Instant Sanctification vs on-going process

[NetChaplain]

Anyone who is of the belief that there was some kind of revival of the gifts in 1906 would be mistaken. The gifts of the Holy Spirit
have been alive since the day of Pentecost. Whether or not church history records this to any extent is meaningless. The
scripture is the authority on these matters and not church history, who cares what the Catholic Church did during the last
thousand years or more.

Hi DHC - Thank you for your reply to my post, in that it helped me realize the significance of indicating that the time laps of recorded Church history concerning the gifts of the Spirit was about 1500 years (circa 100-1500 a.d.), and that it was the "Azusu" event which contributed most to the formation of contemporary Glossolalian religions within the last century such as: the Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Pentecostal Holiness Church, Wesleyan Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, Pentecostal Church of God, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World and many others which are not as mainline as these.

“Today, there are more than 500 million Pentecostal and charismatic believers across the globe, and it is the fastest-growing form of Christianity today. The Azusa Street Revival is commonly regarded as the beginning of the modern-day Pentecostal Movement.” Azusa Street Revival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (last paragraph)

I want it to be clear that my comments and replies in this thread are intended as an information source only, and I have no intentions of debating with anyone concerning the material, but to present it for viewing. The subject concerning the concept of spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12) and the actuality of their usages will be an unclear truth to many until the Millennium, and therefore debating this subject presents a high sensitivity to argument (not suspecting anyone of this).

 

[B-A-C]

Hi BAC - Good subject and well supplied information. I'm with the understanding that Pentecostalism has its origin from, what many are not familiar with--the Azusa Street Revival in 1906, in which it was claimed that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit were "restarted."

I have also heard this claim. I'm not sure I totally agree. Have you ever heard of the Quakers, also another less popular group called the Shakers.
Do you know why thy were called the Quakers, Shakers and Holy Rollers? They were around long before 1906.

“Today, there are more than 500 million Pentecostal and charismatic believers across the globe, and it is the fastest-growing form of Christianity today. The Azusa Street Revival is commonly regarded as the beginning of the modern-day Pentecostal Movement.”

I have attended Pentecostal churches where I have heard this statement. However, I find places throughout Christian history of miracles, healings, prophecies,
and even things a word of wisdom or word of prophecy. The Assemblies of God may be the biggest Protestant church right now, but I personally don't believe they
invented "Pentecostalism". In fact it may even be, that the Azuza street revival was just simply one of the more publicized events.

 

[B-A-C]

The Bible is comprised of old covenant (law) and new covenant (grace). It's like you are drawn to law for some unknown reason to erroneously translate the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible describes law as death and grace as life (see scripture below). Mixing the two creates irreconcilable discrepancies

I think there is a great misunderstanding of what the law of grace is. It isn't a get of jail free card do whatever I want, live however I want and Jesus has me covered
grace. I also believe there is a great misunderstanding about the difference between "the law" (which the New Testament says we aren't under) and the
commandments (which we are told over 20 times in the New Testament to obey, and that obedience to them is required).

 

[DHC]

Hi DHC - Thank you for your reply to my post, in that it helped me realize the significance of indicating that the time laps of recorded Church history concerning the gifts of the Spirit was about 1500 years (circa 100-1500 a.d.), and that it was the "Azusu" event which contributed most to the formation of contemporary Glossolalian religions within the last century such as: the Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Pentecostal Holiness Church, Wesleyan Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, Pentecostal Church of God, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World and many others which are not as mainline as these.

“Today, there are more than 500 million Pentecostal and charismatic believers across the globe, and it is the fastest-growing form of Christianity today. The Azusa Street Revival is commonly regarded as the beginning of the modern-day Pentecostal Movement.” Azusa Street Revival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (last paragraph)

I want it to be clear that my comments and replies in this thread are intended as an information source only, and I have no intentions of debating with anyone concerning the material, but to present it for viewing. The subject concerning the concept of spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12) and the actuality of their usages will be an unclear truth to many until the Millennium, and therefore debating this subject presents a high sensitivity to argument (not suspecting anyone of this).

Hello Net Chaplain.

You said that you did not wish to pursue a conversation on the subject of the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit and that the subject was unclear and sensitive.

