Married spiritually but not legally

[Brother-Paul]

To be legal for claiming tax relief or benefits a marriage licence is required but God doesn't require that though.

That is the system today Pearl, it wasn't like that from the beginning, it wasn't like that in Jesus time, it wasn't like that up to less than 100 years ago.

The system has become warped, twisted and abused sister.

Shalom

 

[PearlB]

That is the system today Pearl, it wasn't like that from the beginning, it wasn't like that in Jesus time, it wasn't like that up to less than 100 years ago.

The system has become warped, twisted and abused sister.

Shalom

I already posted this to Sue D so perhaps you missed it:

Were Adam and Eve married legally? Did they make vows before a celebrant? Did their offspring? No, of course they didn't but they were married in the real sense of the word and blessed by God and told to go forth and multiply. God is still the same today, he hasn't changed.

I believe in two people committing to each other in a traditional marriage ceremony but I also believe that if they are committed then it is not a sin if they don't.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I already posted this to Sue D so perhaps you missed it:

Were Adam and Eve married legally? Did they make vows before a celebrant? Did their offspring? No, of course they didn't but they were married in the real sense of the word and blessed by God and told to go forth and multiply. God is still the same today, he hasn't changed.

I believe in two people committing to each other in a traditional marriage ceremony but I also believe that if they are committed then it is not a sin if they don't.

I understand your point fully Pearl, I posted earlier in the thread, exactly what you say here, but they were the only two humans on earth at that time.

Marriage certification came in later through the law, through Moses, followed by divorce certification.

When Jesus came to earth, he came to bring salvation to the Jews, we know the rest regarding that, but he also came to correct errors in the Jewish thinking, did he not?

As we know from the Gospel accounts, the Pharisee's tried to trick Jesus, regarding the certificate of divorce, you cannot have a certificate of divorce without a certificate of marriage, what did Jesus say? It wasn't like that from the beginning, Moses allowed a certificate of divorce due to the sinfulness of the people.

Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding feast at Canaan in Galilee, there was ample opportunity at that time to correct any wrongs, he didn't, he used the situation of the wedding to compare it to the Church, that is the ekklesia, not the congregation of saved and unsaved souls. And what an beautiful example he gave, he compared the wedding feast of the day to himself as the groom and the church, the ekklesia, as his bride.

So, I see a number of important factors here.

1 - We must not take pieces of scripture to fit our views, we are to see God's view from His Word.

2 - We must not take everything in the OT as Gospel, I say that reverently, all scripture is God breathed, allow me to add more to explain this...

a) - The OT is God's Word to all generation, to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles

b) - Because Jesus came to correct the wrongs of the Jews, we must read what Jesus in the NT says, if it agrees it is correct, if it disagrees we are to 'listen to Jesus and take note' Something the Jews stubbornly didn't do.

c) - If we accept every word of the OT, without comparing to find if Jesus condemned their ways or practices, we will end up misinformed, we will end up believing an error.


All scripture is God breathed, but we must listen to Jesus and ask ourselves WWJS, WWJD.

A marriage from Moses' included a certificate of marriage to be lawful in God's eyes.

A marriage in Jesus day, at Canaan in Galilee included

1 - The man asks the woman, will you marry me.
2 - They go to the outskirts of the town/city, where the lawmakers were waiting.
3 - The man offers the woman a drink of wine, today an engagement ring. If she accepts the drink of wine they then consult the lawmaker.
4 - A covenant is prepared, they are legally betrothed to each other, called in those day, married.
5 - The woman would go back home and prepare or have prepared her wedding gown, and lady in waiting or bridesmaids clothing.
6 - The man goes back to HIS FATHER's house, and a room is prepared there for the bride and groom when they come together.
7 - When the Father says, only when the Father says, the son can go get his bride.
8 - They then have a coming together and the wedding feast.

Our Lord Jesus Christ, used a wedding at Canaan in Galilee, to show us, using that procedure, what it is like for the Father in Heaven, Jesus the groom, the church His Bride, the fact he had to go back to his father, for a period, but when the Father says, He the groom, can go get His Bride, the ekklesia.

