If you do not have the gifts of the Holy Spirit, then get baptized

[Bill]

To whom is Paul writing to?
As with all of the epistles they are letters to the Pentecostal Spirit-filled elect - the called out ones.
Disciples, believers, Christians of The Way who ALL obeyed the commandment to
repent from their dead works,
to be baptized in water for the forgiveness of their sins,
to confess their faith and call on the name of Jesus as their Lord and Saviour,
to be baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues so that they could pray in the power of the Holy Spirit,
to worship God the Father in Spirit and truth,
that Pentecostal disciples would shine out in the world not only by the transforming power of the Spirit of God dwelling within them, but also demonstrating
the truth and power of the gospel of salvation through signs following > tongues, miracles, healings, fruit of the Spirit,

1Cor 1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
both their Lord and ours:

The nine gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed for use by Pentecostal saints who are the body of Christ by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

As you know, the bible is set up as a foundation ( Jesus the cornerstone) all our understanding begings in Jesus. And Jesus states others will come and do even greater things than He had done.

This is not saying others would be greater, of course. As who can be like God?

So when we see Paul writing of 9 gifts, we must understand they are also ment to be foundational Gifts. It does not mean God is Limited

 

[Waggles]

As you know, the bible is set up as a foundation ( Jesus the cornerstone) all our understanding begings in Jesus. And Jesus states others will come and do even greater things than He had done.

This is not saying others would be greater, of course. As who can be like God?

So when we see Paul writing of 9 gifts, we must understand they are also meant to be foundational Gifts. It does not mean God is Limited

NO - they are the gifts of the Holy Spirit for use in the growth and development of the body of Christ - the Pentecostal ekklesia with signs following.
There is no alternative in the NT approved of by God.
Galatians 1:2 and all the brothers who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel -
1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

2Cor 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received,
or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

 

[Twistie]

NO - they are the gifts of the Holy Spirit for use in the growth and development of the body of Christ - the Pentecostal ekklesia with signs following.
There is no alternative in the NT approved of by God.
Galatians 1:2 and all the brothers who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel -
1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

2Cor 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received,
or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


Love love love His Words so so much...


Twistie

 

[Garee]

NO - they are the gifts of the Holy Spirit for use in the growth and development of the body of Christ - the Pentecostal ekklesia with signs following.
There is no alternative in the NT approved of by God

Can't see a spiritual gift.

How could any grow if they do not hear the gospel .

What kind of sign as metaphors follow the unseen work of the Holy Spirit .

Many have drank poison died . Is death the sign the follows ? What does drinking of the poison represent ?

 

[Bill]

NO - they are the gifts of the Holy Spirit for use in the growth and development of the body of Christ - the Pentecostal ekklesia with signs following.
There is no alternative in the NT approved of by God.
Galatians 1:2 and all the brothers who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel -
1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

2Cor 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received,
or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

You did not listen to what i said.

Of course those nine Gifts are the Gifts of the Spirit, silly. But they are the foundation of many other Gifts

 

[Bill]

Can't see a spiritual gift.

How could any grow if they do not hear the gospel .

What kind of sign as metaphors follow the unseen work of the Holy Spirit .

Many have drank poison died . Is death the sign the follows ? What does drinking of the poison represent ?

Lol , you can see the Spiritual Gifts when they are manifested via healing and other miracles.

 

[B-A-C]

But they are the foundation of many other Gifts

Can you give some examples of what some of these other gifts might be?

These are the nine "gifts" the Bible mentions.

1Cor 12:8; For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Cor 12:9; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1Cor 12:10; and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.

Everyone has at least one of those gifts, but hardly anyone ( if any at all ) have all the gifts. Not even everyone speaks in tongues.

1Cor 12:30; All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

Then there is the fruit of the Spirit. Not "fruits". It is singular in every translation I have. Either you have the fruit, or you don't. There is no "I have 'some' of the fruits".

Gal 5:22; But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23; gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24; Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25; If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Finally there are the administrations of the Spirit.

1Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

Eph 4:11; And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12; for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;

 

[B-A-C]

Can't see a spiritual gift.

How could any grow if they do not hear the gospel .

What kind of sign as metaphors follow the unseen work of the Holy Spirit .

Many have drank poison died . Is death the sign the follows ? What does drinking of the poison represent ?

You might not be able to "see" a spiritual gift. But you should definitely see the results of the gift. Blind can see, lame can walk, mute can speak, and demons are cast out.

Signs are not "metaphors". Can you give me any scripture that says they are?

The "unseen" work of the Holy Spirit is evident in people lives, they quit cursing/smoking/doing drugs/adultery/fornication/homosexuality/stealing/lying/being selfish ...etc...
You can see the fruit of the Spirit as evidence in their lives.

