all eternity these Jewish Christians were marked out for this place of privilege by the sovereign will of God, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.
1:12 The purpose of this predestination was that they should be to the praise of His glory. In other words, they are trophies of the grace of God, exhibiting what He can do with such unlikely raw materials, and thus bringing glory to Him.
The apostle speaks of himself and other believing Jews as we who first trusted in Christ. He is thinking of the godly remnant of Jews who responded to the gospel in the early days of Christianity. The good news was first preached to the Jews. Most of the nation of Israel flatly rejected it. But the godly remnant believed on the Lord Jesus. Paul was one of that number.
It will be different when the Savior returns to the earth the second time. Then the nation will look on Him whom they pierced and will mourn for Him as for an only Son (Zec_12:10). “And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ‘The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob’” (Rom_11:26).
Paul and his Christian contemporaries of Jewish background trusted in the Messiah before the rest of the nation. That is why he uses the description, “we ... who have trusted beforehand in Christ” (FWG).
Those who “fore-hoped” in Messiah will reign with Him over the earth. The rest of the nation will be the earthly subjects of His kingdom.
1:13 Now Paul switches from believers who had been born Jews to those who had been born Gentiles; he indicates this by changing from “we” to you. Those who have been saved from paganism have a share in the mystery of God's will, as well as converted Jews. And so the apostle here traces the steps by which the Ephesians and other Gentiles had been brought into union with Christ.
They heard the gospel. They believed in Christ. They were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. First they heard the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation. Basically, this refers to the good news of salvation through faith in the Lord Jesus. But in a wider sense it includes all the teachings of Christ and the apostles.
Having heard this message, they made a commitment of themselves to Christ by a decisive act of faith. The Lord Jesus is the true object of faith. Salvation is found in Him alone.
As soon as they believed, they were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. This means that every true believer receives the Spirit of God as a sign that he belongs to God and that he will be kept safe by God until the time he receives his glorified body. Just as in legal matters a seal indicates ownership and security, so it does in divine affairs. The indwelling Spirit brands us as God's property (1Co_6:19-20), and guarantees our preservation until the day of redemption (Eph_4:30).
Our seal is called the Holy Spirit of promise. First, He is the Holy Spirit; this is what He is in Himself. Then, He is the Spirit of promise. He was promised by the Father (Joe_2:28; Act_1:4), and by the Lord Jesus (Joh_16:7). In addition, He is the guarantee that all God's promises to the believer will be fulfilled.
Verse 13 rounds out the first of many mentions of the Trinity in this Letter:
God the Father (v. 3)
God the Son (v. 7)
God the Spirit (v. 13)
1:14 Again Paul changes his pronouns. He merges the “we” of verses 11 and 12 with the “you” of verse 13 to form the our of verse 14. By this deft literary device, he drops a hint of what he will more fully explain in chapters 2 and 3—the union of believing Jews and believing Gentiles to form a new organism, the church.
The Holy Spirit is the guarantee of our inheritance. This is a downpayment, pledging that the full amount will be paid. It is the same in kind as the full payment, but not the same in amount.
As soon as we are saved, the Holy Spirit begins to reveal to us some of the riches that are ours in Christ. He gives us foretastes of the coming glory. But how can we be sure that we will get the full inheritance some day? The Holy Spirit Himself is the earnest or guarantee.
As the seal, He guarantees that we ourselves will be kept safely for the inheritance. As the earnest, He guarantees the inheritance will be kept securely for us.
The Spirit is the guarantee until the redemption of the purchased possession. The guarantee looks forward to the full redemption, just as the firstfruits look forward to the complete harvest. The Spirit's role as earnest will cease when the purchased possession is redeemed. But what does Paul mean by the purchased possession?
1. He may mean our inheritance. All that God possesses is ours through the Lord Jesus: we are heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ (Rom_8:17; 1Co_3:21-23). The universe itself has been defiled through the entrance of sin, and needs to be reconciled and purified (Col_1:20; Heb_9:23). When Christ returns to the earth to reign, this groaning creation will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God (Rom_8:19-22).
2. The expression, the purchased possession, may mean the believer's body. Our spirits and souls were redeemed when we first believed, but the redemption of our bodies is still future. The fact that we suffer, grow old, and die proves that our bodies have not yet been redeemed. When Christ returns for us (1Th_4:13-18), our bodies will be fashioned anew so they can be conformed to the body of His glory (Php_3:21). Then they will be fully and forever redeemed (Rom_8:23).
3. Finally, the purchased possession may refer to the church (1Pe_2:9 : “His own special people”). In this case, its redemption also looks forward to the Rapture, when Christ will present the church to Himself a glorious church without spot or wrinkle or any such thing (Eph_5:27). Some believe that in this view, God's own possession may also include the OT saints.
Whichever view we hold, the ultimate result is the same—to the praise of His glory. God's marvelous plan for His people will then have reached a glorious consummation, and He will be the object of continual praise. Three times in this chapter Paul has reminded us that the intended goal and inevitable result of all God's actions is that He should be magnified and glorified.
To the praise of the glory of His grace (v. 6)
That we should be to the praise of His glory (v. 12)
To the praise of His glory (v. 14)


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We’ll be judged for what we’ve done in the name of the Lord, the principle is laid out in Luke 12:48 - “to whom much is given, much is required.” Modern equivalent is this quote from Spider Man: “With great power comes great responsibility.” This was illustrated in the parable of talents, the unprofitable servant will be cast out with no reward.
 
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