If there ever was a time for Jesus to say you have got things wrong, it would have been then, and he wouldn't have used the wedding ceremony as an example of His Church and our time together with him in eternity

Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

Caveman style is the best way,? 'You Like'm, You Take'm' Hubba hubba hubba,? And if you "Take'm , you keep'm"

 

[Brother-Paul]

Caveman style is the best way,? 'You Like'm, You Take'm' Hubba hubba hubba,? And if you "Take'm , you keep'm"

Show me that in scripture brother, taking into consideration what Jesus said about it.

To much TV I think PloughBoy --- Wilmaaaaaaa Yes Fred I coming.

 

[Sue D.]

I already posted this to Sue D so perhaps you missed it:

Were Adam and Eve married legally? Did they make vows before a celebrant? Did their offspring? No, of course they didn't but they were married in the real sense of the word and blessed by God and told to go forth and multiply. God is still the same today, he hasn't changed.

I believe in two people committing to each other in a traditional marriage ceremony but I also believe that if they are committed then it is not a sin if they don't.

Well -- if what "I" believe doesn't match up with what God's Word says -- then I need to go with God's Word.

Probably enough said on the subject.

 

[PloughBoy]

Show me that in scripture brother, taking into consideration what Jesus said about it.

To much TV I think PloughBoy --- Wilmaaaaaaa Yes Fred I coming.

Better than the fairy tails of most, if many can believe and teach that, the "Holy Scripture" teaches that Angels came down from heaven and Had sex with women and they had babies

I know I can use common sense, to relate to a cave man style of Matrimony, of a fallen creature, who had Full Blown "Testosterone" pumping through HIS Veins! Within a world with no pollutants or smoke in the air and His vision is a perfect 20/20, all of his senses is in a "Heighten" state, which has been Motivated
by a "Divine" Command of GOD. "Be Fruitful and Multiply" and FILLED The Earth! One Look at HER, Heath start pounding in his chest "BOOM BOOM BOOM, and he commence to " 'Stuttering, sweating", "Me Tarzan, you Jane"! [meaning I am The King of Jungle"]. This Creature is a fallen creature, and He knows he is not the only Male around, For by that time, "Cain's" boys might be in the area! And there are No LAWs , if there are ,"No one has the power to keep them if they are. For they are "sinners" "You keep what you find", [He who finds a wive, finds a good Thing]

Corruption on the Earth (Genesis 6)BSB
"Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they TOOK as wives whomever they chose. [Whomever := and How Many THEY Wanted] There was no "Sheriff" of "Hunting Forrest" back then.

They only had Big men who were Mighty and strong, Giants who was Honorable men and renown, [Maybe that is where we got our "Amazon Women", for maybe they were their Daddies] Big and Beautiful and Strong for the Battle

Note: for a flash, and at certain times.
American Standard Version(Judges 17)
"In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes."

Judges 19:1
"Now in those days, when there was no king in Israel, a Levite who lived in the remote hill country of Ephraim took for himself a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah"

But let it be known here, i am relating before the Law of God was given. The portion of the text from the book of "Judges" is a different matter, that must be a matter of "grace" that have to be discuss in another Thread.

When GOD made "woman" he made man's heart go "Pitter Patter" and Adam viewed her, at 1st sight as her hair, blew in the wind, I imagine he might have said:
"WHOA man" And before the Day was over, when she got through with him. He forgot all about GOD! That is why He told GOD, It was that "Woman" you gave me! He did not lie, he told the truth! "Hubba Hubba"!

 

[PloughBoy]

 

[Brother-Paul]

Greeting @PloughBoy

My comment was not a fairy tale my friend, fairy tales are, Once upon a time and happily ever after. The Bible I guess could be made to fit this but that is not God's plan it would be more human intervention.

What I put in response to your comment...

Caveman style is the best way,? 'You Like'm, You Take'm' Hubba hubba hubba,? And if you "Take'm , you keep'm"

Was, 'To much TV I think PloughBoy --- Wilmaaaaaaa Yes Fred I coming.'

Which is a cartoon. Caveman style.