The subject concerning the concept of spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12) and the actuality of their
usages will be an unclear truth to many until the Millennium,

You have the right of course to resist any conversation on this subject. Though the clarity
regarding the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is quite clear and is recorded in church history.

You may need to do some research on the subject of the Holy Spirit and the Gifts of
the Holy Spirit. In post # 21 you made the following statements.

Thank you for your reply to my post, in that it helped me realize the significance of indicating
that the time laps of recorded Church history concerning the gifts of the Spirit was about 1500
years (circa 100-1500 a.d.)

Where are you getting your information from Net Chaplain, I hope that wikipedia is not the
sole source of the information that you are presenting. To quote '(circa 100-1500 a.d.)' is
not in the ball park, time wise, regarding a hypothesis of the cessation of the Gifts of the
Holy Spirit. You thanked me for the information then stumbled again on this subject.

Tertullian wrote about Christianity and his writings are dated near the end of the second
century and through into the early third century. Tertullian had a profound influence on
the theology of the trinity, especially in relation to the Holy Spirit in Church history.
It could easily be argued that Tertullian was the first Pentecostal-Charismatic theologian!

Tertullian is also regarded as the founder of western theology!

There is no basis in the history of the church to support a cessation viewpoint!

If a cessation follower pushes for a discontinuity of the Gifts, post first century, then the
cessation position is refuted by Tertullian and might I also add Origen to this
refutation. Because both of these writers report the manifestation of the gifts
in their own time periods, i.e., post first century.

This subject may be sensitive to some Net Chaplain, but not sensitive to the many.

Romans 16
7 Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are
outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

There were apostles other that the twelve, Paul and those mentioned above were apostles.
To be an apostle is one distinct ministry of the Holy Spirit, and is still active even to this
day. Do your research Net Chaplain and avoid promoting theologies without doing
the background research. Avoid 'wikipedia' as a sole source especially on subjects that
are controversial among some church traditions such as the Catholic and Reformed
church traditions.

 

[NetChaplain]

Avoid 'wikipedia' as a sole source

Thanks for the suggestions but I find nearly all sources pertaining to the subject of Spiritual gifts fairly equal in their accuracy. Wikipedia resources are well researched, documented and cited concerning its contributors, and I find it never a soul source, but is in my opinion above average in accuracy.

Information is always dependent upon opinions of researchers, therefore each has their own chosen conclusions which, as we know, must be in accordance with Scripture (which also concerns each one's opinion of what they determine to be Scriptural truth of what they believe the Spirit is teaching them.)

 

[NetChaplain]

There were apostles other that the twelve, Paul and those mentioned above were apostles.
To be an apostle is one distinct ministry of the Holy Spirit, and is still active even to this
day.

Here's one advantage of utilizing Bible commentaries. The phrase "who are of note among the apostles" does not mean there were other Apostles other than the 12 (except Paul). It means there were those who the apostles took note of.

"Who are of note among the apostles; "were well known by, and in great account with the twelve apostles, though not of their number; they might be converted by them, and be followers of them in Judea; they are thought by some to be of the number of the seventy disciples, whom Christ himself sent forth to preach: Andronicus particularly is mentioned among them, and said to be bishop of Pannonia, or rather of Spain; See Gill on "Luke 10:1"; however, they might be preachers of the Gospel, and be persons of great fame and renown as such; for which reason they might be called apostles, that being a name sometimes given to ordinary ministers of the word, and to such who were messengers of the churches, 2 Corinthians 8:23, as these might be, and were famous for their prudent, faithful, and diligent discharge of their office and duty." J Gill

 

[B-A-C]

in great account with the twelve apostles, though not of their number

There are at least 15 people mentioned as Apostles in the Bible.
The original twelve, but also Matthias, Paul, and Barnabas. ( Acts 1:26; Acts 14:14; Rom 1:1; 1 Cor 1:1;, etc.. )

Being an apostle is considered a spiritual ministry. ( 1 Cor 12:28-29; )

 

[DHC]

Here's one advantage of utilizing Bible commentaries. The phrase "who are of note among the apostles" does not mean there were other Apostles other than the 12 (except Paul). It means there were those who the apostles took not of.

