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Liberalism

Do liberal ideologies mix with Christianity?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 21.5%
  • No

    Votes: 47 72.3%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 4 6.2%

  • Total voters
    65
When someone is stealing he is called a thief when someone can stand n say that they r so for a party that has made made American doctors to affirm the childrens feelings over their well bein they r either brainwashed or very evil id prefer to give the person some lead way with the word brainwashed to be honest.. I myself don't dance around words or nor do I walk on glass (worry) who's feelings may get hurt by speaking the Truth.. i had to walk on glass many many years.. i have been set free from that chain.. if being kind is sugar coating n lying to people i definetly will not fit in..


Twistie
Speaking truth is not in opposition to speaking with kindness and grace.

Unfortunately you misunderstood what Laeomis was saying. So your response was not based in truth.

So rather than truthful and gracious, your reply was ignorant and rude.

Laeomis quoted Romans 13, saying that as God is sovereign over everything, we should not rebel against the leader he has put in place, even if we disapprove of them.

Your accusation that he is placing men above God is precisely the opposite of what he was saying.

Far from sugarcoating the truth, you've managed to wrap up misunderstanding in sourness. Wisdom and gentleness are Christlike virtues well worth pursuing.
 
Speaking truth is not in opposition to speaking with kindness and grace.

Unfortunately you misunderstood what Laeomis was saying. So your response was not based in truth.

So rather than truthful and gracious, your reply was ignorant and rude.

Laeomis quoted Romans 13, saying that as God is sovereign over everything, we should not rebel against the leader he has put in place, even if we disapprove of them.

Your accusation that he is placing men above God is precisely the opposite of what he was saying.

Far from sugarcoating the truth, you've managed to wrap up misunderstanding in sourness. Wisdom and gentleness are Christlike virtues well worth pursuing.
Oh he's not gunho for a party that's for chopping children up.. ok..

I maybe rude in speech but I'm not ignorant of what's goin on in the world if one wants to b gunho for a man then one should know what that person is about..

Turning a blind eye to the evil that's going on seems to be what many Christians are doing..

How one believes voting for a lesser of two evils is acceptable to YH I will never understand...

Many have been conformed to the world n it's ways would u say when Yeshua called the people hypocrites he shouldn't of when he turned the tables would ya of told him his was sour?..

Like I wrote before if Truth is offensive n now sour by your words idk what to tell ya..

I'm still trying to understand how one thinks YH is sovereign but yet thinks YH needs man help to put a man in power..

Twistie
 
I'm still trying to understand how one thinks YH is sovereign but yet thinks YH needs man help to put a man in power..
From the very beginning God has given responsibily and authority to humans.

See genesis 1:28

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

The story of the Bible is full of people God raised up to be leaders: Moses, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, Saul, David, Nehemiah, Peter.

God doesn't need to work through humans, but in his sovereignty he chooses to.
 
From the very beginning God has given responsibily and authority to humans.

See genesis 1:28

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

The story of the Bible is full of people God raised up to be leaders: Moses, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, Saul, David, Nehemiah, Peter.

God doesn't need to work through humans, but in his sovereignty he chooses to.
Still looking for where it's written to tell me to sugarcoat n to follow the evil ways of man n to keep the Truth from people.. can't find where it's written where YH tells me He needs my help to put a evil man in power either.. man didn't vote for Moses or Saul or David or Peter or Nehemiah... YH put them in charge..


Twistie
 
Still looking for where it's written to tell me to sugarcoat n to follow the evil ways of man n to keep the Truth from people.. can't find where it's written where YH tells me He needs my help to put a evil man in power either.. man didn't vote for Moses or Saul or David or Peter or Nehemiah... YH put them in charge..


Twistie
The bible doesn't say any of those things. Neither has anyone on this thread.
 
The bible doesn't say any of those things. Neither has anyone on this thread.
N yet the dude thinks it's ok to vote and to put an evil man on a pedestal...n got u to stick up for him for doing so your words will testify to that...

Twistie
 
N yet the dude thinks it's ok to vote and to put an evil man on a pedestal...n got u to stick up for him for doing so your words will testify to that...

Twistie
Not true. He's said nothing about putting anyone on a pedestal.
 
Laeomis quoted Romans 13, saying that as God is sovereign over everything, we should not rebel against the leader he has put in place, even if we disapprove of them.

Your accusation that he is placing men above God is precisely the opposite of what he was saying.
Dear Brother,
The problem with Laeomis is that when presented the mirror of Scripture for him to look at, they have not replied to their inability to be so concerned when the shoe was on the other foot. :(
Meaning, I mentioned Romans 13 to him first in respect to governing authorities but as it pertained to the previous Administration of former President Trump, but he could only see those who went against the existing administration President Biden.