In my past I was a hard hearted, selfish, foul, sinner, women were not as I call them now 'someone's loved one'.

I cannot repeat what I used to think except there were four words, the first find em, the last forget em.

That was as near caveman style as I got, but I never dragged them by the hair. What a sick, sinful, wicked, hard hearted world we live in, thank God for Jesus and the Holy Spirit who brought me to my knees.

To consider anything about women, caveman style or similar, is NOT what Jesus teaches us, you know that brother.

Jesus said 'love one another as I have loved you. Did Jesus drag anyone caveman style? Certainly not.

I have mentioned this before, I would like to add it again now if I may, thank you. Jesus came to bring Salvation, to the Jews first then to the Gentiles. Jesus also came to confirm the errors of the Jews and the errors of the Pharisees and their practices. LOVE was number one on the list, which as we know comes from the Father in Heaven. When reading the OT, I believe, we should bear in mind at all times, Jesus gave corrects, he highlighted errors. We must take the OT as it is, God's Word, but also check the NT so see if Jesus as corrected any errors we are reading. If we don't, we will end up believing their errors. The OT, as we know is a record of the Jews, the Chosen ones, who were to be an example to 'the world'. But they failed through sin, error after error is recorded, but if we do not know what is right, what Jesus taught, we will believe the OT as Gospel, the Gospel is only in the NT, it is the Good News of Salvation, God's Love for mankind and the effects of sin.

Love one another, if someone smacks your right cheek offer the left, women are to submit to their husbands who is head of the family, but pulling of hair is not acceptable because, men are to respect their wives also. Eph 5; 1 Peter 3.

Which is right with Jesus brother? Cave man style or Jesus style?

 

[PloughBoy]

Greeting @PloughBoy

My comment was not a fairy tale my friend, fairy tales are, Once upon a time and happily ever after. The Bible I guess could be made to fit this but that is not God's plan it would be more human intervention.

What I put in response to your comment...




Was, 'To much TV I think PloughBoy --- Wilmaaaaaaa Yes Fred I coming.'

Which is a cartoon. Caveman style.

In my past I was a hard hearted, selfish, foul, sinner, women were not as I call them now 'someone's loved one'.

I cannot repeat what I used to think except there were four words, the first find em, the last forget em.

That was as near caveman style as I got, but I never dragged them by the hair. What a sick, sinful, wicked, hard hearted world we live in, thank God for Jesus and the Holy Spirit who brought me to my knees.

To consider anything about women, caveman style or similar, is NOT what Jesus teaches us, you know that brother.

Jesus said 'love one another as I have loved you. Did Jesus drag anyone caveman style? Certainly not.

I have mentioned this before, I would like to add it again now if I may, thank you. Jesus came to bring Salvation, to the Jews first then to the Gentiles. Jesus also came to confirm the errors of the Jews and the errors of the Pharisees and their practices. LOVE was number one on the list, which as we know comes from the Father in Heaven. When reading the OT, I believe, we should bear in mind at all times, Jesus gave corrects, he highlighted errors. We must take the OT as it is, God's Word, but also check the NT so see if Jesus as corrected any errors we are reading. If we don't, we will end up believing their errors. The OT, as we know is a record of the Jews, the Chosen ones, who were to be an example to 'the world'. But they failed through sin, error after error is recorded, but if we do not know what is right, what Jesus taught, we will believe the OT as Gospel, the Gospel is only in the NT, it is the Good News of Salvation, God's Love for mankind and the effects of sin.

Love one another, if someone smacks your right cheek offer the left, women are to submit to their husbands who is head of the family, but pulling of hair is not acceptable because, men are to respect their wives also. Eph 5; 1 Peter 3.

Which is right with Jesus brother? Cave man style or Jesus style?

No "Brother -Paul" I was not referring to you concerning "Fairy Tales", but to those who took the right to address the word, "Nephilim" having something to do with "angels" coming down and having sex with women.