"Who are of note among the apostles; "were well known by, and in great account with the twelve apostles, though not of their number; they might be converted by them, and be followers of them in Judea; they are thought by some to be of the number of the seventy disciples, whom Christ himself sent forth to preach: Andronicus particularly is mentioned among them, and said to be bishop of Pannonia, or rather of Spain; See Gill on "Luke 10:1"; however, they might be preachers of the Gospel, and be persons of great fame and renown as such; for which reason they might be called apostles, that being a name sometimes given to ordinary ministers of the word, and to such who were messengers of the churches, 2 Corinthians 8:23, as these might be, and were famous for their prudent, faithful, and diligent discharge of their office and duty." J Gill

Hello Net Chaplain.

Here's one advantage of utilizing Bible commentaries. The phrase "who are of note among the apostles" does not mean there were other Apostles other
than the 12 (except Paul). It means there were those who the apostles took not of.

Well Net Chaplain, your friend J.Gill did not read the scripture because he left out Barnabas in the list of the apostles.
It appears your commentary may have led you down the garden path Net Chaplain.

 

[LoveStory]

I think there is a great misunderstanding of what the law of grace is.

Indeed.

Oh ye of little faith, if you want to live by the law, go for it. Are you prepared to die by the law?
For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws. James 2:10

Here ya go, the law:
The 10 Commandments: 1.Put God first. 2.Worship God only. 3.Respect God's name. 4.Remember the Sabbath. 5.Honor your parents. 6.Do not kill. 7.Do not commit adultery. 8.Do not steal. 9.Do not lie. 10.Do not covet.

It isn't a get of jail free card do whatever I want, live however I want and Jesus has me covered grace.

Tisk, tisk. That's a little offensive to me. The Holy Spirit is powerful! Dig deeper. Please read my testimony in this thread.

The unmerited favor of God is what draws us to God instead of sin. Please read the book of Romans.

You're a smart guy. Someday you'll have a revelation like the rest of us so called "get out of jail free" card carrying Jesus Freaks and when you do, the Bible will suddenly light up for you where you have no more doubts about your salvation and what obeying the 10 commandants (aka, the law) really means.

As I've said over and over again, many of the scriptures that are misinterpreted in the New Testament are taken out of context: the speaker isn't considered, or to whom the speaker is addressing isn't considered. Some scriptures are talking about supernatural phenomenon; such as, those related to the work of the Holy Spirit working through a born again Christian and NOT *you* literally working out your salvation.

Come on man, man up and stand firm on who you are in Christ! When you're saved you're saved; live like you're saved and stop doubting what Jesus did for you! God gave you a new heart and a new spirit; you're a changed man!

If you want to understand spiritual things, consider getting baptized with the Holy Spirit; it made a huge difference for me. Also, consider praying for God to show you the truth and the Hoy Spirit will lead you into truth as you read the New Testament in its entirety. When you are done, you should have no doubts God is love and you are saved. And your focus will be on what Jesus did instead of what you did yourself.

I also believe there is a great misunderstanding about the difference between "the law" (which the New Testament says we aren't under) and the
commandments (which we are told over 20 times in the New Testament to obey, and that obedience to them is required).

P.S., LOL! Grace is mentioned 170 times (in the KJV).

EDIT:
For clarification, "the law" (in part) IS the 10 commandments. They are written on our hearts when we are saved; the Holy Spirit leads us and moves us to follow HIM. For scripture reference, please see my other posts in this thread. If you think the Bible is telling the born again Christians to follow the law (the 10 commandments), you're misunderstanding what's going on. The blood of Jesus fulfilled the law (the 10 commandments). Only the unsaved are subject to the law. I beg you to please read the book of Romans.

Also, You mentioned the "law of grace." There is no such thing as the "law of grace." God's grace is pure, unadulterated grace! Thank you, Jesus!

 

[B-A-C]

As I've said over and over again, many of the scriptures that are misinterpreted in the New Testament are taken out of context: the speaker isn't considered, or to whom the speaker is addressing isn't considered. Some scriptures are talking about supernatural phenomenon; such as, those related to the work of the Holy Spirit working through a born again Christian and NOT *you* literally working out your salvation.

And you would be just as incorrect as all the other non free-will Calvinists.

For clarification, "the law" (in part) IS the 10 commandments. They are written on our hearts when we are saved; the Holy Spirit leads us and moves us to follow HIM. For scripture reference, please see my other posts in this thread. If you think the Bible is telling the born again Christians to follow the law (the 10 commandments), you're misunderstanding what's going on. The blood of Jesus fulfilled the law (the 10 commandments). Only the unsaved are subject to the law. I beg you to please read the book of Romans.

