Is America Babylon?

[Hekuran]

But i think very highly of the "congregation or assembly, the call out ones" of "the God Almighty". "The Temple of GOD"
Per se "Holy Scripture".

"Do you not know that your body is the temples of the Holy Spirit who is in you? (1Cor. 6:19).
"Know you not that you are the Temple of God , and the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Cor.3:16).
"Or what agreement does the Temple of God have with idols [jmages]? For we are the temple of the Living God; just as God said, I Will Dwell Among Them, And Walk Amond Them, And I Willl Be Their God, AndThey shall Be My People. (2 Cor. 6:16).

There is only One True Church and only One TrueGod and only One True Temple for in which God Dwells in. So where ever a " True Child of God" go's. God's Temple is there, where it is in a "SuperMarket" or a "corner institionalize church" or the Supreme Court of the United States of America or The " Halls of Paraliament" in The United Kingdom, of Great Britian. And Northern Ireland. If TheTrueChild of God is There, so is The Temple of God. Declares "GOD Amighty" and not me.

That's an absolute nonsense reading of scripture and I'm sure you know it. It doesn't fit at all with the way congregations behaved or were taught in New Testament times.

It is absolutely crystal clear that all followers of Christ organised themselves in small communities that met - worshipped, ate together, shared words of prophecy, leaned together, prayed and supported each other's needs.

Each community also had a structure in which elders could teach newer members, and in which members who strayed could be disciplined or corrected.

If a person chooses to stay outside of a local fellowship in which they can serve and be supported by others, he or she is being disobedient to the scriptures.

You cannot claim to have a high view of the congregation and at the same time urge people to leave their congregation.

 

[Hekuran]

Double post in error. Please delete.

 

[DieAmartyr]

I'll say I was a seer...With the dementia I don't know what I'm seeing. Is it real, is it prophetic, is it hallucination? Its hard to know

Oh no! You have dementia going on? Hallucinations? How long have you had this? Is it scary sometimes? I really feel for you. I cannot imagine..

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Oh no! You have dementia going on? Hallucinations? How long have you had this? Is it scary sometimes? I really feel for you. I cannot imagine..

LOL I have what is called Lewy Body Dementia...like all dementias its terminal....Cool Everybody dies. So I get to go home when this is done. And hey! The way things are going in this world I could get raptured first anyway. So don't feel sorry...Celebrate what Jesus has done for us. Right? I make a point of looking for the humor in life too.

 

[DieAmartyr]

LOL I have what is called Lewy Body Dementia...like all dementias its terminal....Cool Everybody dies. So I get to go home when this is done. And hey! The way things are going in this world I could get raptured first anyway. So don't feel sorry...Celebrate what Jesus has done for us. Right? I make a point of looking for the humor in life too.

Amen to that! I am familiar with Lewy Body Dementia. Sometimes the brain and the mouth quit connecting from what I've seen of it which is extremely frustrating for some who know what they want to say but the mouth betrays them. I do and don't feel sorry for you. I am actually kind of jealous! We can all hope for the Rapture but who knows the criteria? I know the clothing we wear makes a difference and though I live a more humble lifestyle now, some of my clothing does not reflect it but it is all I have! If I could replace my wardrobe to match my heart now I would but I can't afford to.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Amen to that! I am familiar with Lewy Body Dementia. Sometimes the brain and the mouth quit connecting from what I've seen of it which is extremely frustrating for some who know what they want to say but the mouth betrays them. I do and don't feel sorry for you. I am actually kind of jealous! We can all hope for the Rapture but who knows the criteria? I know the clothing we wear makes a difference and though I live a more humble lifestyle now, some of my clothing does not reflect it but it is all I have! If I could replace my wardrobe to match my heart now I would but I can't afford to.

Just remember, my friend, It's not about you, or me, Its all about the King...Remember the story of Ester? Look her up. She makes a good role model...After Jesus of course.

 

[PloughBoy]

That's an absolute nonsense reading of scripture and I'm sure you know it. It doesn't fit at all with the way congregations behaved or were taught in New Testament times.

