It has been a little over two years since we did this together: Let us on “Talk Jesus” read at the same time “The Book of Revelations” 3/2020

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02.12.22
Deuteronomy 31-34, Joshua 1-5

'And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho,
that he lifted up his eyes and looked,
and, behold, there stood a man over against him
with his sword drawn in his hand:
and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him,
"Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?"
And he said, "Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come.
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,
and said unto him, "What saith my lord unto his servant?"
And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua,
"Loose thy shoe from off thy foot;
for the place whereon thou standest is holy. "
And Joshua did so.'
(Johuas 5:13-15)

'Now the sojourning of the children of Israel,
who dwelt in Egypt,
was four hundred and thirty years.
And it came to pass
at the end of the four hundred and thirty years,
even the selfsame day
it came to pass,
that all the hosts of the LORD
went out from the land of Egypt.'
(Exo 12:40-41)

Great and glorious is our God!
Praise His Holy Name!!

 

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13.12.22

'And Moses said unto God,
"Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel,
and shall say unto them,
The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;
and they shall say to me," What is his name? what shall I say unto them?"
And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:"
and He said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
And God said moreover unto Moses,
"Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
The LORD God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,
hath sent me unto you:
this is my name for ever,
and this is my memorial unto all generations".'
(Exo 3:13-15)

'I will be what I will be (or become)' - God would be whatever they needed Him to be:- Saviour, Redeemer, Deliverer, Strengthener, Comforter, etc.,
'I will be with thee' (v.12)

"For I am the LORD, I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
(Mal 3:6)

Praise God!

 

[Garee]

I did, i am still reading in the books or Samuel, I have not read the books of Kings or Chronicles yet.

Question. Samuel the last judge or apostle sent to declare prophecy. Why? Was it restored?

 

[PloughBoy]

Question. Samuel the last judge or apostle sent to declare prophecy. Why? Was it restored?

Example:
Samuel, was "Priest, Judge, and Prophet" and a Anointer of Kings. That was His calling, by GOD. SAMUEL was never The King or leader of ISRAEL.

Jesus, The God Man, "Is a "Priest, Prophet, Savior, King, Judge, And GOD"...etc.

Samson, was "A JUDGE", "A DELIVER" "A Savior"

God's True Anointed Ones always wear more than One hat. I said GOD'S TRUE ANOINTED ones, not the ones that go and said they where called or sent.

A judge in the book of Judges is a Judge not a leader, but he might take the position as A leader as well as Judge the people. He is a judge, and not by election. That does not mean He is a leader or wants the Job as a leader,

Like the judge in your city, He or she is a judge not the Governor or The Mayor who is the leader.

 

[Mister]

Update from Friday 12/2 to now: read in the valley of the kings from 1 Sam 25 thru 2 Samuel 24.

2 Samuel 9:6-10...Now when Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, was come unto David, he fell on his face, and did reverence. And David said, Mephibosheth. And he answered, Behold thy servant! And David said unto him, Fear not: for I will surely shew thee kindness for Jonathan thy father's sake, and will restore thee all the land of Saul thy father; and thou shalt eat bread at my table continually. And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am? Then the king called to Ziba, Saul's servant, and said unto him, I have given unto thy master's son all that pertained to Saul and to all his house. Thou therefore, and thy sons, and thy servants, shall till the land for him, and thou shalt bring in the fruits, that thy master's son may have food to eat: but Mephibosheth thy master's son shall eat bread alway at my table....

2 Samuel 22:4-17...I will call on the Lord, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid; The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me; In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The Lord thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters...

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42-43...They looked, but there was none to save; even unto the Lord, but he answered them not. Then did I beat them as small as the dust of the earth, I did stamp them as the mire of the street, and did spread them abroad.

48-50...It is God that avengeth me, and that bringeth down the people under me. And that bringeth me forth from mine enemies: thou also hast lifted me up on high above them that rose up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man. Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.

