Liberalism

[Laeomis]

Is it possible to be a liberal and Christian?

Share your thoughts, comment below. Why is your answer yes/no?

So, we've answered @Chad 's question, and we're wondering about his rebuttal. Is it possible to be a conservative and Christian? Why is your answer yes/no?

 

[Brother Paul]

So, we've answered @Chad 's question, and we're wondering about his rebuttal. Is it possible to be a conservative and Christian? Why is your answer yes/no?

The answer is you can be either but neither party extreme. One cannot legit be an actual Marxist or a Christo-fascist Trumplican! Both are not followers of Jesus.

 

[MedicBravo]

The answer is you can be either but neither party extreme. One cannot legit be an actual Marxist or a Christo-fascist Trumplican! Both are not followers of Jesus.

What is this "Christo-fascist Trumplican" according to you? Are you suggesting a Christian cannot support the ideas and beliefs for the country that one man, a flawed, sinner like the rest of us, was the President and with plenty of evidence our country would not be in such a sh**hole b/c of the fraudulent election.
Liberals are the Floaters. Too scared t pick a side and so they cherry pick so many things that Liberal is the only place they'll fit.
So, explain your made up term.

 

[Brother Paul]

What is this "Christo-fascist Trumplican" according to you? Are you suggesting a Christian cannot support the ideas and beliefs for the country that one man, a flawed, sinner like the rest of us, was the President and with plenty of evidence our country would not be in such a sh**hole b/c of the fraudulent election.
Liberals are the Floaters. Too scared t pick a side and so they cherry pick so many things that Liberal is the only place they'll fit.
So, explain your made up term.

Ahhh No! Follow Jesus. This is TALK JESUS! Do not glorify the arm of flesh, do good, care for the poor and the sinners, feed the hungry, provide healing for the sick, set the oppressed free, and so on. Jesus is the WAY. Love your neighbor as you yourself would want to be loved. So yes, pick a side, pick Jesus!

 

[MedicBravo]

??
No one can ignore the leaders of their country. left ideas and beliefs are not Christian at all.
Jesus isn't going to show up to fix America or any country.
When was the last time a Demorat truly believed in God and did something good? If they appeared to be they were putting a false front.

 

[GodB4Us]

" liberalism as making moral compromises with favored social values"

An interesting definition though it sounds a bit politicized. Under this definition, most of us would agree but if conservative equals being nationalist and favoring the the top 2 or 3% at the expense of others, elevating a man or group of old whit men, like many of today's alleged conservatives, then that is just as heinous. These factors are why I refuse to identify with either extreme. You go one way because of some good they dangle like a carrot and you end up having to put up with all the hidden agenda they REALLY want to accomplish (both sides do this).

We definitely need more choice than one of the two that these two Parties choose for us to choose from. that is not actual choice at all.

I had posted "And liberalism and conservatism can be corrupted on both sides" as now I do believe the prince of this world is trying to start another American Civil War. Whether or not he succeeds, Jesus is still Lord.

Psalm 92:5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
8 But thou, Lord, art most high for evermore.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

It is said that a nation falls because of immorality.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

 

[Brother Paul]

??
No one can ignore the leaders of their country. left ideas and beliefs are not Christian at all.
Jesus isn't going to show up to fix America or any country.
When was the last time a Demorat truly believed in God and did something good? If they appeared to be they were putting a false front.

If you say so. Follow Jesus, he is the head, be the body, and leave the rest to God.

 

[GodB4Us]

??
No one can ignore the leaders of their country. left ideas and beliefs are not Christian at all.
Jesus isn't going to show up to fix America or any country.
When was the last time a Demorat truly believed in God and did something good? If they appeared to be they were putting a false front.

Freemasons believes most men needs to be ruled and that they are the privilege few to rule over them. They can wind up with that mentality of the people behind the Goergia Guidestones.

When both sides, the Democrat and the Republican are talking about the New World Order at various times, you really have to wonder if they are playing us in order to pit each side of the American people against the other to start a another civil war, then have an excuse to call in NATO who will not treat the American people with respect, and turn everything over into a police state.

I voted Trump, but I have to wonder why he went with a new way to make a vaccine by injecting a programmable RNA sequence in dealing with Covid 19? Was he misled? Was he in collusion? Is he a Freemason? Is he a Jesuit?

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.

