King James Onlyism

[BibleBeliever7]

If the KJV is perfect in it's way, there would be no need to use any other translation to convert a new believer. The same book should be used for conversion and discipline.

True, we should use the King James Bible for English speaking people, but if they speak Spanish. Then using a different language bible would be the best idea unless you're willing to teach them English first lol.

 

[hiselect]

If the KJV is perfect in it's way, there would be no need to use any other translation to convert a new believer. The same book should be used for conversion and discipline.

Unfortunately, the KJV didn't exist for 1700 years. How on earth did the church flourish!?!?

You know, the church was more doctrinally sound, more concerned with Holy living, (Think: Puritans) and more concerned about God's glory and giving Him praise for all things in those 1700 years prior to the KJV than it is in modern times.

Hmmmm......

 

[BibleBeliever7]

First we have the Jesus with the blonde hair and blue eyes, now we're telling non english christians that God choose to bring his perfect word only to the english speaker, and they are left with faulty books until they learn English and can read from the english KJB.

It's confusing to the new believer, if God said salvation is for all, if John 3:16 said, for God so loved the world,( not english speaking countries but the world...why now is he being selective concerning the bible.

So I guess it's by God's grace, the queen of England chose to invade my birth country from the Spaniards. If she didn't I'd be speaking espanol and walking around with corrupted bible.

Long live the queen.

Biblebeliever this is not directed to you personally, it just my way of trying to understand kjvo extremist. Because like I said my friend told me, my friends will have to learn english, and that I should be happy that I speak english.

I see you are a little touchy about this subject. God used Greek and Hebrew in the Originals. I forget what the other language was called. Why didn't he use other languages? I am sure they could translate it then, but was it perfect like the Originals?

Jesus..blonde hair and blue eyes? You must of been talking to Hitler or something. It is very very unlikely that Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes. By the way, what does that have to do with anything?

Your friends don't have to learn English. They can read their Spanish bible, but my stance is that the King James Bible is the only perfect word of God. I am truly sorry if that offends you.

 

[hiselect]

but my stance is that the King James Bible is the only perfect word of God

Are you talking about before or after the 100+ years of changes, corrections, and updates?

The 1611 edition KJV is drastically different than the KJV you hold in your hands

So which KJV edition is the perfect word of God?

Did you not see...parable of the vinegar! Thou shalt commit adultery! C'mon now Are you in denial of these mistakes? Did you think the KJV came right out of the gates 100% completely flawless and superb?

 

[hiselect]

Try using the NIV and tell a child that David really did not kill Goliath. The new versions can even mess up kid stories.

This is just silly.

From Marv at Grace Forums;

The problem of Elhanan killing Goliath is a well-known and very interesting situation, that turns out to be an obvious textual corruption. There are at least three things wrongly copied in 2 Sam 21:19 (1 Chron 20:5 seems to show us what the original text was), but I will highlight the two that are most relevant.

Lachmi, the name of the person killed was reinterpreted as Bethlehemite.

Second the word for brother 'achi would look a lot like the direct object marker 'eth. They are very similar looking in Hebrew.

The question is, how do you translate 2 Sam 21:19? Do you "correct" what you take to be the textual corruption to agree with Chronicles, or do you translate the actual text you have and put a footnote about textual situation at this point?

KJV does the first, NASB et al do the second.

The point is, neither of the two cited translation issues is a "lie." Nor it is a controversy.

The irony here is that KJVO advocates accuse modern translations of "correcting" the word of God, but it is the KJV that "corrected" the bad translation/copy error of 2 Sam 21:19! The "modern Bibles" faithfully translated the verse - error and all - and put a footnote explaining that the error. That's honesty. That's faithfully doing the job of the translator. The KJV simply took the liberty of "correcting" it without even telling the readers about it.

 

[jiggyfly]

This issue does not need to blown off as not a big deal. This is the word of God we are talking about. If one version says one thing in a verse and another one says another. It is obvious that both cannot be correct.

While it is true that contrary translations can not both be correct, they can both be wrong. In much the same way as Calvinism and Arminianism the fact that they both can not be right does not automatically make one of them right.