 

[PloughBoy]

Update from Friday 12/2 to now: read in the valley of the kings from 1 Sam 25 thru 2 Samuel 24.

2 Samuel 9:6-10...Now when Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, was come unto David, he fell on his face, and did reverence. And David said, Mephibosheth. And he answered, Behold thy servant! And David said unto him, Fear not: for I will surely shew thee kindness for Jonathan thy father's sake, and will restore thee all the land of Saul thy father; and thou shalt eat bread at my table continually. And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am? Then the king called to Ziba, Saul's servant, and said unto him, I have given unto thy master's son all that pertained to Saul and to all his house. Thou therefore, and thy sons, and thy servants, shall till the land for him, and thou shalt bring in the fruits, that thy master's son may have food to eat: but Mephibosheth thy master's son shall eat bread alway at my table....

2 Samuel 22:4-17...I will call on the Lord, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid; The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me; In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The Lord thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters...

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42-43...They looked, but there was none to save; even unto the Lord, but he answered them not. Then did I beat them as small as the dust of the earth, I did stamp them as the mire of the street, and did spread them abroad.

48-50...It is God that avengeth me, and that bringeth down the people under me. And that bringeth me forth from mine enemies: thou also hast lifted me up on high above them that rose up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man. Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.

Now Pay attention to All Of The Kings, [ In the Valley of The KINGS] and PAY Close Attention TO "The Very WORDS GOD is SPEAKING and Observe HIS ACTIONS and Character."
Do not forget What GOD told " Samuel to tell The people what The Kings will do to Them", Since They did not want "HIM" to be King over them, But a man. Pay attention and see, what many christians do not see, as many, they think they Know of The KINGS of Israel and Judah. As you read The BOOK and ask GOD to shown you THE KINGS as They really are. And why they are as they are.

Why? Because there will be a "Kingdom of kings and priest" that is why we are going through "The Valley of The Kings". I been through there Hundreds of Times, and Each time i See more and more. So run silent and run Deep, and do not cheat and "Do Not" look into "Commentaries" Pray to God and he will show you. What I mean. and he will show you and you will see want He wants you to see.

Your Brother in Christ,
And
I am Ploughing Through and The Plough is running Deep.

Just pay attention to all my Threads they all are a part of a "Mosaic" Piece and in "character" None are Individual and separate of its-self. The Flash will come at The Proper Times. Just read and Let GOD do the Rest, and do no force it. It will be "Illuminated" in GOD's own Time. Looking for Nothing special, just go about as you normally do in life on your christian "Pilgrimage".
Enjoy The ride., For in The Coming "INDICATIVE" Future you have work to do. For we are in, what is known as "The Preparation"

PloughBoy

 

[Mister]

Now Pay attention to All Of The Kings, [ In the Valley of The KINGS] and PAY Close Attention TO "The Very WORDS GOD is SPEAKING and Observe HIS ACTIONS and Character."
Do not forget What GOD told " Samuel to tell The people what The Kings will do to Them", Since They did not want "HIM" to be King over them, But a man. Pay attention and see, what many christians do not see, as many, they think they Know of The KINGS of Israel and Judah. As you read The BOOK and ask GOD to shown you THE KINGS as They really are. And why they are as they are.

Why? Because there will be a "Kingdom of kings and priest" that is why we are going through "The Valley of The Kings". I been through there Hundreds of Times, and Each time i See more and more. So run silent and run Deep, and do not cheat and "Do Not" look into "Commentaries" Pray to God and he will show you. What I mean. and he will show you and you will see want He wants you to see.

Your Brother in Christ,
And
I am Ploughing Through and The Plough is running Deep.

Just pay attention to all my Threads they all are a part of a "Mosaic" Piece and in "character" None are Individual and separate of its-self. The Flash will come at The Proper Times. Just read and Let GOD do the Rest, and do no force it. It will be "Illuminated" in GOD's own Time. Looking for Nothing special, just go about as you normally do in life on your christian "Pilgrimage".
Enjoy The ride., For in The Coming "INDICATIVE" Future you have work to do. For we are in, what is known as "The Preparation"

PloughBoy

Wow, thank you for your words and encouragement.

