If the trinity is not true
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All three are God!
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Who of us can really explain God. I don't see what you are driving at but:
- God says he is spirit
- The Holy Spirit...well!
- Jesus is resurrected and fully spirit
Man can't explain God, but by the Spirit of God man can explain God.
1 Corinthians 2: 11 For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of a man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
So to explain God , a man must do it by the Spirit of God.
But my question was if God is three persons , is he also three Spirits ?
I do have a another question , If Jesus was all Spirit , what does these verses mean ?
Luke 24:36-39 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them , and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
V37 But they were terrified, and affrighted, and supposes that they had seen a spirit.
V38 And he said unto them, Why are you troubled ? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts ?
V39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see me have
Seems to me Jesus just told these 11 that he was not spirit and that a
spirit don't have flesh and bone , like they see him have , he even goes on to eat some fish and honey comb, just to prove he was not a spirit.
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Who said he was all spirit? I said he was spirit!
what does these verses mean
Sure they were frightened, wouldn't you be if you were not sure what happened to him and All OF A SUDDEN, he appeared among them and scripture is explicit that THE DOORS were closed!
Oh Ye of little faith!
They had no idea of the resurrected body; they thought he was total spirit. Jesus was right he was not just spirit, he was in his fully resurrected heavenly body.....just like God said we would have!!...Sure just a spirit can't eat and drink, much less have someone stick his hand in his wounds...but obviously, a resurrected heavenly body can .
If Jesus is not resurrected and possessing a "resurrected body", where is he and what is he?
Obviously, he has a resurrected body and can transcend the both the physical and spiritual world and so shall we!!!!
The word you used is fully spirit.
The definition for fully is ( totally or completely )
Look it up in a dictionary cause that is the word you used ( fully )
So by the definition of fully , you said he was all spirit.
But if you will please give me scripture that says his body was spirit.
Cause it was the flesh body that died on the cross and was buried and is the same body that arose and come out of the grave.
But if you can give me one verse that says his body was spirit, you would have the right to say he has a spiritual body
If not maybe you might want to search the
scriptures to find the truth, then share what scripture says , and not what one thinks.
Just asking for scripture to support that his body was spirit after he was resurrected. Thank you in advance.
Greetings,
It is always good to be edified and built up using Scripture, especially in these days when so many say so much and so many more get either confused or misled by what is told them, because they do not realize that it is not in Scripture.
Let us use Scripture, in love, both ways, always.
Bless you ....><>
It is always good to be edified and built up using Scripture, especially in these days when so many say so much and so many more get either confused or misled by what is told them, because they do not realize that it is not in Scripture.
Let us use Scripture, in love, both ways, always.
Bless you ....><>
Greetings again,
May I ask if anyone can find Scripture for this:
(it may help with this discussion/thread)
The Revelation of the Manifestation of the LORD,
Our Father Who sent His Son, the Word in the flesh of Whom the Spirit testifies.
Bless you ....><>
May I ask if anyone can find Scripture for this:
(it may help with this discussion/thread)
The Revelation of the Manifestation of the LORD,
Our Father Who sent His Son, the Word in the flesh of Whom the Spirit testifies.
Bless you ....><>
I agree, if I have offended RJ or anyone else I apologize,
But also offence will happen , if someone speaks the truth of scripture, and one disagrees with it,
We know that his body would not see corruption, that it was rose from the dead , but I have not read where it was change to a spiritual body
I do not believe, it had to be changed it was already without sin
Also he still has the nail holes and piercing in his side, he appeared in the same body
When we get our new body any and all blemishes will be gone ,
cause its a new body, but did Christ receive a new body that was a spiritual body ?
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Please show where I said the word "fully"!
- You simply can't always have scripture that EXACTLY spells out everything perfectly. God gave us the power to reason; for goodness sake, Jesus talked to us many times in Parables....that certainly is not exact....I suppose you may have a hard time understanding Parables.
- Jesus rose from the dead in the very same physical body in which He died. This resurrected, physical body was a glorified, spiritual body. The spiritual body is not merely "spirit." The spiritual body is the resurrected, glorified, physical body."
- Do you believe in the resurrection?
- Do you believe God when he says he will give us a resurrected body just like Jesus?
- If we will be resurrected in a heavenly body...what does it mean to have a body and , at the same time, be in a spiritual realm?
- How do you suppose we will recognize each other in Heaven?
- What say you is the resurrected body?
Greetings,
This comment is open for debate.
If we mis-quote the parables in Scripture, adding or taking away, we do wrong.
It is not about parables, it is about truth. It is not about you @RJ , or about your opinion, which appears to be all that matters here.
Please keep your digs at people to yourself.
It is reasonable to discuss things and to ask and for others who can, to show answers backed with Scripture. If you prefer to only apply your own thoughts and insist others do as you tell them, may I suggest you post such things in entertainment or somewhere else all together.
Conducting a Bible Study should be a welcoming time where we can gracefully accommodate other members requests, if they sincerely seek answers.