I was probably teaching the book of Romans before you were born. (unless you're past 50)
The problem with the we are slaves to the will of God and there is no free-will theory is that we still sin.
Is it God's will that we sin? Of course not. Then why do we do it? Because we have the freedom to do so.
You are correct only the unsaved are subject to the law, however the saved are subject to the commandments.
The book of Romans isn't the only book in the Bible, but even if it was, it doesn't say we don't have free will.

1 Tim 2:3; This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1 Tim 2:4; who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

He desires "ALL" men to become saved, so why doesn't everyone get saved? Because some choose not to be.

2 Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

The Holy Spirit doesn't force himself upon anyone, we have the power to grieve Him and to resist Him. He will help us (He is called the "Helper" not the "Enforcer") and
guide us and encourage us, but he doesn't force us.

Acts 7:51; "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Did Paul really preach that we can sin all we want in Romans?

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Rom 13:8; Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9; For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10; Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Rom 13:13; Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.
Rom 13:14; But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

Grace doesn't replace the 10 commandments. t covers us when we fail at keeping them.

Matt 5:17; "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Luke 16:17; "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

Not everyone who thinks they are saved actually are. So what separates those who believe in Jesus and are saved from those who believe in Jesus and aren't?

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.

There are people who teach grace as a get out of jail free card and a license to sin. The Bible talks about this too.

Jude 1:4; For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into a license to sin and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

You claim to be a follower of Jesus? That means you do the things Jesus did. So what was one of the things Jesus did?

John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Many people claim John 3:16 as the entire gospel in a verse. This is a partial gospel. There are two other things required for eternal life.

Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to have eternal life, keep the commandments."
Gal 6:8; For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life

1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him

You are correct, the 10 commandments say do this, don't do that. Following them is work. In fact faith itself is a work.

Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Rom 2:13; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

Also, You mentioned the "law of grace." There is no such thing as the "law of grace." God's grace is pure, unadulterated grace!

Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

It's only grace for those who are led by the Spirit. Even then Jesus "fulfills" the part we miss.

Gal 5:18; But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

How do you know if you led of the Spirit and not of the flesh? Galatians 5:19-23; is a good place to start.

 

[B-A-C]

God doesn't always search us out. Sometimes he wants us to search him out.

Heb 7:25; Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 11:6; And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Jer 29:13; 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
Acts 17:27; that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Matt 6:33; "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Deut 4:29; "But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.
1 Chron 16:10; Glory in His holy name; Let the heart of those who seek the LORD be glad.
1 Chron 16:11; Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His face continually.

 

[DHC]

As I've said over and over again, many of the scriptures that are misinterpreted in the New Testament are taken out of context: the speaker isn't considered, or to whom the speaker is addressing isn't considered.

Hello LoveStory.

You just about summed up the reason for the widespread misunderstanding of the scripture that prevails in Christianity.

Many of the scriptures that are misinterpreted in the New Testament are taken out of context

Many Christians quote passages and say the Bible teaches this and that, when often the passages
were never intended for them in the first place. All too often the context of the letter is ignored and the
authors target audience is also misunderstood.

Well said LoveStory, you have some pedigree in your approach to understanding the scripture.

 

[james1523]

Let's look at the facts in the Bible...

the Bible teaches us that there is an encounter with the Holy Spirit that is clearly subsequent to salvation called the baptism in the Holy Spirit. Dr. R. A. Torrey, first head of the Moody Bible Institute has written: "It is evident that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an operation of the Holy Spirit distinct from and additional to His regeneration work. A man may be regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and still not be baptized with the Holy Spirit. In regeneration, there is the impartation of life by the Spirit’s power and the one who receives it is saved; in the baptism with the Holy Spirit, there is the impartation of power, and the one who receives it is fitted for service…"

It is not God’s plan that man is merely born again by the power of the agency of the Holy Spirit. His desire is that men be fully filled with and controlled by the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit working in and through every aspect of man’s existence. Not only filled with, but immersed in, wholly consumed inside and out with the Holy Spirit.