This inability to look at Scripture impartially is probably the most telling in people. Be they believer or non-believer. Oh, I don't mean judging the actions/acts of others in condemnation which happens way to often unnecessarily, but surely, we need to be able to discern right from almost right in the decisions they do make! Otherwise, we'll grab a hold of the life preserver that the Adversary put in the water and not our Lord's!!!!

That is why I pray for whoever happens to be in the office of President in the USA as I am sure you do for whoever the Prime Minister is in the UK, because they surely need it, and hopefully they will learn to seek guidance from God and not just man who is no different in the failings in their decision making as they themselves are! Sadly, few leaders do actually seek God's guidance, but it should never prevent us from sending those prayers Heavenward on their behalf for help, but it also should not prevent us from acknowledging or holding their actions/policies that they push in office against what Scripture says either.

I was tender with my children as could be, but when a hide needed to tanned, I was available and able to do that too! Ignoring it, never made the situations better! lol

I apologize ahead of time for butting in between you and our Dear Sister Twistie, but I wanted to clear up a little of the misperception on Laeomis.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Is it possible to be a liberal and Christian?

Share your thoughts, comment below. Why is your answer yes/no?
No.

Reason is, because the political/cultural idea of 'liberalism' began with the French Revolution which produced the Reign of Terror. The very idealists that pushed it wound up sending many innocent people to the guillotine.

The watchwords of the French Revolution were "Liberty, equality and fraternity".

As a result of the radical liberalism of the French Revolution, in Britain a counter to it began with the 'conservative' movement. That is where the idea of the Left and the Right in politics began.

But there's really a much darker history behind the liberalism of the French Revolution. It was one of the first movements by the secret societies in attempt overthrow the French Monarchy and the Church. It was one of the earliest examples of the socialist movement known as 'collectivism'. It was especially promoted by so-called free-thinkers, like Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Masonic Lodges of Freemasonry.

John Robison (1798), a British naturalist, and a British Mason, wrote a work called Proofs Of A Conspiracy. In it he documented discovered secret papers of Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati order discovered by police in Bavaria. The documents revealed Weishaupt's takeover of the lodges of Freemasonry on Continental Europe (not British lodges). Weishaupt's Illuminati order then added many degrees onto the 3 degrees of original Masonry. He attracted all sorts of charlatans, black magicians, alchemists, those who practiced the occult arts, etc. And per his own personal letters admitted his main strategy was to overthrow the governments, the monarchy, and the Churches of Europe. Weishaupt was an orthodox Jew, originally a professor of law at Ingolstadt University in Austria. Bavarian police discovered documents of the order on one of its dead agents, and the Bavarian Illuminati order became know to the rulers in Europe, and was banned. But Weishaupt had said that if his order were ever discovered, it would go ten times deeper into secrecy.

It was that movement that started the so-called era called "Enlightenment" and the French Revolution. It took hold of some of the founders of the United States, like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, who leaned towards liberal policies since having been rubbing elbows in France with those of the Enlightenment. Those like George Washington, who was a conservative, was more allied with those like the British Masons in Britain. This is why American history has the works of The Federalist Papers and The Anti-Federalist Papers, with opposing views between 2 sides. Thus our United States two political party system idea.

Weishaupt's Illuminati documents that were discovered promote a collectivist system that is like an outline of the later Communist movement. One could easily think Weishaupt's order is where the first Communist theories and doctrines originated. His plans for getting control of positions in politics, finance, media, publishing, education, military, etc., is exactly like what the Communists have proposed against the free nations.

If you've gotten to this point, and haven't stopped reading this, then know that God's Word covers this topic, but in a general sense. It is about the crept in unawares of Jude 4, the "tares" in Christ's parable of the tares of the field per Matthew 13, the "synagogue of Satan" which Jesus proclaimed are those who only say they are Jews, but are not. It is about the "mystery of iniquity", the "many antichrists", the "workers of iniquity" in the Old Testament. It's about the powers and principalities, rulers of darkness of this world that Apostle Paul said we wrestle with.
 
A continued history of the doctrine of 'liberalism' after the French Revolution was with the Bolsheviks in 1917 Russia when they overthrew the Christian government and Russian monarchy, murdering Czar Nicholas II and his family. Thus began atheistic Communism. And they used the same propaganda ploys of Liberty, equality, fraternity, upon the Russia poor that the French revolutionaries used. Stalin would close the Christian Churches and use them instead as grain storage bins, and allow many thousands to starve.

