Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray?

[Reba1]

I’m sorry “rag4acrown1” I thought you were a Male. I would never speak to a sister in Christ like that. Please for give me. I believe men and females missions are different in Christ Jesus. I am truly sorry. Men are harder for the task. And can take more I believe that makes them stronger through engagement and wiser for a greater force they must engage.

LOL i made the same assumption. just for fun ... Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[PloughBoy]

I felt so bad when I looked up her “Avatar”.

 

[rag4acrown1]

I’m sorry “rag4acrown1” I thought you were a Male. I would never speak to a sister in Christ like that. Please for give me. I believe men and females missions are different in Christ Jesus. I am truly sorry. Men are harder for the task. And can take more I believe that makes them stronger through engagement and wiser for a greater force they must engage.

I am not offended by any of your words, nor we believers are seen as male or female, black or white, or brown; we are spirit. You can find that in your bible to, if you choose to read it, instead of trying to beat up fellow brothers and sisters with it.

 

[rag4acrown1]

Who has warned ye vipers of the wrath to come...?

 

[PloughBoy]

I am not offended by any of your words, nor we believers are seen as male or female, black or white, or brown; we are spirit. You can find that in your bible to, if you choose to read it, instead of trying to beat up fellow brothers and sisters with it.

LOL, I deserve it.

 

[PloughBoy]

Who has warned ye vipers of the wrath to come...?

Ok where is the love?

 

[Br. Bear]

@rag4acrown1

Greetings Sister,

why is my heart so hardened so often....
Why does my soul ache
Why do the heathen rage, also
Why is there so little faith

not everyone can hear very well and their filters are switched to self preservation. Iron sharpens iron and let us be glad it does.
Should we laugh at our frivolities or should we get hard and scorn to judge?
Perhaps there is a better way but do not put your trust in man [this i know you know]

The thread here is about, Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray? and you present a clue....

Who has warned ye vipers of the wrath to come...?

Grace and Peace


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

I chose to turn around.
I chose life over death.
I chose to lay the gun down and not take my own life.
I chose to reach out and take his hand.
I chose.
We have a choice to make.
God is a complete gentleman; He is not forceful.
He gives us wisdom; it is our choice to use it.

the bleeding woman chose also and determined to reach the hem of His garment

not many choose to press in against all opposition and prefer to have not only their sins paid for but to be served grace on a plate.
Faith tends to get love active.

i am glad you made those decisions,

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deuteronomy 30:19


Bless you ....><>

 

[TheTruthReaper]

Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray?

God,
If they are not worth saving
then cast their worthless souls into hell.
If they are worth saving
then save them as you have saved me.

Amen

 

[PloughBoy]

No one is worth saving, For grace are you saved through faith it is a gift from GOD and not of yourselves.

The thread Title is: "Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray?" [ Should we Pray for the World or follow Jesus lead]?

 

[B-A-C]

John 17 is an interesting chapter. It's one of those passages I think needs to be taken in full context. Many Bibles call this chapter "The High Priest prayer of Jesus".
I see this chapter as Jesus praying for three different groups of people. (four if you count Jesus praying for Himself to be glorified).

John 17:1; Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
John 17:2; even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
John 17:3; "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
John 17:4; "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
John 17:5; "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

First, what is Jesus asking for here. To be glorified. (With the glory that He had "before" the world even existed). Jesus said He glorified the Father, and now He is asking the Father
to glorify Him. This passage is often taken two ways.... "the men whom You gave Me out of the world"... who is Jesus talking about here. All believers? Or just the twelve disciples
in particular. It's possible Jesus is talking about all believers up to this point.... but there are some clues coming up that narrow it down.

John 17:6; "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
John 17:7; "Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You;
John 17:8; for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.

The second thing that stands out to me here is... these people that the Father gave to Jesus... "kept Your word". They "received" these words, accepted and "understood" them.

John 17:9; "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
John 17:10; and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.
John 17:11; "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
John 17:12; "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Jesus does make an important distinction here. His followers are "in the world", but they
are not "of the world". Jesus guarded over them, and the only one that had died up to this point was Judas ("the son of perdition"). Remember even Judas was chosen by Jesus.
Jesus says "I guarded them them and not one of them perished.." well obviously believers died during this time. John the Baptist, Lazarus, etc... that leads me to believe Jesus isn't talking about
all the believers in the world, but rather the disciples in particular. He even points out that one of the disciples did die (Judas) but he doesn't mention John the baptist or Lazarus.

John 17:13; "But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves.
John 17:14; "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:15; "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.
John 17:16; "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Again Jesus says twice more here... His followers "are not of this world". Yet they are in this world. Jesus goes on to say... I'm not even asking that you take them out of this world,
but rather "keep them from the evil one". The thought here is that the disciples were vulnerable for a short period of time... until the Holy Spirit came.

John 17:17; "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
John 17:18; "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
John 17:19; "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.
John 17:20; "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;

Now Jesus's tune changes a little bit here. I do not ask for "these alone" (the disciples) but for everyone who believes in Me (through the word of the disciples).
The first prayer was just for the disciples. The second prayer is also for all "who believe in Me".

John 17:21; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

We are getting near the end of the chapter and Jesus asks "that the world may believe". So I see this prayer in three parts...
First just the apostles. second, all believers in the world, and finally the entire world, even non-believers (so that they might believe).