If they have taken on the right to proclaim such nonsense. There is nothing wrong with me, proclaiming a "caveman mentality" of early Humanity, before a developing world existed. A world that did not know their "Left hand from their right" a world that could not count the toes on their feet. But they could, take what they wanted, and most men in that time period, picked "Jane" up, 'strap her across his shoulders and "Toted" her home! Then once they became more "Civilize" they introduce "Trade" Two goats, and a donkey. Would get you the "Queen of Sheba"

"Samson: told His "Mama and Daddy":
1And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines. 2And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: Now therefore get her for me to wife. 3Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well. 4But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines: for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel.

Just because He got her, did not mean he was going to be "Happy"! Remember "Michal", King David 1st wife, he was crazy about her. And do you remember how he got her and why was she given to him by her daddy:

17Saul said to David, “Here is my older daughter Merab. I will give her to you in marriage; only serve me bravely and fight the battles of the Lord.” For Saul said to himself, “I will not raise a hand against him. Let the Philistines do that!”

18But David said to Saul, “Who am I, and what is my family or my clan in Israel, that I should become the king’s son-in-law?” 19So when the time came for Merab, Saul’s daughter, to be given to David, she was given in marriage to Adriel of Meholah.

20Now Saul’s daughter Michal was in love with David, and when they told Saul about it, he was pleased. 21“I will give her to him,” he thought, “so that she may be a snare to him and so that the hand of the Philistines may be against him.” So Saul said to David, “Now you have a second opportunity to become my son-in-law.” ["Michal was a little Hottie"]

22Then Saul ordered his attendants: “Speak to David privately and say, ‘Look, the king likes you, and his attendants all love you; now become his son-in-law.’ ”

23They repeated these words to David. But David said, “Do you think it is a small matter to become the king’s son-in-law? I’m only a poor man and little known.”

24When Saul’s servants told him what David had said, 25Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’ ” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines.

26When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, 27David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.

28When Saul realized that the Lord was with David and that his daughter Michal loved David, 29Saul became still more afraid of him, and he remained his enemy the rest of his days.

Why Most christians use westernization as the norm for Marriages as a example of a "Biblical" one. In terms I would believe is "anti-biblical". The way of Westernization. Even christians praise the "marriage of Esther" who married a "pagan" King" who would kill her if she did not do what He says! And she would not even try to save her own people if Her own uncle "Mortdecai' had not convince her, if she didn't , she would not escape the blade herself, because she was a "Jew" too! She Married a Pagan adulterer, who had cast away His wife for not doing what he said.

I am sorry most christians puzzles the heck out of me, for some of the things they praise and worship. It is like we are not reading the same Book and on a different planet.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Greeting brother,

Thanks for the explanation, you did concern me with the fairy tales and Flintstonian comments.

I understand your frustrations regarding some of the comments, I think this could be down to the fact we get young or very young saved souls, as well about souks on here. Some of the young souls jump in with what they think or what they have heard, some could be on just to stir a reaction. This is the. problem with forums my friend, we don't see the faces, we don't meet weekly, face to face we would soon suss them out, in love guide them, or rebuke them as necessary. I know you know what I am saying, we just git to be wise my friend, ow to rise to the bait.

As for the OT scripture, what I see is so common brother, SIN, SIN, SIN.

God as we know, chose the Jews to be an example to the world, how they let him down, over and over again. The OT is an example to mankind, what God intended and how they chose SIN, the world and the devil. They had the option of paradise on earth, obeying God and abundant blessings, but they chose idols and the things God warned them against.

This is why I say on here, don't take everything in the OT as Gospel, understand God's commands and plan for the Jews in the OT, but be careful taking all the Jews did as God's will.

Yeshua came to the Jews first, he was their promised one, their Messiah and what happened, he constantly corrected their errors. When readying about the Jews in the OT we must look to Jesus and see what he told them was right or wrong, use the latter. Then compare what Jesus taught about the errors of the Jews, some directly, some indirectly. If we don't we will end up, not just saying, it says this in the OT, it is in the Bible, it must be right a d missing totally the fact Jesus condemned them for their sinful acts.

WWJD, WWDS extremely valuable considerations for every saved soul.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- you last comment in your last post. You are also a great puzzlement to some of us, me, too. Same Bible -- but seems like world's apart.