In 1933 Spain, the collectivist Communists took over Spain's government, they claim by a fair election. Their real aim was to end the Spanish Monarchs and end the Christian Church there too. This led to the 1938 Spanish Civil War, which the supporter of the Monarchy and Church, General Franco, asked Hitler and Mussolini for military aid in order to bring control of Spain back to the Church supported government and Monarchy. Because of his getting help from Hitler and Mussolini (who hated Communism), Franco was labeled a Fascist along with them.

This secret war between the followers of Jesus Christ and the followers of Lucifer has been going on ever since Cain slew his brother Abel. These secret societies operating behind the scenes are responsible for more turmoil, war, financial depressions, famines, etc., than what many only think happen by chance.
 
Greetings,

Where do you get this from

followers of Lucifer
?

A history 'study' is one thing but romanticism and fantasy is another.

I mention that because I am unaware of Scripture that gives account of such. By all means let me know if I have missed something.
I don't mean the usual tale about 'Lucifer' that many think the Scripture tells of. Anything else perhaps?

Thank you for reading.


Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings,

Where do you get this from


?

A history 'study' is one thing but romanticism and fantasy is another.

I mention that because I am unaware of Scripture that gives account of such. By all means let me know if I have missed something.
I don't mean the usual tale about 'Lucifer' that many think the Scripture tells of. Anything else perhaps?

Thank you for reading.


Bless you ....><>
You mean you don't know about Lucifer, or that you do, but are just trying to lead me on? Are you a member of a secret society, like the Masons?
 
Greetings,

You mean you don't know about Lucifer, or that you do, but are just trying to lead me on? Are you a member of a secret society, like the Masons?
I do not want to sound rude, but are you absolutely sure there's no hype?

And so as to put you at ease on the matter, no secret society for me.


Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings,


I do not want to sound rude, but are you absolutely sure there's no hype?

And so as to put you at ease on the matter, no secret society for me.


Bless you ....><>
Statements by those who are ignorant of the influence of Lucifer and his servants here on earth often do appear to be rude, simply because the statements of the uninformed are often in the sense that if 'they' don't know, then anyone else saying different is just not telling the truth.

My dad was like that; if he didn't here about a matter on CBS, NBC, or ABC TV, then it didn't happen. I even recall one time that my mortgage company was boosting my monthly payment so they could put more money into my Escrow account (for taxes and insurance). Sure at the end of the year, or in January, they sent me a refund check of leftover funds that didn't get used. Then I thought to myself, if they were doing that to me, and were also doing it with all their mortgages, how much money would that be throughout the year that they could use and draw interest on, or do short term investments with? I told my dad, and he just said I was paranoid, one of the simple come-backs toward a supposed conspiracy theorist. Then about a month later, he saw on the TV show 60 Minutes that several mortgage companies were discovered doing that very thing with people's Escrow accounts. About 2 years after that, I got a settlement check in the mail from a class-action lawsuit that someone filed against my mortgage company.

So I really do not concern myself with those who try to say I'm simply making stuff up. I know those simply are illiterate and probably live in a closed bubble world like my dad. And I have often asked myself why God had given me the urge to wade through a lot of written works that most would never touch. How many do you know that have read Foreign Affairs magazine? That's a publication by the CFR, and it used to be put out front on the magazine rack in public libraries.
 
Brother Chad, I said yes depending very much on the subject matter!! (Gal 5:13) Notice also please with every freedom there is a condition to that freedom!! So as long as my possible soul mate meets that condition, I would have no problem if she was a tad bit liberal. lol
 
Hi All
One of the biggest issues affecting all of society is the position of advocacy of opinion and our supposed right to one. Christians who recognizing the Love of The Truth as a moral anchor are not so quick to fight over matters of opinion. Christians generally are people of respect, for the truth, and for others. If anything has fractured our society more than the spirit of the opinion forums and the philosophy they promote I do not know what it could be. Of course I include the cell phone as the enabling agent. Facebook, Twitter now X, Google in all it's venues, I think there is no greater contributor in type or spirit to both dissipation and conflict. All of this is established by unchecked ego expressing opinion.

So how does this play out in the contrast of liberal and Christian? The liberal spirit exists to express opinion. Christians live to uncover in their minds and hearts truth and value more than unfettered expression and personal opinion. The two things might mesh for awhile in the neutral zone but eventually grounds for conflict will be reached by reason of their incompatibility and strife will develop. Politics is the forum of choice for liberals to express their opinion along with of course the arts. But it is the liberal in politics that is the danger for real Christians. Christians make very poor despots. Liberals on the other hand are excellent at it. Christians are sure to be persecuted by the highly opinionated and the platform we are most likely to be persecuted from will be a liberal one.