Some who drank poison were testing God, but some who drank poison didn't die. The drinking of the poison doesn't "represent" anything, it's literal poison.
About 90% of the Bible is literal, about 10% is metaphorical. But even the parables and metaphors never disagree with the physical reality of the metaphors used.

 

[Brad Huber]

About 90% of the Bible is literal, about 10% is metaphorical. But even the parables and metaphors never disagree with the physical reality of the metaphors used.

I would disagree, the bible is about 90% spiritual and 90% literal. In other words, about 10% is just literal, and 10% is just spiritual. I could be off a little, but not by much. Most of scripture, I see as both. I agree with the point that there is a literal explanation in most situations, but there is usually another spiritual matter in the same matter.

 

[Bill]

Can you give some examples of what some of these other gifts might be?

These are the nine "gifts" the Bible mentions.

1Cor 12:8; For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Cor 12:9; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1Cor 12:10; and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.

Everyone has at least one of those gifts, but hardly anyone ( if any at all ) have all the gifts. Not even everyone speaks in tongues.

1Cor 12:30; All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

Then there is the fruit of the Spirit. Not "fruits". It is singular in every translation I have. Either you have the fruit, or you don't. There is no "I have 'some' of the fruits".

Gal 5:22; But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23; gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24; Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25; If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Finally there are the administrations of the Spirit.

1Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

Eph 4:11; And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12; for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;

You can use gifts together , like the Gift of Sight and Healing . I have done very precision type healing . Removing demons is a form of healing ( of the soul ) .
Shielding yourself and others , whether it is from spiritual attacks or physical attacks. Out of the body spiritual warfare , is a real thing. I know some who do this and are members of talk Jesus.
Others can tell you thier dreams and visions, and there is a gift to be able to experience that other persons vision and dream. Etc etc etc

 

[B-A-C]

I would disagree, the bible is about 90% spiritual and 90% literal. In other words, about 10% is just literal, and 10% is just spiritual.

To me "spiritual" is a different word than "metaphor" or "parable". Let me turn this around a little...
Now perhaps all/most metaphors are spiritual, but not everything Spiritual is a metaphor. In fact the vast majority is not.

 

[Bill]

To me "spiritual" is a different word than "metaphor" or "parable". Let me turn this around a little...
Now perhaps all/most metaphors are spiritual, but not everything Spiritual is a metaphor. In fact the vast majority is not.

Jesus is the inspiration of all of the Scripture. It stands to reason that the scripture is both physical and spiritual at the same time

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus is the inspiration of all of the Scripture. It stands to reason that the scripture is both physical and spiritual at the same time

Even so, He isn't a metaphor, or a parable.

 

[Garee]

You might not be able to "see" a spiritual gift. But you should definitely see the results of the gift. Blind can see, lame can walk, mute can speak, and demons are cast out.

Signs are not "metaphors". Can you give me any scripture that says they are?

The "unseen" work of the Holy Spirit is evident in people lives, they quit cursing/smoking/doing drugs/adultery/fornication/homosexuality/stealing/lying/being selfish ...etc...
You can see the fruit of the Spirit as evidence in their lives.

Some who drank poison were testing God, but some who drank poison didn't die. The drinking of the poison doesn't "represent" anything, it's literal poison.
About 90% of the Bible is literal, about 10% is metaphorical. But even the parables and metaphors never disagree with the physical reality of the metaphors used.

Our righteousness nor of ourselves)surpasses that of Pharisee with Sadducees the sign seekers . They made Jesu into a circus seal saying. . .work your magic when we see it with our own eye then we will believe The pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind"

Yes eternal God looks on the inside. Temporal man looks upon what the eyes.

Its one reason why prescriptions like below are needed to rightly divide the parables it must be applied if we are to find the meaning of the metaphors .

2 Corinthian 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

New creatures walk by faith the unseen eternal thing of God . Unbeliever have no faith that could please God Again they must walk after the temporal things.

We are warned of those who seek after signs rather than prophecy as you say sign not seen follow the gospel work

The most obvious is drinking the poison or false apostles that bring false prophecy as oral tradition of men. Looking to the unseen things with their new tongue (gospel) raise the dead in thier tresspaes and sin.

The gospel it can bring new born again life with those who preach in a hope Christ will save them

Mark 16: 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 

[Garee]

Lol , you can see the Spiritual Gifts when they are manifested via healing and other miracles.

God is not served by human hands as a will . The laying on of hands is simply a form of prayer like any shadow used in ceremonies of the unseen eternal .It could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; it was a sign to the world not there own self we did it it proves it .

