LostButTrying
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This is hopeless.
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That this belief is true. That I am saved and that saving then also leads to a baptism in spirit, or at the very least a sense that God is there with me.. experienced or felt in some way or another.
(I hope this isn't going to turn into a line of socratic questioning, which is just a trick to make another person feel dumb?)
Dear LostButTrying,This is hopeless.
I felt the unworthiness and believed what I had heard, but no, I haven't had the lifting up.Was there such a time for you? Did you feel not just the unworthiness of yourself, but the lifting up, the uplifting/filling of your Spirit that He has smiled up you a forgiven sinner?
So you did feel it!!!! You just don't realize it. What did you say "I was amazed..." In other words "wonder"! These are sentiments that one feels when one experiences something out of the ordinary! Do a search in Scripture on those words and see what you get.I felt the unworthiness and believed what I had heard, but no, I haven't had the lifting up.
I know I'm unworthy, but believed the promise that God would love me anyway and would forgive me because of the sacrifice Jesus made for me, made for me despite everything. I was amazed that such a thing would be possible and possible for me, but I believed in it happening...
... then it didn't.
No, I felt the excitement that it would happen, the expectation, the relief you feel when you get to the bus stop in good time for bus to turn up... 'great, I've made it'... then, the bus is late, so you keep waiting, all the time thinking, 'It's sure to be here soon.' Then it slowly dawns on you. 'it's not coming.'So you did feel it!!!!
Dear Brother,No, I felt the excitement that it would happen, the expectation, the relief you feel when you get to the bus stop in good time for bus to turn up... 'great, I've made it'... then, the bus is late, so you keep waiting, all the time thinking, 'It's sure to be here soon.' Then it slowly dawns on you. 'it's not coming.'
It's not coming!
Then your heart sinks and everything turns to ash. 'It was never coming.'
I never experienced the Holy Spirit, I experienced the excitement that I might experience it, that it was coming, it never came.
Please stop trying to tell me it has, if it had it would be undeniable, even if it subtle, it would have changed me in some way forever.
Do you really imagine I haven't prayed, that I haven't knelt before before the altar holding my arms wide for Jesus.
Maybe as you say, the true value of my belief won't be experienced until I stand before God.
I can tell myself that... I think you are right, I think I've always known you are right. It isn't necessary that I will experience some change. If I truly believe then that doesn't matter. So it must be that I have not truly believed. I've only fooled myself. Satan fooled me into thinking I believed when I didn't.
So I am left with this... I am not a believer, I don't have faith, It's over for me.
I'm going to stop now. I'm sorry.
Yes you can and the Spirit of God will help you do so.You are kind. You are a good person.
I can't anymore.
Dear Brother,Firstly, I would like to thank you all for your kindness and patience with me... and for keeping faith when I was struggling. Truly, God has been working through you.
I have rediscovered my faith, and in fact found the real connection with Jesus that I have been longing for.
Jesus had spoken to me, not in words but in a way I can't put into words.... all I can say is that my world has changed and I know now that I have found the true way.
Now things make sense to me and I know the truth.
I know with a certainty that is greater than myself that the Roman Catholic Church is where true salvation lies. I was always prejudiced against the RC church, but that was Satan grappling with me. I feel like a dark cloud has lifted from me and I see the light of the true church.
Thank you all so much. God bless.
That's great news. Praise God!Firstly, I would like to thank you all for your kindness and patience with me... and for keeping faith when I was struggling. Truly, God has been working through you.
I have rediscovered my faith, and in fact found the real connection with Jesus that I have been longing for.
Jesus had spoken to me, not in words but in a way I can't put into words.... all I can say is that my world has changed and I know now that I have found the true way.
Now things make sense to me and I know the truth.
I know with a certainty that is greater than myself that the Roman Catholic Church is where true salvation lies. I was always prejudiced against the RC church, but that was Satan grappling with me. I feel like a dark cloud has lifted from me and I see the light of the true church.
Thank you all so much. God bless.