It is absolutely crystal clear that all followers of Christ organised themselves in small communities that met - worshipped, ate together, shared words of prophecy, leaned together, prayed and supported each other's needs.

Each community also had a structure in which elders could teach newer members, and in which members who strayed could be disciplined or corrected.

If a person chooses to stay outside of a local fellowship in which they can serve and be supported by others, he or she is being disobedient to the scriptures.

You cannot claim to have a high view of the congregation and at the same time urge people to leave their congregation.

Are you sure? And if they did what "Manuscript" did they use? And what centuries are you referring to? And what "Etymology" of the word "congregation", are you referring to as well? And what form of "biblical"Hermeneutics"
are using or are you speculating the "writen" text of "Holy Scripture" by model day speculations. To arrive at a conclusion?

P.S. What do you mean by using the "Term "New Testament Times" for my clarification in that context.


Just a reminder we all are going for the "Edification of the Body of Saints" the Truth of God. And not to prove who knows the most. We are called to do a diligent search. To turn over ever stone. Every "iota"!

 

[Hekuran]

I'm serious in my warning about disobedience @PloughBoy. I'm not going to go into long and distracting conversations about etymolgy or the meaning of words.

Read the first description of the ekklesia. They met together.

Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were being done by the apostles. All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home and ate their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having the goodwill of all the people. And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.

 

[PloughBoy]

I'm serious in my warning about disobedience @PloughBoy. I'm not going to go into long and distracting conversations about etymolgy or the meaning of words.

Read the first description of the ekklesia. They met together.

Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were being done by the apostles. All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home and ate their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having the goodwill of all the people. And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.

So since you have the authority by who i dont know, to label me a disobedient "what i do not know"! As if you had divine power by "The God Almighty". To place judgment upon me and label as such. For telling one to do indepth study of biblical words and the "etymology" as if that was demonic, and not a liking and favorable unto "The LORD" of His servants.

Disobedience; Disobedient:

dis-o-be'-di-ens, (marah; apeitheo, parakouo): The word used chiefly in the New Testament has the general meaning of a lack of regard for authority or rulership. The stronger meaning of actual stubbornness or violence is perhaps conveyed in the Old Testament (1Ki 13:26; Ne 9:26; compare 1Ki 13:21).

In the New Testament there seem to be two rather clearly defined uses of the word, one objective and practical, the other ethical and psychological. The first refers more to conduct, the second to belief and one's mental attitude toward the object of disobedience. To the first belong such passages as refer to the overt act of disobedience to one's parents (Ro 1:30; 2Ti 3:2). Illustrating this more fully, the translation according to the King James Version of 1Ti 1:9 is given as "unruly" in the Revised Version (British and American). By far the greater emphasis, however, is placed upon the distinctly ethical quality in which disobedience is really an attitude of the mind and finds its essence in a heart of unbelief and unfaithfulness (1Pe 2:7,8; Eph 2:2; 5:6; Col 3:6). In the latter three references "children (sons) of disobedience" are mentioned, as if one should become the very offspring of such an unhappy and unholy state of mind. The classic phrase of New Testament literature (Ac 26:19) contains both the practical and the ethical aspects. Paul's convictions were changed by the vision and his conduct was made to conform immediately to it.

And still i wonder did you mean a more forcefull, are you are really calling me a child of the devil and referring to "holy Scripture". "As a child of disobebience". In saying this in any case I feel no remorse or animosity towards you what so ever and i know i will face those very words you have written and thought against me at "The Bema Seat". For every word we have spoken and thought is recorded and be brought up at the "Bema Seat"! And may the LORD be the righful judge at that time.

And I take it you are a man that does not use words lightly but have full knowledge of the words you choose.

And that you mean exactly what you say.

I am not attacking you, in any way but expressing what you have label me by your very own words and the out come at the "Bema Seat" in which you think i will not appear by your words.

 

[DieAmartyr]

Just remember, my friend, It's not about you, or me, Its all about the King...Remember the story of Ester? Look her up. She makes a good role model...After Jesus of course.