IMO there is no such thing as an inerrant and unbiased translation of the scriptures. I prefer some over others but find it good to have a good lexicon close by when studying.

 

[jiggyfly]

Unfortunately, the KJV didn't exist for 1700 years. How on earth did the church flourish!?!?

You know, the church was more doctrinally sound, more concerned with Holy living, (Think: Puritans) and more concerned about God's glory and giving Him praise for all things in those 1700 years prior to the KJV than it is in modern times.

Very good point Hiselect, this is amazing especially considering that most of the common folk couldn't read anyway.

 

[BibleBeliever7]

Are you talking about before or after the 100+ years of changes, corrections, and updates?

The 1611 edition KJV is drastically different than the KJV you hold in your hands

So which KJV edition is the perfect word of God?

Did you not see...parable of the vinegar! Thou shalt commit adultery! C'mon now Are you in denial of these mistakes? Did you think the KJV came right out of the gates 100% completely flawless and superb?

I suggest you read "The Answer Book" by Dr. Sam Gipp. It explains all the typing errors and "revisions" you talk about. I would link you to a website where you can read it for free, but I don't think I'm aloud to. I can tell you that the book I'm talking about is on Jack Chick's website though.

 

[Mark Staten]

KJVO or not KJVO

I have been keeping up with the postings on this subject off and on all day. When I got home from church this evening I discussed this with Sandy, my blessing from God wife (testimony for another time). She reminded me that she has read and studied from the KJV most of her Christian life which began over 35 yrs. ago, but it wasn't until 12 yrs. ago that she understood what she was reading. When Sandy and I first met she was praying for a teacher, because from the time she was saved in 1973 until 1997 when she saw me in the back of a Christian book store praising God while I was dusting the shelves, no one she asked would teach her. This included her ex-husband who she thought was a man of God until he was caught with another woman and her pastor who would tell her that she didn't need to know the Bible because she was a woman. As we dated I introduced her to other translations to help her to understand what she was reading. I asked her not to stop reading the KJV, but to compare them and to always pray over what she read. After we got married the Holy Spirit had me teach her the awesome power of God and HIS WORD not mans.

I do not have a degree in theology, I am not a professor of the scriptures, and I hold no high office in the church. I do have a love for God that no one can challenge. I believe in the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit, I believe in All gifts of the Spirit, I believe God's Word is infallible and I believe that of all the animals that God created on this earth, mankind is the most ungrateful and the most selfish living creature on this planet. Every time God gives us a gift were not satisfied until we either analyze it, degrade it, experiment on it or we just kill it. I not making lite of this subject! I just want to know why when I throw the KJV, NIV, NCV, NASB, ASB or any other version Bible across the room, God doesn't strike me down or make me very sick. How comes when I read about Paul and Silas being beaten and thrown in prison because they spoke the word of God to a fortune teller (Acts16:16-24) and then they started praying and singing praises to God, then all the doors came open and all the shackles came off (Acts16:25-26). After seeing that none of the prisoners had left the jailer asked to be saved, he was and so was his whole household (Acts16:28-32), after reading all of this in any translation, why do I get so FIRED up for the Lord that I go and tell the world about the awesome power of God! Paul and Silas had no KJV,NASB or NIV Bible and no one behind them to tell them what to say or do. They did have the WORD of GOD, it was in them, not in a binder with pages that were transposed by man. I believe that anyone can write a book and call it God's Word, we've all seen the proof of that, but can anyone live up to the Word of God that's in his heart? I know of only one man in history who can say yes and the same creation that was created to worship and praise Him, was to caught up in what the so called authorities were telling them, they ended up missing out on God.

In closing I would like to say that if you do not like a certain food, you don't eat it or recommend it to some else to eat it; if you don't like a certain kind of music, you don't listen to it and you don't tell others to listen to it, so why must any one be hard on people that like a different translation. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide you not man. I would never claim that I am more intelligent than the next person, but I do know that Christ is coming back real soon and there are going to many surprises in heaven, one being that the only book being used in Heaven will be "The BOOK Of LIFE"!