The Democrats and Republicans Both Take Orders from the Same Masters. The New World Order.

Regardless, Jesus is still Lord.

Proverbs 24:20 For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.
21 My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

Psalm 92:5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
8 But thou, Lord, art most high for evermore.

Signs of the times for why Christians should be going before that throne of grace for help to be found abiding in Him as well as being willing to go when the Bridegroom comes les we be ensnared by the cares of this life.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Brother Paul]

Freemasons believes most men needs to be ruled and that they are the privilege few to rule over them. They can wind up with that mentality of the people behind the Goergia Guidestones.

When both sides, the Democrat and the Republican are talking about the New World Order at various times, you really have to wonder if they are playing us in order to pit each side of the American people against the other to start a another civil war, then have an excuse to call in NATO who will not treat the American people with respect, and turn everything over into a police state.

I voted Trump, but I have to wonder why he went with a new way to make a vaccine by injecting a programmable RNA sequence in dealing with Covid 19? Was he misled? Was he in collusion? Is he a Freemason? Is he a Jesuit?

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.

The Democrats and Republicans Both Take Orders from the Same Masters. The New World Order.

Regardless, Jesus is still Lord.

Proverbs 24:20 For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.
21 My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

Psalm 92:5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
8 But thou, Lord, art most high for evermore.

Signs of the times for why Christians should be going before that throne of grace for help to be found abiding in Him as well as being willing to go when the Bridegroom comes les we be ensnared by the cares of this life.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Amen. Bur so many have eyes but cannot see, ears but cannot hear.

 

[GodB4Us]

Amen. Bur so many have eyes but cannot see, ears but cannot hear.

True, and it gets worse for the nation when it happens to the Christian churches first for why God is coming as the Bridegroom to judge His House first at the rapture event.

 

[MedicBravo]

Freemasons believes most men needs to be ruled and that they are the privilege few to rule over them. They can wind up with that mentality of the people behind the Goergia Guidestones.

When both sides, the Democrat and the Republican are talking about the New World Order at various times, you really have to wonder if they are playing us in order to pit each side of the American people against the other to start a another civil war, then have an excuse to call in NATO who will not treat the American people with respect, and turn everything over into a police state.

I voted Trump, but I have to wonder why he went with a new way to make a vaccine by injecting a programmable RNA sequence in dealing with Covid 19? Was he misled? Was he in collusion? Is he a Freemason? Is he a Jesuit?

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.

The Democrats and Republicans Both Take Orders from the Same Masters. The New World Order.

Regardless, Jesus is still Lord.

Proverbs 24:20 For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.
21 My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

Psalm 92:5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
8 But thou, Lord, art most high for evermore.

Signs of the times for why Christians should be going before that throne of grace for help to be found abiding in Him as well as being willing to go when the Bridegroom comes les we be ensnared by the cares of this life.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Lots of questions but if he never ran we would have NEVER seen the corruption in America and more in the world.
We can fix many of our problems but all won't be fixed anywhere until He comes back.
You can copy/paste scripture all day but America isn't nor is the world a Christian nation or world. Arguing from this "point of Authority" is flawed b/c many believe it to NOT be universal or recognize it.
There are non-Christians here who are in some Neutral area. Everyone needs a mix of biased and unbiased POV.

 

[GodB4Us]

Lots of questions but if he never ran we would have NEVER seen the corruption in America and more in the world.
We can fix many of our problems but all won't be fixed anywhere until He comes back.
You can copy/paste scripture all day but America isn't nor is the world a Christian nation or world. Arguing from this "point of Authority" is flawed b/c many believe it to NOT be universal or recognize it.
There are non-Christians here who are in some Neutral area. Everyone needs a mix of biased and unbiased POV.

Scripture are for those that are Christians when they want to know what He says about the issues we face about the nation on whether or not we should be "embroiled" thus carried away by emotions due to provocative events or not.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The time to step up was when they began teaching the evolution theory in schools as if it was proven or a fact when it never was. The corruption of minors began back then in taking their eyes off of God or even considering God.

 

[Laeomis]

Liberals and Democrats can be Christian. Liberality itself is a Christian virtue and so is being wise in conservation. Both can also be evil.

What is going on is not that Liberals are the enemy, but there is a Devil that runs through both parties. It's naive to think that the Liberal party is completely responsible for the sins of the nation.