Oh I know who it is about praise the Lord, but it doesn't make your story and what you are going through insignificant. I am an Empath and I care about people, probably more than I should but I cannot help that. We can control how we think but we cannot control how we feel.( or don't) so I just roll with it. I am able to love Jesus Christ with all of my being and still have love for others as my love for Him also goes out to them .

 

[DieAmartyr]

I'm serious in my warning about disobedience @PloughBoy. I'm not going to go into long and distracting conversations about etymolgy or the meaning of words.

Read the first description of the ekklesia. They met together.

Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were being done by the apostles. All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home and ate their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having the goodwill of all the people. And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.

If it were only more like that today. I used to go to church and leave with a full satisfied feeling with the Pastor pretty much nailing it on the head as far as what we needed to hear and now when I go, I leave feeling like " what kind of message was that? Some sugar coated fluff or Obey the government message?" I have been discouraged with the message presented and don't feel " meshed" with the people. Something is " off".

 

[Hekuran]

@PloughBoy no I don't think you are a child of the devil, and I'm not assuming a position of authority over you or anyone else.

I'm urging you as a brother in Christ to consider again belonging to a local Christian fellowship. The ekklesia, the Body of Christ, is God's gift to us, and commiting ourselves to our brothers and sisters, submitting to the authority of the Body can be a gift to others.

I'm convinced that we best work out our salvation and grow in holiness as we share our lives as a community under christ.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

If it were only more like that today. I used to go to church and leave with a full satisfied feeling with the Pastor pretty much nailing it on the head as far as what we needed to hear and now when I go, I leave feeling like " what kind of message was that? Some sugar coated fluff or Obey the government message?" I have been discouraged with the message presented and don't feel " meshed" with the people. Something is " off".

I will say that 'MOST' people NEED to go to church..Why? Because they are not mature enough to stand without it. They lack the maturity to be answerable to our leader Jesus...So without an assembly they wander from thing to thing, from sensation to sensation...Kind of a spiritual dementia if I may phrase it that way.

 

[DieAmartyr]

I will say that 'MOST' people NEED to go to church..Why? Because they are not mature enough to stand without it. They lack the maturity to be answerable to our leader Jesus...So without an assembly they wander from thing to thing, from sensation to sensation...Kind of a spiritual dementia if I may phrase it that way.

That is true but if you spend every day with the Word and Jesus is in most every thought, and the church is "off track", I would rather not go right now because the people are going for themselves rather be than to glorify God. They seem like " I'm here for what God does for me" rather than " I'm here to praise God". The women in their sensual attire, showing lots of skin and high heels and the men ogling about. It is not what God intended. I am not judging them, I am merely perceiving the overall " feel" of the church atmosphere.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

That is true but if you spend every day with the Word and Jesus is in most every thought, and the church is "off track", I would rather not go right now because the people are going for themselves rather be than to glorify God. They seem like " I'm here for what God does for me" rather than " I'm here to praise God". The women in their sensual attire, showing lots of skin and high heels and the men ogling about. It is not what God intended.

My wife and I have not been into a church building for many many years. We no longer even know what goes on there. But my wife's bible is falling apart from long use. Mine is still holding together, but she also keeps notes in her Book. I keep mine separate. LOL We strongly believe that one CANNOT read the Word intellectually. It MUST be read in the presense of the Holy Spirit with the attitude of 'He is out teacher' If one wants to do it intellectually, he might as well have LBD.... Yes. I do get a lot of laughs out of having dementia...Though sometimes I wonder if it isn't the world that has dementia and not me?

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy no I don't think you are a child of the devil, and I'm not assuming a position of authority over you or anyone else.

I'm urging you as a brother in Christ to consider again belonging to a local Christian fellowship. The ekklesia, the Body of Christ, is God's gift to us, and commiting ourselves to our brothers and sisters, submitting to the authority of the Body can be a gift to others.

I'm convinced that we best work out our salvation and grow in holiness as we share our lives as a community under christ.

Why do we have the "Paraclete, The Advocate" for. And why did Jesus send Him. Or did Jesus lie concerning His mission? And I am believing in a lie.