Those who do seek after signs before they will believe made the apostles into circus seals just as they did with Jesus the prophet causing blasphemy attributing the work of the unseen eternal God to the hands of mankind ,calling the apostles gods in the image of a sinner.

We preach God teaches

Acts 14: 7 And there they preached the gospel.And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (Gods ) to be healed,

Paul prophesied it was not the work of his flesh and blood .The Holy Spirit called the loud voice of God the sound of many waters

Acts 14:8-14 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people (faithless) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, . . .
Blasphemy

With one dark thought above they destroyed the work of the Father that they call ., , Jupiter the father of all gods and Mercury to represent the priest , Jesus the Son of man . . Satan the counterfeiter the upside down gods (legion) as false apostles false prophets .

 

[B-A-C]

Our righteousness nor of ourselves)surpasses that of Pharisee with Sadducees the sign seekers . They made Jesu into a circus seal saying. . .work your magic when we see it with our own eye then we will believe The pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind"

.. and yet, Jesus performed many miracles. It's dangerous to build a doctrine on one passage of scripture.

Matt 11:3; and said to Him, "Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?"
Matt 11:4; Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you hear and see:
Matt 11:5; the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

Luke 7:20; When the men came to Him, they said, "John the Baptist has sent us to You, to ask, 'Are You the Expected One, or do we look for someone else?'"
Luke 7:21; At that very time He cured many people of diseases and afflictions and evil spirits; and He gave sight to many who were blind.
Luke 7:22; And He answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you have seen and heard: the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

Question: How many verses in the new Testament say Jesus ( or Hid disciples ) did a miracle? ( i.e. walking on water, calming a storm, healing leprosy, making a blind man see, raising the dead... )
Would you say it's more of less than the verses that mention seeking a sign?

John 14:12; "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
John 21:25; And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.

Mark 16:17; "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

 

[B-A-C]

God is not served by human hands as a will .

Do you have scripture to support this?
God doesn't need people in order for His will to be accomplished, it's true. But the entire Bible is full of people God used to....

Lead the Jews out of Egypt to the promised land.
Hide the spies in Jericho.
Build an Ark.
Kill Goliath.
Bring down the walls at Jericho.
Interpret dream of the Pharaoh.
Kill a thousand Philistines.
Go preach to Nineveh.
Provide a basket with loaves of bread and fish.
.. and hundreds more examples. The truth is, God uses people. He uses people much more often than not.

How many miracles did Elijah and Elisha do?
How many miracles did the apostles do?
How many miracles people who weren't called apostles do?

 

[B-A-C]

We preach God teaches

The Holy Spirit teaches.. true.

Luke 12:12; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."
John 14:26; "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
But a half truth is still a whole lie.
The truth is, God gives some the gift of teaching, and he appoints some as teachers.
1Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
Eph 4:11; And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Heb 5:12; For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

 

[B-A-C]

Paul prophesied it was not the work of his flesh and blood

I don't anyone said it was. Still Paul was a man that God used. But how many other people in both the old and new Testament do you think prophesied besides Paul?
There is a whole list of people called "Prophets" in the Bible. ( Even a prophetess in the New testament ) Did Peter, James or John ever prophesy? Did anyone who wasn't called an apostle ever prophesy in the New Testament?

Those who do seek after signs

I agree there are many who do this. I also agree it isn't what God wants. However, you can't take those two statements and generically declare God doesn't want any to do any miracles. That's a straight out lie.

 

[Garee]

I don't anyone said it was. Still Paul was a man that God used. But how many other people in both the old and new Testament do you think prophesied besides Paul?
There is a whole list of people called "Prophets" in the Bible. ( Even a prophetess in the New testament ) Did Peter, James or John ever prophesy? Did anyone who wasn't called an apostle ever prophesy in the New Testament?

I think born again Abel who was sent with the word of God as a second born used to represent all born from above (the genealogy) as a apostle sent with prophecy . Cain the false prophet sent by the father of lies used to represent 666 (the mark of Cain) murdered Abel the first recorded martyr .a murderer from that very beginning

God is not served by the dying hands of mankind under a curse .He used a Ass a unclean ceremonial beast as a prophet sent as a apostle turning repenting the false apostle false prophet Balaam.

The living abiding word as a work of God working to both reveal his will to Balaam and move him to perform it to the god pleasure of God not seen Again to show God is not served with human hands he used a Ass used to represent a unbeliever . Unbelievers must be redeemed by the lamb

two is the one witness God has spoken

Similar to the fall Satan putting his lying word in the tongue of the serpent as a lying apostle sent with the oral traditions of men

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Three used to denote the end of a matter