And I've taken them to heart; and will do so again as I see the Kings in action.

 

[Garee]

Example:
Samuel, was "Priest, Judge, and Prophet" and a Anointer of Kings. That was His calling, by GOD. SAMUEL was never The King or leader of ISRAEL.

Jesus, The God Man, "Is a "Priest, Prophet, Savior, King, Judge, And GOD"...etc.

Samson, was "A JUDGE", "A DELIVER" "A Savior"

God's True Anointed Ones always wear more than One hat. I said GOD'S TRUE ANOINTED ones, not the ones that go and said they where called or sent.

A judge in the book of Judges is a Judge not a leader, but he might take the position as A leader as well as Judge the people. He is a judge, and not by election. That does not mean He is a leader or wants the Job as a leader,

Like the judge in your city, He or she is a judge not the Governor or The Mayor who is the leader.

I would think all prophets are apostles sent by God in order to reveal prophecy its all one and the same gift. sending and revealing.

God alone is the one treacher master.

Apostles like Samuel a judge it was not judges appointed or anoint Kings .The atheist Jew gathered themselves together and demanded they have a visual representative as a King .

They became jealous of the surrounding pagan nations .They had no use in a King that has not form .(walk by faith) God revealed to Samuel .Its not you seen that they reject being ruled by ,but again They had no use for the unseen things of God . They performed the abomination of desolation. Kings in Israel. . . . human form in the unseen place of our invisible God.

it was restored to the proper order of government at the time of the first century reformation .(Hebrews 9) We no longer serve a government of men as those which are called venerable that lord it over the faith or understanding of the non -venerable. Christians are in the last day s No Christian kings seen .God is not a man .

1 Samuel 8::4-9 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

God gave them over to do that which they should not of (rejected our invisible God as King of kings and Lord of lords . We are free of that burden today .

 

[Mister]

Beginning at 1 Kings 1, now, NIV copyright 1973, 1978, 1984.

 

[PloughBoy]

I would think all prophets are apostles sent by God in order to reveal prophecy its all one and the same gift. sending and revealing.

God alone is the one treacher master.

Apostles like Samuel a judge it was not judges appointed or anoint Kings .The atheist Jew gathered themselves together and demanded they have a visual representative as a King .

They became jealous of the surrounding pagan nations .They had no use in a King that has not form .(walk by faith) God revealed to Samuel .Its not you seen that they reject being ruled by ,but again They had no use for the unseen things of God . They performed the abomination of desolation. Kings in Israel. . . . human form in the unseen place of our invisible God.

it was restored to the proper order of government at the time of the first century reformation .(Hebrews 9) We no longer serve a government of men as those which are called venerable that lord it over the faith or understanding of the non -venerable. Christians are in the last day s No Christian kings seen .God is not a man .

1 Samuel 8::4-9 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

God gave them over to do that which they should not of (rejected our invisible God as King of kings and Lord of lords . We are free of that burden today .

Well this is America everybody got a right to think and say about what they want to say about religion and god. Some people think god is a female. That is their right.
I am not going to argue with them.

So have your way. And the Bible says the majority of people is going to be sent to the lake burning with Fire and Brimstone.

Some say it ain’t going to happen.

I am not going to argue with people about that too. So what you think, be it to you.

I know what I am going to do and act. Whether it is a lake or fire or not.
And it is my busy
And we all going to see.

King David died in old age and he must have been about a little over 70.

Kirstie Alley, just died at 71.

Heck I am 71. So any day now. I going know for sure.
And I am not coming back to soon to tell you, if I did you would not believe me anyhow. Jesus said so.

“neither would they believe one coming back from dead”

And I Do see you like to speculator a lot.