"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
I Corinthians 1:18

IT'S HOLY GHOST TIME

 

[jari]

Very good point Hiselect, this is amazing especially considering that most of the common folk couldn't read anyway.

do you mean KJV ? it was actually written precisely to the common folks (in England). The Bibles before that could only be read by priests..... the language was so different, but i forgot what was the exact case.

 

[jiggyfly]

do you mean KJV ? it was actually written precisely to the common folks (in England). The Bibles before that could only be read by priests..... the language was so different, but i forgot what was the exact case.

Hello Jari, no to the contrary the KJV was not the first english bible. there were over half a dozen english translations before the KJV was translated. I think you might have KJV and Tyndale's version confused here. There were already several english bibles in print before the KJV.

 

[jari]

Hello Jari, no to the contrary the KJV was not the first english bible. there were over half a dozen english translations before the KJV was translated. I think you might have KJV and Tyndale's version confused here. There were already several english bibles in print before the KJV.

but were they for common people. as i understood the layman english was very different at that time from the noble's english.

but i dont want to side track this thread to off-topic...

 

[Chad]

do you mean KJV ? it was actually written precisely to the common folks (in England). The Bibles before that could only be read by priests..... the language was so different, but i forgot what was the exact case.

And the same applies to modern versions. They are easier to read for today's people.

 

[jari]

And the same applies to modern versions. They are easier to read for today's people.

well i dont know what the case is there then. my understanding was bit different.

 

[hiselect]

but were they for common people. as i understood the layman english was very different at that time from the noble's english.

Indeed but you see, the KJV is not the first English Bible.

995 - The first English translations of the NT produced, Anglo Saxon
1384 - Wycliffe, the first Complete English Bible
1526 - William Tyndale New Testiment. the first NT printed in English
1533 - the first complete English Bible in print form
1535 - The Myles Coverdale's Bible - Complete English + Apocrypha
1537 - The Tyndale/Matthews English Bible
1539 -The "Great Bible" - English Bible legalized for public use
1560 - The Geneva Bible
1568 - The Bishops bible - (This is the book the KJV is a revision of. Yes, that's correct. The KJV was not an original translation, but a revision of an older Bible.)
1609 - The Douy-Reims Roman Catholic English Bible
1611 - The KJV 1611 Bible

 

[MelechYisrael]

I have been keeping up with the postings on this subject off and on all day. When I got home from church this evening I discussed this with Sandy, my blessing from God wife (testimony for another time). She reminded me that she has read and studied from the KJV most of her Christian life which began over 35 yrs. ago, but it wasn't until 12 yrs. ago that she understood what she was reading. When Sandy and I first met she was praying for a teacher, because from the time she was saved in 1973 until 1997 when she saw me in the back of a Christian book store praising God while I was dusting the shelves, no one she asked would teach her. This included her ex-husband who she thought was a man of God until he was caught with another woman and her pastor who would tell her that she didn't need to know the Bible because she was a woman. As we dated I introduced her to other translations to help her to understand what she was reading. I asked her not to stop reading the KJV, but to compare them and to always pray over what she read. After we got married the Holy Spirit had me teach her the awesome power of God and HIS WORD not mans.

I do not have a degree in theology, I am not a professor of the scriptures, and I hold no high office in the church. I do have a love for God that no one can challenge. I believe in the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit, I believe in All gifts of the Spirit, I believe God's Word is infallible and I believe that of all the animals that God created on this earth, mankind is the most ungrateful and the most selfish living creature on this planet. Every time God gives us a gift were not satisfied until we either analyze it, degrade it, experiment on it or we just kill it. I not making lite of this subject! I just want to know why when I throw the KJV, NIV, NCV, NASB, ASB or any other version Bible across the room, God doesn't strike me down or make me very sick. How comes when I read about Paul and Silas being beaten and thrown in prison because they spoke the word of God to a fortune teller (Acts:16-24) and then they started praying and singing praises to God, then all the doors came open and all the shackles came off (Acts:25-26). After seeing that none of the prisoners had left the jailer asked to be saved, he was and so was his whole household (Acts:28-32), after reading all of this in any translation, why do I get so FIRED up for the Lord that I go and tell the world about the awesome power of God! Paul and Silas had no KJV,NASB or NIV Bible and no one behind them to tell them what to say or do. They did have the WORD of GOD, it was in them, not in a binder with pages that were transposed by man. I believe that anyone can write a book and call it God's Word, we've all seen the proof of that, but can anyone live up to the Word of God that's in his heart? I know of only one man in history who can say yes and the same creation that was created to worship and praise Him, was to caught up in what the so called authorities were telling them, they ended up missing out on God.