They who are Christ’s have the Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Spirit resides in their hearts. Thus we see that all true born-again believers have the Holy Spirit. They have truly begun in the Spirit according to Galatians 3:3. All they have in the way of Christian vitality and experience is the work of the Holy Spirit.

As Chancellor Oral Roberts once said, "Let the Spirit of God fill us and refill us as individuals and the body of Christ with boldness and set our souls on fire for God. Open the door and invite the Holy Spirit into your life, yield yourself to Him every aspect of your life. And when you do there’s a miracle that bursts within you, there’s a miracle that lives and moves within your being. And every day of your life can be a miraculous visitation from God."

“For in Him (Christ) the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature]. And you are in Him, made full and having come to fullness of life [in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead — Father, Son and Holy Spirit — and reach full spiritual stature]” (Col 2:9-10).

“I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my
decrees” (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

“I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate (Comforter, Encourager, Counselor), who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it isn't looking for Him and doesn't recognize Him. But you know Him, because He lives with you now and later will be in you (John 14:16-17).]

Receiving the power of the Spirit and the spiritual gifts are distinct from the experience of inward sanctification by the work of the Spirit in our spirit. Same Spirit but two different experiences for two different purposes.
A person who has newly received Christ and the baptism of the Spirit is not fully sanctified, being only sanctified in their spirit. Then begins the lifelong process of sanctification in the heart.
As an example, a common mistake is to give leadership positions to newly saved believers who have received the power Spirit, which ultimately leads to failure because they don't have the inward sanctification of their mind, emotions, will. There seems to be a view that if one receives the baptism of the Spirit then everything will be OK. This is common view in Pentecostalism and there are numerous ministries, churches and revivals which have failed because of this. The classical story - "man gets saved, works miracles, saves many, gets leadership position, has affair with secretary, has to step down from leadership" - all within 5 years. But the qualifications of a church leader in scripture are clear (1 Tim 3:2-12), and none of them have anything to do with spiritual power or gifts, but inward and outward sanctification.

 

[james1523]

Sorry LoveStory God the Trinity told me to delete my last post since it was too personal and biased for this thread, for no good reason at all really except my own senility ha ha.

 

[B-A-C]

God sanctifies us the instant we receive his spirit in us.
But, what has been sanctified? If we have received Christ, our spirit has been made alive, has been "reborn by an incorruptible seed. " (1 Peter 1 :23) The "new creation" in Christ is holy, righteous, incorruptible, sanctified
1 Corinthians 1:2
1 Corinthians 6:11

I believe the "incorruptable" is after we have received our new "imperishable" bodies. Also it's interesting that 1 Cor 6:11 is given as an example of those who "have been" sanctified.
But it's also a good example of those who have gone through the process of sanctification.

1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

The key here word here is "were" as in "used to be this way", not as in "still are this way". If they were living that lifestyle they wouldn't be sanctified.
It's also true we are sanctified when we get saved of all of the sins up to that point. But like my car, it still gets dirty from time to time.
Confessing new sins is still required. We don't have to get re-saved, we just need our feet washed every once in a while.

John 13:9; Simon Peter *said to Him, "Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head."
John 13:10; Jesus *said to him, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you."

2 Cor 7:1; Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
1 Jn 1:9; If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[RJ]

I believe the "incorruptable" is after we have received our new "imperishable" bodies. Also it's interesting that 1 Cor 6:11 is given as an example of those who "have been" sanctified.
But it's also a good example of those who have gone through the process of sanctification.

1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

The key here word here is "were" as in "used to be this way", not as in "still are this way". If they were living that lifestyle they wouldn't be sanctified.
It's also true we are sanctified when we get saved of all of the sins up to that point. But like my car, it still gets dirty from time to time.
Confessing new sins is still required. We don't have to get re-saved, we just need our feet washed every once in a while.

John 13:9; Simon Peter *said to Him, "Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head."
John 13:10; Jesus *said to him, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you."

2 Cor 7:1; Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
1 Jn 1:9; If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I believe the "incorruptable" is after we have received our new "imperishable" bodies.

• Where exactly do you think happens to you or where you go when you die.
• When exactly do you feel that you recieve your resurrected body? John 6:40 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
• What does the above mean "shall have eternal life"?
• Is " on the last day" mean on earth and also the spirit world or just on earth and the physical world. The spirit world is God and there is no end!