So that is your right, I am not interested in
Ungodly speculations.

For the Bible also declares that as evil to “Speculations”

God does not approve of it and speaks against.it But I see you seems to not care what God thinks.

And I am not interested in arguing about what you think, I am to old, I did my arguing in my younger years in Christ, 20’s- 40’s when I was young and strong.

 

[Garee]

Well this is America everybody got a right to think and say about what they want to say about religion and god. Some people think god is a female. That is their right.
I am not going to argue with them.

So have your way. And the Bible says the majority of people is going to be sent to the lake burning with Fire and Brimstone.

Some say it ain’t going to happen.

I am not going to argue with people about that too. So what you think, be it to you.

I know what I am going to do and act. Whether it is a lake or fire or not.
And it is my busy
And we all going to see.

King David died in old age and he must have been about a little over 70.

Kirstie Alley, just died at 71.

Heck I am 71. So any day now. I going know for sure.
And I am not coming back to soon to tell you, if I did you would not believe me anyhow. Jesus said so.

“neither would they believe one coming back from dead”

And I Do see you like to speculator a lot.

So that is your right, I am not interested in
Ungodly speculations.

For the Bible also declares that as evil to “Speculations”

God does not approve of it and speaks against.it But I see you seems to not care what God thinks.

And I am not interested in arguing about what you think, I am to old, I did my arguing in my younger years in Christ, 20’s- 40’s when I was young and strong.

Not a claim to fame but I am 74. It's always a good day to wake up on the green side of the grass .And there is no fool like one old .

We must be careful how we hear we are given new ears to what we hear

It is appointed for all men to dies once. living in these corrupted bodies of death in dying . . it comes to and end for those not redeemed .no suffering in the grave.

God is a. God of mercy putting a end to sufferings in the flesh .the wage of sin


The Bible does not says the majority of people is going to be sent to the lake burning with Fire and Brimstone.. the second death Not of us. . . the appointment in once,

What will be tossed in the judgment of Christ is the letter of the law "death ",(thou shall not or you will in dying to a to a end of life and never raise to new life. .). Both the letter of the law and its suffering the daily pangs of hell will be cast into the lake of fire .

Neither will rise again and condemn through corruption another entire creation . The death of death , No retrial as in double jeopardy. We receive the end of our salvation from the beginning


Revelation 20:14 And death and (with) hell (sufferings) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[Mister]

@Garee have you joined in with us in the 'readings' set forth on this trail? Seems like you have rode in on an ATV while we are all sometimes flying, or sprinting, or walking, or trudging or crawling along! Why don't you join in on the foot race established here? Where we read, we share and we pray as one to let God show us what He wills?

 

[PloughBoy]

Update December 6, 2022
"The Valley of The Kings",

Musing about the Kings and Their Children and wives.
Replaying about them on "YouTube? "Alexander Scourby" (KJV)

1 Samuel and 2 Samuel and 1 kings, and during the night. and meditating about their pagans wives and how they have turn Their children against the GOD of Their Fathers. and how the kings went against the laws of God marrying pagan idol worshipping women. And how God did say, if you marry them they will turn your children against you and me. And you can see the weight on King David and Solomon even "King Saul" out right called her out! and all of the kings to come from these women they chose to love and many. it is ugly. Everyone done them no justice not one. Everyone of their wives gave them pain, one way or the other. Those 2 kings suffered. You talking about a wicked line leading up to Jesus.

 

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Hello @Garee,

The object of this thread to to let God speak. With the book of Revelation being the book in our sight; yet we have gone back to the Old Testament Prophets in order to be able to rightly interpret that book which shows us the Revelation (or unveiling) of Jesus Christ. Ploughboy has been laying the trail and we have been following. At present we are, each one, at different places along the trail, perhaps having stopped a while to consider truth revealed along the way, or simply taking our time to enjoy the sights and sounds revealed on the journey.