If you do not have the answers and can not shew others Scripture, a meek and humble approach would be best/better and you could simply say that you do not have Scripture to back up what you say. Others then may be able to help you and the one(s) who ask you.
Your replies are off-putting and it is quite possible that some who may wish to engage in Bible Study will not due to you attitude and responses.
Please remember this and post accordingly.
I have deleted you next reply as it is not appropriate on Talk Jesus.
Bless you ....><>
This comment is open for debate.
If we mis-quote the parables in Scripture, adding or taking away, we do wrong.
It is not about parables, it is about truth. It is not about you @RJ , or about your opinion, which appears to be all that matters here.
Please keep your digs at people to yourself.
It is reasonable to discuss things and to ask and for others who can, to show answers backed with Scripture. If you prefer to only apply your own thoughts and insist others do as you tell them, may I suggest you post such things in entertainment or somewhere else all together.
Conducting a Bible Study should be a welcoming time where we can gracefully accommodate other members requests, if they sincerely seek answers.
If you do not have the answers and can not shew others Scripture, a meek and humble approach would be best/better and you could simply say that you do not have Scripture to back up what you say. Others then may be able to help you and the one(s) who ask you.
Your replies are off-putting and it is quite possible that some who may wish to engage in Bible Study will not due to you attitude and responses.
Please remember this and post accordingly.
I have deleted you next reply as it is not appropriate on Talk Jesus.
Bless you ....><>
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Are you saying that God did not provide for us in every situation? The power of reason may be useful at times, but it is NOT the final answer. The final answer is God. That is why he provide the Holy Spirit as well as the written Bible.
There are a lot of men with great powers of reason who do not understand God and often do not even believe in Him. That certainly does not mean that they are right in their belief and we are wrong in ours, does it?
God is not found in reason or in common sense, but in coming to Him in the right attitude, an attitude of humility and surrender. A person of below average intelligence likely often does a better job of that than a very smart educated person. I had a college education and for years it was always getting between me and God. I am still fighting that battle.
Scripture does always have the answers an, yes, no one understands all of the parables for all of the parables written are probably all of the written Bible. Jesus is the Word of God and I do not believe that all of his words are contained in the red letter part of the four gospels. The rest of the Bible matters even those parts that you and I do not understand. God always has an answer to every question, but He does not always answer every question.
Greetings again,
I have 'bumped' this post and ask for some consideration be given it.
I do think it may help with this discussion if members can find Scripture relating to this.
Sometimes rather than arguing a point we can all find a better view and understanding by looking elsewhere to the immediate 'argument' or 'debate'. Sometimes this can help shed some light on the subject and all can come under subjection to the Word which is far better than division.
Bless you ....><>
I have 'bumped' this post and ask for some consideration be given it.
I do think it may help with this discussion if members can find Scripture relating to this.
Sometimes rather than arguing a point we can all find a better view and understanding by looking elsewhere to the immediate 'argument' or 'debate'. Sometimes this can help shed some light on the subject and all can come under subjection to the Word which is far better than division.
Bless you ....><>
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No, I believe that @norapture wanted "exact" scripture that says what he wants but I did provide scriptures that show unequivocally, that Jesus is both physical body and spirit at the same time! Why is that so wrong....what do you believe ...and why?
Sorry you feel that way! Who is exercising their opinion now? Not sure you have followed the entire discussion between @norapture and myself.
Again, I did show scripture but not the exact wording he wanted...what is wrong with emphasizing that?
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Not sure what you are saying? But, no...it depends who you are and, in that case, he only provided for some. That was my point to @norapture, maybe....if he doesn't understand that Jesus has a heavenly body ( both physical and spiritual at the same time), possibly he will not understand parables either.
Matthew 13:10
Matthew 13: 11, 14, 15
- Let me ask all of you this basic question: Is it not part of the sharing the gospel and important that a child of God should, understand basic truth, including parables?
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- My exact point...maybe it is open for you to debate but I certainly do not see that God requires debate.
- Again, you clarify and make my point: if you don't understand who Jesus and the resurrected body is, possibly, you have a hard time with parables:
Matthew 13: 11,14, 15
- Am I not speaking "truth"?!
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My point is that God has all of the answers that we need when we need them if we trust Him. If we are into our Bibles regularly and prayerfully, He will open our eyes to a verse or verses that provides what is needed. The difficulty is that all of us [except of course any who are already overcomers like Jesus] are sometimes wandering away instead moving steadily toward God. When we are wandering in the wrong direction, even then at His discretion God will provide us with the right answer because He knows what is deep down inside of us.
Who understands the parables of Jesus in every situation? No me, certainly, because sometimes my reason for wanting to know are wrong. That in itself can be a lesson.
A child of God needs to always be witness of what he has received from God. And wasn't it Francis of Assissi who added in effect that sometimes we may even need to use words.
We read and we study and we pray and we humble ourselves asking God always for His direction. Without Him, we can do nothing "good", no matter how much Bible we know.
