Imputed Righteousness?

KingJ said:
I am not sure what you talking about. Would you mind quoting me please.
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In post 34, you wrote..."Did works save those in Abrahams bosom? It appears so."

As you opine that this story is not a parable, but is reality, what works were done by a man so sick that dogs were able to lick his sores?
If the format for telling history from a parable is that parables were announced before time, was the "parable" of the unjust steward also historical? (Luke 16)
 
At Peace said:
In post 34, you wrote..."Did works save those in Abrahams bosom? It appears so."

As you opine that this story is not a parable, but is reality, what works were done by a man so sick that dogs were able to lick his sores?
If the format for telling history from a parable is that parables were announced before time, was the "parable" of the unjust steward also historical? (Luke 16)
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Please read this. Abrahams bosom is not a parable, https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/the-rich-man-and-lazarus-luk.

What works did they do? The same we all need to do. God is impartial on all mankind. Repent and in accordance with Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

It's just that they did not yet qualify for God's presence as Jesus the only worthy sacrifice for sins Heb 10:1-18, was still to come. God foresaw the need for a paradise in Hades, as scripture says Jesus was planned before the foundations of the earth, to give His life for all mankind. Mankind sinning and being in death came as no surprise to God. Cain did not go to the same place in death as Abel. Joshua did not meet the Canaanites in Hades. Lot did not meet the people of Sodom in Hades. A good God would not allow this. So, your belief of them being in heaven is logical. But, you just need to grasp it could not have been a heaven with God, until after Jesus. Aka AB.

At Peace said:
If the format for telling history from a parable is that parables were announced before time,
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Why do you say that's the format?
 
I would agree it probably isn't a parable for two reasons. yes, usually they are identified as such.. "i.e. "...and He spoke to them this parable"...
Also in every parable he uses improper nouns (LOL - Jesus, improper) instead of saying "Lazarus", he simply says "a man", "a son", "a worker", etc...
But even if it is a parable. Paradise is also mentioned in reference to the thief on the cross. ( Luke 23:43; )

Depending on which Bible version you have it is also mentioned in 2 Cor 12:4; and Rev 2:7;

One of the main differences between Abraham's bosom... and say the Roman Catholic view of purgatory is... you can't get saved once you die.
 
KingJ said:
Please read this. Abrahams bosom is not a parable, https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/the-rich-man-and-lazarus-luk.
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Why would I believe that guy?
Who is he associated with?
Does he live without sin?
Could he be lying to our faces?

What works did they do? The same we all need to do. God is impartial on all mankind. Repent and in accordance with Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
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In the OT, they would have had to provide a sacrifice for sins.
We don't, as Jesus was the final sacrifice for past sins.
As you wrote that the beggar did some works to achieve his residency I would like to see both what sin he allegedly did and what offering he provided in your "historical" lesson.
It is, however; inferred that the rich man didn't help the poor man.
That's the warning at the heart of the parable.

It's just that they did not yet qualify for God's presence as Jesus the only worthy sacrifice for sins Heb 10:1-18, was still to come. God foresaw the need for a paradise in Hades, as scripture says Jesus was planned before the foundations of the earth, to give His life for all mankind. Mankind sinning and being in death came as no surprise to God. Cain did not go to the same place in death as Abel. Joshua did not meet the Canaanites in Hades. Lot did not meet the people of Sodom in Hades. A good God would not allow this. So, your belief of them being in heaven is logical. But, you just need to grasp it could not have been a heaven with God, until after Jesus. Aka AB.
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"Paradise in hell" is an oxymoron.
The bible calls it "hell", but you attribute Abraham's presence to it.

Where did you get the idea that Jesus' sacrifice would profit those who offend God during their lifetimes, after they had been dead for years or centuries?
"Not yet qualifying" infers some post death salvation experience.
That isn't biblical.
It is written..."And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" ((Hebrews 9:27)
You mistakenly ascribe paradise to those who deserve the second death.

Why do you say that's the format?
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You earlier used that as your reason to label the beggar-rich man parable as historical.
 
B-A-C said:
One of the main differences between Abraham's bosom... and say the Roman Catholic view of purgatory is... you can't get saved once you die.
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Purgatory?
That helps my understanding of "kingJ' POV.
He feels that what he does with his life doesn't really matter, as a saving grace will be shed...again...for him.
 
KingJ said:
Peace, you have not properly read what I have written. You are skimming, you must have had a long day :wink:.
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That could be...had my first day of therapy for some shoulder impingement I've been dealing with.
Can we agree on this one point...the moral of the "story" is this...men should love their neighbors as themselves.?
 
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