In closing I would like to say that if you do not like a certain food, you don't eat it or recommend it to some else to eat it; if you don't like a certain kind of music, you don't listen to it and you don't tell others to listen to it, so why must any one be hard on people that like a different translation. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide you not man. I would never claim that I am more intelligent than the next person, but I do know that Christ is coming back real soon and there are going to many surprises in heaven, one being that the only book being used in Heaven will be "The BOOK Of LIFE"!


"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
I Corinthians 1:18

IT'S HOLY GHOST TIME

Praise God! Well put. Well said. Well written. Amen.

 

[Yeshualives]

....After we got married the Holy Spirit had me teach her the awesome power of God and HIS WORD not mans.

...I believe God's Word is infallible ....

Paul and Silas had no KJV,NASB or NIV Bible and no one behind them to tell them what to say or do. They did have the WORD of GOD, it was in them, not in a binder with pages that were transposed by man. I believe that anyone can write a book and call it God's Word ...




... but isn't it the case that Paul and Silas had studied the original Hebrew Torah which Jesus evidently took to be the authoritative Word of God ....

Luke 4 KJV
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. 16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.



...and in the New Testament we are told that in 2 Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness...

 

[Mark Staten]

I did not write this post to get into the debate with anyone, I wrote my thoughts on how we seem to get caught up in what translation others are using and taking our eyes off the the thing that matters, getting souls to Christ.

I have seen in many of these posts that one verse means this in one translation and another meaning in another translation. This tells me that man only wants to hear his word and not God's word. I believe that when you ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, while learning from all the translations, you will get God's meaning. not mans. I have seen the photocopy of the 1611 King James Bible and the average person can not read it, but I'm not saying anything bad about the KJV, but I am not going to put down other translations or people that believe in them. As long as they except John 3:16 with all their heart then we have done what Jesus asked us to do. After that I will teach them how to live a Christian life with what ever way the Holy Spirit leads them.

Love Mark
IT'S HOLY GHOST TIME!!!

 

[Chad]

I have seen in many of these posts that one verse means this in one translation and another meaning in another translation. This tells me that man only wants to hear his word and not God's word. I believe that when you ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, while learning from all the translations, you will get God's meaning. not mans. I have seen the photocopy of the 1611 King James Bible and the average person can not read it, but I'm not saying anything bad about the KJV, but I am not going to put down other translations or people that believe in them. As long as they except John 3:16 with all their heart then we have done what Jesus asked us to do. After that I will teach them how to live a Christian life with what ever way the Holy Spirit leads them.

This is an awesome post! I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I dare any KVJO person tell me I'm not getting the interpretation of Scripture because I'm not reading the KJV translation. That's ridiculous. The Holy Spirit is the Author, not "King James". The Holy Spirit is the one who gives understanding of the Scripture as well.

Once again: there is a difference between translations and "revisions" (perverted so called 'bibles' such as JW, Mormons, etc). Don't get that mixed up. Two totally different things.

 

[Timothy75]

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


Deuteronomy 4:29 , Proverbs 8:17 , Jeremiah 29:13 , Matthew 7:7 , Matthew 7:8 , Luke 11:9, Luke 11:10

Personally I wish I could read and more importantly understand hebrew and greek but I think my God is a wonderful supplier of my needs and If I believe the verses above I have no reason to doubt that when I earnestly seek him I will find him no matter what version of the bible I read.

I used to read the KJV only myself and struggled until I was given a comparison bible wich printed KJV, AMP, NAS, and NI side by side in 4 columns for my birthday.

I think God intended for people to serve each others spiritual needs more than any book in any language. Anyhow thats just my thoughts.


I thought I remembered reading something about it being good or wise, for a man or king, to have many counsellers or advisors, but I cant seem to find it searching wise, wisdom, king, etc. If someone knows it and could post it or just message me I would appreciate it .