I believe you can go to Heaven if you are on the Left, but you can also go to Hell on the Right.

The right hand might have to be cut off anyway, because Trump and his son-in-law have such a conspiracy with the 666 Fifth Avenue building in New York City and the taking of bribes from Saudi Arabia.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Liberals and Democrats can be Christian. Liberality itself is a Christian virtue and so is being wise in conservation. Both can also be evil.

What is going on is not that Liberals are the enemy, but there is a Devil that runs through both parties. It's naive to think that the Liberal party is completely responsible for the sins of the nation.

I believe you can go to Heaven if you are on the Left, but you can also go to Hell on the Right.

The right hand might have to be cut off anyway, because Trump and his son-in-law have such a conspiracy with the 666 Fifth Avenue building in New York City and the taking of bribes from Saudi Arabia.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom. God Bless.

 

[Rejoice evermore.]

No, they do not. It is written, be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Brother Paul]

No, they do not. It is written, be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Matthew 25:31-46

 

[MedicBravo]

Liberals and Democrats can be Christian. Liberality itself is a Christian virtue and so is being wise in conservation. Both can also be evil.

What is going on is not that Liberals are the enemy, but there is a Devil that runs through both parties. It's naive to think that the Liberal party is completely responsible for the sins of the nation.

I believe you can go to Heaven if you are on the Left, but you can also go to Hell on the Right.

The right hand might have to be cut off anyway, because Trump and his son-in-law have such a conspiracy with the 666 Fifth Avenue building in New York City and the taking of bribes from Saudi Arabia.

I'm going to clarify some things.

• America is not a Christian nation. Heavily inspired by and God Himself is name in our founding documents. The Constitution, our laws, our inalienable rights are therein to further cement where they come from.
• Separation of church and state is NOT in the Constitution or our founding documents. It means......there can be no church/state or state/church. The government cannot staff and run the country with all Christian leaders nor can it create a national/federal church and in both making laws with influence from the Bible.
  It's one of many reasons our ancestors left.

Christians don't force people so let's get started.

• Liberals:
  Want government to run healthcare and it be "free" for all. If you support this you know nothing of the V.A. or military medicine let alone civilian medicine.
• Nothing is free.
• Government should provide more services to the less fortunate (like health care) and increase taxes if necessary. - No. You do not elevate someone else by taking from others. Jesus would not approve.
• Gay couples to get equal rights like everyone else. NEVER.

• The people should look to the government to provide a structure. Laws are enacted to protect every individual for an equal society sometimes at the expense of economic freedom if neccessary.

  No. Life is not fair and it sucks a lot for a lot of people.
  Higher education is not right. You take out a loan it's your responsibility to pay it. It's your own fault if you don't learn about them and how they work.
• I'm not responsible for your well-being nor anyone else's. You are not responsible for me or anyone else. However, caring for our own and others is innate in us but again, we don't force people.

The very definition of Liberal is simply a weak, PC wording of Leftist/Democract. They want MORE government which our ancestors were seeking to get away from in coming here. You don't know history or Government if you support bigger government.
Jesus deal with "big government" and look how things turned out for him, the Jews, and Christians throughout history and today.
God and Jesus. The only government we need. Conservative values are far more in line than any other group's.

 

[Brother Paul]

I'm going to clarify some things.

• America is not a Christian nation. Heavily inspired by and God Himself is name in our founding documents. The Constitution, our laws, our inalienable rights are therein to further cement where they come from.
• Separation of church and state is NOT in the Constitution or our founding documents. It means......there can be no church/state or state/church. The government cannot staff and run the country with all Christian leaders nor can it create a national/federal church and in both making laws with influence from the Bible.
  It's one of many reasons our ancestors left.

Christians don't force people so let's get started.

• Liberals:
  Want government to run healthcare and it be "free" for all. If you support this you know nothing of the V.A. or military medicine let alone civilian medicine.
• Nothing is free.
• Government should provide more services to the less fortunate (like health care) and increase taxes if necessary. - No. You do not elevate someone else by taking from others. Jesus would not approve.
• Gay couples to get equal rights like everyone else. NEVER.

• The people should look to the government to provide a structure. Laws are enacted to protect every individual for an equal society sometimes at the expense of economic freedom if neccessary.