Don't look at this analysis as a lock stock and barrel assessment. The lines are actually a bit blurry and the neutral zone can be quite large but the substance of the character of both are real. So the short answer Liberals will always have difficulty with Evangelical Christians and will eventually persecute us if left unchecked.
 
Hi All
One of the biggest issues affecting all of society is the position of advocacy of opinion and our supposed right to one. Christians who recognizing the Love of The Truth as a moral anchor are not so quick to fight over matters of opinion. Christians generally are people of respect, for the truth, and for others. If anything has fractured our society more than the spirit of the opinion forums and the philosophy they promote I do not know what it could be. Of course I include the cell phone as the enabling agent. Facebook, Twitter now X, Google in all it's venues, I think there is no greater contributor in type or spirit to both dissipation and conflict. All of this is established by unchecked ego expressing opinion.

So how does this play out in the contrast of liberal and Christian? The liberal spirit exists to express opinion. Christians live to uncover in their minds and hearts truth and value more than unfettered expression and personal opinion. The two things might mesh for awhile in the neutral zone but eventually grounds for conflict will be reached by reason of their incompatibility and strife will develop. Politics is the forum of choice for liberals to express their opinion along with of course the arts. But it is the liberal in politics that is the danger for real Christians. Christians make very poor despots. Liberals on the other hand are excellent at it. Christians are sure to be persecuted by the highly opinionated and the platform we are most likely to be persecuted from will be a liberal one.

Don't look at this analysis as a lock stock and barrel assessment. The lines are actually a bit blurry and the neutral zone can be quite large but the substance of the character of both are real. So the short answer Liberals will always have difficulty with Evangelical Christians and will eventually persecute us if left unchecked.

Very well written!

I've found that the "grounds for conflict" you speak of comes much sooner than later for me.

Their posts are like a neon sign flashing. I bite my tongue at times, at other times I just can't.
 
Very well written!

I've found that the "grounds for conflict" you speak of comes much sooner than later for me.

Their posts are like a neon sign flashing. I bite my tongue at times, at other times I just can't.
Hi Charlie
I can expound on how the alarms go off for the more contemplative among us of which I believe you are one. But let me throw a boulder on the course ahead. If you and I in fact anyone at all can not, or will not say no when confronted with a value issue do we morally exist in the face of that circumstance? If we let the value drop to the ground is it not dead within us? So in this line of thinking alone without modification should not a true Christian find themselves prone to violence?
Jesus Christ is Lord of all. It must be Him we follow or we will become criminals ourselves. He is our wisdom supplying us with The Spirit's guidance as well as His very great Peace. So my conclusion is Jesus Is My Answer and all I personally have are questions.
 
Hi Charlie
I can expound on how the alarms go off for the more contemplative among us of which I believe you are one. But let me throw a boulder on the course ahead. If you and I in fact anyone at all can not, or will not say no when confronted with a value issue do we morally exist in the face of that circumstance? If we let the value drop to the ground is it not dead within us? So in this line of thinking alone without modification should not a true Christian find themselves prone to violence?
Jesus Christ is Lord of all. It must be Him we follow or we will become criminals ourselves. He is our wisdom supplying us with The Spirit's guidance as well as His very great Peace. So my conclusion is Jesus Is My Answer and all I personally have are questions.

The religious leaders of Israel were the politicians, the Pharisees and Sadducees, etc. even though they were controlled by Rome.

Christ had some very hard things to say to them without violence, in fact, He had some very hard sayings for everyone without violence.

You may just have questions, I have some hard sayings, and without violence.
 
The religious leaders of Israel were the politicians, the Pharisees and Sadducees, etc. even though they were controlled by Rome.

Christ had some very hard things to say to them without violence, in fact, He had some very hard sayings for everyone without violence.

You may just have questions, I have some hard sayings, and without violence.
And that is a good thing! A very great and guiding experience for me was the day I encountered Mathew 5 The Sermon On the Mount and read these words ( You Have Heard It Said ). The Spirit is even more exacting than the letter and demands of me Humility in all of the considerations it prompts. BTW I just today came across a book that I in fact have ordered about the history of The Pharisees and Saducees by Ken Johnson The Ancient Dead Sea Scrolls Calendar. Contained in it is the history of how they got off track and where and when. Their apostasy and the resulting reaction creating The Essene's sect that broke away from them. I'm just offering the information if you choose to explore it.
 
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