So, individual details of the book of Revelation have not been entered into yet. We will see what form that study takes when we arrive. We are not ready to enter into the form of debate you are seeking at the moment.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

Hello @Garee,

The object of this thread to to let God speak. With the book of Revelation being the book in our sight; yet we have gone back to the Old Testament Prophets in order to be able to rightly interpret that book which shows us the Revelation (or unveiling) of Jesus Christ. Ploughboy has been laying the trail and we have been following. At present we are, each one, at different places along the trail, perhaps having stopped a while to consider truth revealed along the way, or simply taking our time to enjoy the sights and sounds revealed on the journey.

So, individual details of the book of Revelation have not been entered into yet. We will see what form that study takes when we arrive. We are not ready to enter into the form of debate you are seeking at the moment.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi thanks.

I understand the goal but how to get there as a interpretation tool affects the end of the matter.

Not a salvation issue .More of like how can we hear eternal God not seen ? .It does not destroy the simplicity of the gospel (believe) I would think it enriches it .

In Revelation :1 the opening instruction indicates the language of "parables" which without Christ spoke not . . . beginning in Genesis . .In that way not only was it prophesied but also signified .Signified using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen gospel understanding .Called hidden manna in chapter 2:17 .

In that way the whole chapter 20 is one continual parable using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen understanding ..(2 Corinthians 4:18 ) in that way we can rightfully divide the parables (prophecy)

The thousand years represents a unknown .No sign was given .


It's a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does seek after a sign before they will trust Christ .

The Amil (no literal thousand years ) seems to indicate the majority during the reformations the restoring of the government of God. . making the governments of sinners (mankind) without effect

I ofer the Amil interpreation /o

 

[Garee]

Update December 6, 2022
"The Valley of The Kings",

Musing about the Kings and Their Children and wives.
Replaying about them on "YouTube? "Alexander Scourby" (KJV)

1 Samuel and 2 Samuel and 1 kings, and during the night. and meditating about their pagans wives and how they have turn Their children against the GOD of Their Fathers. and how the kings went against the laws of God marrying pagan idol worshipping women. And how God did say, if you marry them they will turn your children against you and me. And you can see the weight on King David and Solomon even "King Saul" out right called her out! and all of the kings to come from these women they chose to love and many. it is ugly. Everyone done them no justice not one. Everyone of their wives gave them pain, one way or the other. Those 2 kings suffered. You talking about a wicked line leading up to Jesus.

I would offer not lead to Jesus but rather oppose Jesus .The first century reformation restored the proper government of faith .(Hebrew 9)

Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation a pagan foundation walk by sight. .

 

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Hi thanks.

I understand the goal but how to get there as a interpretation tool affects the end of the matter.

Not a salvation issue .More of like how can we hear eternal God not seen ? .It does not destroy the simplicity of the gospel (believe) I would think it enriches it .

In Revelation :1 the opening instruction indicates the language of "parables" which without Christ spoke not . . . beginning in Genesis . .In that way not only was it prophesied but also signified .Signified using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen gospel understanding .Called hidden manna in chapter 2:17 .

In that way the whole chapter 20 is one continual parable using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen understanding ..(2 Corinthians 4:18 ) in that way we can rightfully divide the parables (prophecy)

The thousand years represents a unknown .No sign was given .


It's a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does seek after a sign before they will trust Christ .

The Amil (no literal thousand years ) seems to indicate the majority during the reformations the restoring of the government of God. . making the governments of sinners (mankind) without effect

I ofer the Amil interpreation /o

Hello @Garee,

Those taking part on this journey are believers, and, '"just reading the word of God and allowing it to speak", is what I mean by my words, 'letting God speak': For the Scriptures are the Sword of the Spirit, and therefore the means by which God communicates His Truth to us. I am sure you will agree.

His prophetic word has much that will find it's fruition in end time events, and so a knowledge of what is said within the pages of those, 'books', is vital to our understanding of the events that occur in the book of Revelation.