“If you love me, keep my commands.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be
in you.
I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

"Did not he say come out from among them". Todays churches are mixed with kinds of people. And a little leaven will spoil the whole bunch. Why do you think "Ananis and Sapphira was stuck down in Acts. I believe They were fakes and not true "children of God" and tried to fooled Peter, . And fear fell among others and only the true believes assembly together in secret. Others would not dare try, after word got out about the "New Religion" "The People of The Way".
To keep the fellowship of true believers in Christ unspoted by the world and spies. That is only my opinion of the event, as others have given theirs concernings about those two, in the book of the Acts of the Apostles.

"Bad company corrupts good morals"
"One bad apple will spoil the whole barrel"
"Just a little leaven spoils the whole lump"
[A clean white towel does not clean a plug of mud, no matter how hard you rub]!

Joining a church is a lot easier today than it was in the 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries too!

 

[PloughBoy]

Why do we have the "Paraclete, The Advocate" for. And why did Jesus send Him. Or did Jesus lie concerning His mission? And I am believing in a lie.

“If you love me, keep my commands.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be
in you.
I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

"Did not he say come out from among them". Todays churches are mixed with kinds of people. And a little leaven will spoil the whole bunch. Why do you think "Ananis and Sapphira was stuck down in Acts. I believe They were fakes and not true "children of God" and tried to fooled Peter, . And fear fell among others and only the true believes assembly together in secret. Others would not dare try, after word got out about the "New Religion" "The People of The Way".
To keep the fellowship of true believers in Christ unspoted by the world and spies. That is only my opinion of the event, as others have given theirs concernings about those two, in the book of the Acts of the Apostles.

"Bad company corrupts good morals"
"One bad apple will spoil the whole barrel"
"Just a little leaven spoils the whole lump"
[A clean white towel does not clean a plug of mud, no matter how hard you rub]!

Joining a church is a lot easier today than it was in the 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries too!


PS. The Ekklesia is a "Transliterated" word of a public place of assembly of people gather together for a purpose.
"TalkJesus" is a "Ekklesia" where the body of Christ assembles and it has "Overseers" who Shepherds and some on here edifies the body of Christ and some who evangelizes the unsaved.

 

[Hekuran]

We're derailing the thread. Can we continue on this thread, started today

John's Message to the Churches of Asia - Stay Home?

Hi guys, I have noticed a number of TJ'ers quite openly stating that they no longer go to a church. What? The issues they raise fall into two categories. Some believe that the church is not worthy of them, others recount bad experiences of church. You can scour the Bible from cover to cover...

www.talkjesus.com

 

[PloughBoy]

We're derailing the thread. Can we continue on this thread, started today

John's Message to the Churches of Asia - Stay Home?

Hi guys, I have noticed a number of TJ'ers quite openly stating that they no longer go to a church. What? The issues they raise fall into two categories. Some believe that the church is not worthy of them, others recount bad experiences of church. You can scour the Bible from cover to cover...

www.talkjesus.com

You right. Must not derail, sorry.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

We're derailing the thread. Can we continue on this thread, started today

John's Message to the Churches of Asia - Stay Home?

Hi guys, I have noticed a number of TJ'ers quite openly stating that they no longer go to a church. What? The issues they raise fall into two categories. Some believe that the church is not worthy of them, others recount bad experiences of church. You can scour the Bible from cover to cover...

www.talkjesus.com

We're derailing the thread. Can we continue on this thread, started today

John's Message to the Churches of Asia - Stay Home?

Hi guys, I have noticed a number of TJ'ers quite openly stating that they no longer go to a church. What? The issues they raise fall into two categories. Some believe that the church is not worthy of them, others recount bad experiences of church. You can scour the Bible from cover to cover...

www.talkjesus.com

[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry Heduran, as for myself, I was following the OP and going the way she was going, Its an interesting direction ....Your conversation seems to be primarily with Ploughboy. As to your question...No Paul did not say we should go to church...Where would you think he said that?