  No. Life is not fair and it sucks a lot for a lot of people.
  Higher education is not right. You take out a loan it's your responsibility to pay it. It's your own fault if you don't learn about them and how they work.
• I'm not responsible for your well-being nor anyone else's. You are not responsible for me or anyone else. However, caring for our own and others is innate in us but again, we don't force people.

The very definition of Liberal is simply a weak, PC wording of Leftist/Democract. They want MORE government which our ancestors were seeking to get away from in coming here. You don't know history or Government if you support bigger government.
Jesus deal with "big government" and look how things turned out for him, the Jews, and Christians throughout history and today.
God and Jesus. The only government we need. Conservative values are far more in line than any other group's.

It simply boils down to this. Yes Jesus was for small government because He wanted the self governed to love God but also to love their neighbor as they themselves would want to be loved. Yes He believed in private ownership and free enterprise but noted GREED as an evil thing. He went about doing good. Caring for the poor. Feeding the hungry and offered healing for free to all who sought it and worked to set the oppressed free (Matthew 25L31-46).

As far as RNC or DNC or Liberal or Conservative WE should care less. OUR concern should be to emulate HIM (1 John 2:6). Think how He would think and do as He would do. We are His and if OUR Spirit is His Spirit we shall be like Him, and if we are not and claim to be His, then we should look carefully at Matthew 25:1-13 because there are many right now calling themselves Christians who He does not know. They are in the Bridal Chamber allegedly waiting His return but they are NOT His children for they do not any of the things He modeled for us to do. Yes they probably said a sinner prayer or were given a bath (just as Simon Magi) but they are not SAVED (Romans 8:9)

SO are any of these so-called Christians you indicate feeding the hungry, or caring for the poor, or offering the ill healing (not dependent on money), or caring for and respecting our neighbors or the fatherless or elderly? Are they helping the oppressed become FREE? If so follow them and support them, and if not, then they are goats and should be avoided at all cost. Amen? This IS the heart of our Father now do it. Amen!

 

[Laeomis]

Jesus says in John 8:32 that the truth shall set you free. Jesus is the cornerstone of the truth and came to set the whole world free. With Jesus liberty excels, but it fails in paganism without Jesus. The absence of the truth will cause both conservatives and liberals to fail.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

liberty (n.)
late 14c., "free choice, freedom to do as one chooses," also "freedom from the bondage of sin," from Old French liberte "freedom, liberty, free will" (14c., Modern French liberté), from Latin libertatem (nominative libertas) "civil or political freedom, condition of a free man; absence of restraint; permission," from liber "free" (see liberal (adj.)). At first of persons; of communities, "state of being free from arbitrary, despotic, or autocratic rule or control" is by late 15c.

liberty | Etymology of liberty by etymonline

"free choice, freedom to do as one chooses," also "freedom from the bondage of sin," from… See origin and meaning of liberty.

www.etymonline.com

Liber means free. It may also be related to Libra, the scales of justice. Liber was also a term referred to for books (library) which we use to write and distribute the truth and knowledge. Also it was used to refer to the Roman form of Bacchus or Dionysus, the Greek God of wine who was the immaculate conception of Zeus who was betrayed by the Titans and raised himself from the dead, who told the people, "You will know I am God," and who descended to Hades and back.

Israel was not exactly a Democracy when the Jews betrayed Jesus. It was a state corrupted by the Roman Senate and broken into Sanhedrins so that corrupt Jews and foreign kings could abuse the common people with taxation. Jesus fled to Democracy in Greece. Jesus and the Gospel through Paul and the Apostles went to Greece where Democracy was born and seated. The Gospel was written in Greek.

Solomon teaches us to seek after knowledge, so that knowledge will keep us from wickedness. Proverbs 2:12-14.

12 Wisdom will save(N) you from the ways of wicked men,
from men whose words are perverse,
13 who have left the straight paths
to walk in dark ways,(O)
14 who delight in doing wrong
and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,(P)
15 whose paths are crooked(Q)
and who are devious in their ways.(R)

So in the days to come the vile person will no longer be called liberal and criminals will not be called conservative. Isaiah 32:5.

 

[PloughBoy]

Liberalism
Political philosophy

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Liberalism is a political and MORAL PHILOSOPHY based on The Rights Of The Individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles. Wikipedia
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The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, the separation of church and state, the right to due process and equality under the law are widely accepted as A Common Foundation Of Liberalism.