I believe, personally, that the book of Revelation should be approached as being literal, unless stated to be, or obviously are, figurative.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

Hello @Garee,

Those taking part on this journey are believers, and, '"just reading the word of God and allowing it to speak", is what I mean by my words, 'letting God speak': For the Scriptures are the Sword of the Spirit, and therefore the means by which God communicates His Truth to us. I am sure you will agree.

His prophetic word has much that will find it's fruition in end time events, and so a knowledge of what is said within the pages of those, 'books', is vital to our understanding of the events that occur in the book of Revelation.

I believe, personally, that the book of Revelation should be approached as being literal, unless stated to be, or obviously are, figurative.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi, Complete, @Garee, is needing to be apart of conversation, for all of our time is growing near. you understand my sister in Christ for you understand my words, for you are always a part of me.

 

[Garee]

Hello @Garee,

Those taking part on this journey are believers, and, '"just reading the word of God and allowing it to speak", is what I mean by my words, 'letting God speak': For the Scriptures are the Sword of the Spirit, and therefore the means by which God communicates His Truth to us. I am sure you will agree.

His prophetic word has much that will find it's fruition in end time events, and so a knowledge of what is said within the pages of those, 'books', is vital to our understanding of the events that occur in the book of Revelation.

I believe, personally, that the book of Revelation should be approached as being literal, unless stated to be, or obviously are, figurative.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I am not trying to destroy the study. I am simply offering my signified understanding that uses the literal temporal things seen to give us the unseen spiritual understanding.

The literal does not stand alone. The amil signified position is one of many understandings. It works the best as signified the language of parables. It seemed to be widely used during the time of reformation. Both the first century and the fifteenth.

KJ 21:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John,

It does not say. . The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass. He sent by His angel unto His servant John,. . . .(therefore leaving out the signified).

EHV Revelation 1;1The revelation from Jesus Christ that God gave him to show his servants the things that must soon take place. Christ expressed this revelation by means of symbols sent through his angel to his servant John.

VOICE Revelation 1;1 This is the revelation of Jesus the Anointed, the Liberating King: an account of visions and a heavenly journey. God granted this to Him so He would show His followers the realities that are already breaking into the world and soon will be fulfilled. Through His heavenly messenger, He revealed to His servant John signs and insight into these mysteries.

 

[PloughBoy]

I am not trying to destroy the study. I am simply offering my signified understanding that uses the literal temporal things seen to give us the unseen spiritual understanding.

The literal does not stand alone. The amil signified position is one of many understandings. It works the best as signified the language of parables. It seemed to be widely used during the time of reformation. Both the first century and the fifteenth.

KJ 21:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John,

It does not say. . The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass. He sent by His angel unto His servant John,. . . .(therefore leaving out the signified).

EHV Revelation 1;1The revelation from Jesus Christ that God gave him to show his servants the things that must soon take place. Christ expressed this revelation by means of symbols sent through his angel to his servant John.

VOICE Revelation 1;1 This is the revelation of Jesus the Anointed, the Liberating King: an account of visions and a heavenly journey. God granted this to Him so He would show His followers the realities that are already breaking into the world and soon will be fulfilled. Through His heavenly messenger, He revealed to His servant John signs and insight into these mysteries.

Ok, "Garee" you just do not understand what "Complete" is trying to tell you. And maybe because you do not understand, You did not read the "Introduction" of the Beginning of This Thread, The beginning Posts" of "The Revelation Trail" This is not a Study and we do not want to do A STUDY here. WE are Only doing A READ and A READ ONLY!

No STUDY, But if you want to Do A STUDY of Revelation do so.
For you are up setting this "The Read".

Maybe you just did not understand The Purpose of "The Revelation Trail"

But open one up "A Study of The Book of REVELATION" Thread " by, "GAREE" People "we" would be glad to come in. Into your "THREAD". and discuss a study.

PloughBoy