 

[B-A-C]

then how should we pray?"

Luke 11:1; It happened that while Jesus was praying in a certain place, after He had finished, one of His disciples said to Him, "Lord, teach us to pray just as John also taught his disciples."
Luke 11:2; And He said to them, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
Luke 11:3; 'Give us each day our daily bread.
Luke 11:4; 'And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'"

 

[Samson2020]

John 17:2; even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL things into his hands."

Though he does not pray for the world he does pray for all that are in it.

1Ti 2:1 "I exhort therefore that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, BE MADE FOR ALL MEN;....."
3-6 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ; who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL, to be testified in due time."

If he gave himself a ransom for ALL, how many did he purchase with his own blood????

 

[PloughBoy]

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL things into his hands."

Though he does not pray for the world he does pray for all that are in it.

1Ti 2:1 "I exhort therefore that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, BE MADE FOR ALL MEN;....."
3-6 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ; who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL, to be testified in due time."

If he gave himself a ransom for ALL, how many did he purchase with his own blood????

All God had chosen, before the foundation of the World. That ALL, is every christian that has been "Born from above" "Once SAVED always saved"! Not one shall be lost. If one stray away, He will leave the 99 and go after the 1. WHAT every GOD WILLS will come to pass. God's will supersedes over all wills. Fear not little flock. You were bought by a price, paid in full, you are mines, and there is nothing can pluck you out of my hands, living or dead or any other power. Because I have ALL Power said Jesus. given to me by my Father and my father is stronger than me. Now is that Not "Good News" for the child of God. You are Sealed! You could not be unsaved if you wanted too! You are Paid for and Sealed. by the blood of Jesus. you have no choice.

 

[PloughBoy]

All God had chosen, before the foundation of the World. That ALL, is every christian that has been "Born from above" "Once SAVED always saved"! Not one shall be lost. If one stray away, He will leave the 99 and go after the 1. WHAT ever GOD WILLS will come to pass. God's will supersedes over all wills. Fear not little flock. You were bought by a price, paid in full, you are mines, and there is nothing can pluck you out of my hands, living or dead or any other power. Because I have ALL Power said Jesus. given to me by my Father and my father is stronger than me. Now is that Not "Good News" for the child of God. You are Sealed! You could not be unsaved if you wanted too! You are Paid for and Sealed. by the blood of Jesus. you have no choice. The problem is how the translations are written. and the "english syntax" and bias translators. When those factors are taken in place in reading style the paradox's dissipates. and all falls in place.

 

[Reba1]

Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray?

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Luk 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

 

[Brother-Paul]

[biblical humor] Ok
If they haven’t made down to the brook yet, shame on them, Because I got my boots on, my hat and coat and standing at the door and looking up! I believe my redemption is drawing near. And I do not have a control of the flight time. And if they don’t make it this time, they can take the next flight out.

If they are prepared brother and have enough oil in their lamps!

Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray?

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Luk 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Hi, Reba, I really mess up on the on The Title of this "Thread", it should have been Titled: "Jesus told his Father, he was not going to pray for this world, then how should we pray concerning the world?" because i have recognize in the past leaders are telling us to pray for peace in the world, when Jesus told us he did not come to bring peace...etc and we would not have peace in the world. So i made a big blunder in the Title of this thread. I did not correct it, just watch and see which direction it would take as is. and I should have known better. "Typical PloughBoy"!

 

[Reba1]

@PloughBoy some things are just fun and not to be over looked Thanks for the smile.. what you meant was clear

We are told here Rom_14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

As for the world we should live the beatitudes as much as possible. While i go off and kick the daylights of of any liberal i see.

I am a preachers kid we can be snots...

 

[Samson2020]

All God had chosen, before the foundation of the World. That ALL, is every christian that has been "Born from above"


Who did God not choose to be an Adamite? And if an Adamite then he is justified unto life because of Jesus' sacrifice. Rom 5:18
To say it plainly God elected every spirit that ever existed in a human to come to born again life according to his timing. I have seen no one on this
site that comprehends the second death as another harvest, they all see it as eternal punishment because those souls were chosen by the master
potter to be vessels to dishonor or to be the disobedient for our sakes. There will be another harvest, actually 2 more, but that is for those that can see the true plan
of God in bringing all to glory for his glory.

Eph 1:9-11 "Having made known unto us the mystery of HIS WILL, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: THAT IN THE
DISPENSATION OF THE FULLNESS OF TIMES (3) he might (gather together in one) ALL THINGS in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even
in him (God): In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him that worketh ALL things after the
counsel of his OWN WILL:"

That word TIMES is the clue. We are in one time now the first death, the second death is another time, and the third will be another. Thus DISPENSATION OF TIMES

1Ti 2:1 "I exhort therefore that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, BE MADE FOR ALL MEN;....."
3-6 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ; who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL, to be testified in due time."

I know you are a strong believer in the will of God as being the only will that will be done so.
Not everyone that is going to be born from above has been born from above yet, you would agree?

Then what in these verses permits you to read it and not see that ALL will eventually be born from above as it says this is Gods will? What can a man do to avoid it?
What can a man do to reverse it, or change his mind?
This was and is the plan from the beginning and indeed is GOOD NEWS for every sinner, though they be not called for many generations they eventually will be
and begin the process of maturing into the image of the first born Son.

Again, if Jesus was the ransom for ALL then who did he not purchase?