 

[PloughBoy]

Why the writing of The Old Testament:
( 1 Cor. 10).
1For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.” a 8We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9We should not test Christ, b as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

11These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13No temptation c has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted d beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, e he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.


Warnings of The New Testament is a case of "Divine Love" which was displayed, and the main sounds of the Old testament. A revelation of what it is to come. And More severe in the NT that what is to occurred. The Prophets Prophesies of impending Doom, came True, Now The Prophet John the Baptist, impending Doom will be too, As well as The Prophesies of Jesus impending Doom we also come True, The Granddaddy of Prophesies of Impending Doom. More deadly than all of the OT Catastrophes combine, Is The proclamation of "Jesus Christ". It will Come to pass.

American Standard Version (John the baptist said):
He said therefore to the multitudes that went out to be baptized of him, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

(Matthew 11)BSB
20Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. 21“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.

23And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to heaven? No, you will be brought down to Hades! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. 24But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

Examples, examples, but let our use and vision of the Biblical examples be true. And not how we want them to be, and viewed.

 

[backNforth]

"We all must obey the laws of the land" repeated over and over and over...

There's the problem, the double mindedness.

"We all must obey the laws of the land." Yes, that is true. But the law of the land is not man's law, it is God's Law, which is the Supreme Law of the land, and the basis of all law in America. Anybody that believes that the Law of God and the law of the land are separate, they've deluded themselves. That's not living in the truth, that's living in an image of someone else's idea. Is there any law that man can create which sets the bounds of God's Law?

You will render to the authority that you have submitted to.

You hear the phrase, "The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land." That's not what the Word of God says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Did the Constitution create the heaven and the earth? So how could it be the law of the land? Only He who creates, God, is the Law of the land. "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist" (Colossians 1:17). Christ is before the Constitution, and by Jesus, not the Constitution, all things consist.

John 1:3, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

All things were created by Him and for Him, not "by the people, and for the people" (Democracy); not for our enjoyment, not for our wants. We were created for God.

The sole purpose of constitutions is to free human beings from God's Law in order to chain them to the morality of the State dictated in its codes, rules, regulations, ordinances, statutes, public policies, executive orders, laws, etc. All constitutions were created by the fallen reason of the natural man, and are molded by the "reasonable interpretation" of human beings wearing black robes. Private rights are always weighed against the greater public good and are regulated by the "police power".

Those who thus rely upon the words of any constitution for support are leaning upon a broken reed; and their sense of security is a false one. The Constitution does not protect persons or property against unjust invasion, or prevent government control and regulation of business. After all, this depends on the interpretations and applications of the courts. Constitutional law is the morality of fascism and comes from the vain imaginations of men. It is a code, rule, or regulation for the dead thing it brings into being. Corporations are dead, at law. The United States is a Federal corporation. Thus, the United States is a dead thing.

“We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is.” Charles Evans Hughes, Supreme Court Justice, in Dictionary of American Maxims (1955), p. 88.

 

[Sue D.]

@backNforth -- just sharing what God's Word says. And we Do have Romans 13:1-7 "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
vs 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinances of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves." etc.

Not sure exactly What you're saying.

 

[backNforth]

Okay, Sue D., thanks for the fair response.

When scripture speaks of obeying and submitting ourselves to those who have the rule over us, God's word is not talking about heathen governments, but those "rulers" within Jesus Christ's assembly. Notice carefully this verse says these rulers "watch for your souls." Governments of men cannot govern or watch for anyone's souls, for they can only govern outward acts, not the inward being. But true spiritual leaders do watch for our souls

Those who "have the rule over you" at Hebrews 13:17 is specifically defined a few verses earlier in Hebrews 13:7, "Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation."

As we can see, scripture itself defines these "rulers" as those who speak the word of God and have faith. Conversely, secular governments avoid, and often forbid, speaking the word of God within their system through outlawing prayer in their schools and replacing it with such unrighteousness as "the theory of evolution," and by taking down the "Ten Commandments" from their courtrooms. These are not the rulers we are to submit to.

In Romans 13, does verse 1 say, "let every soul be subject unto all governments"? Or does it say, "let every soul (including governing authorities such as kings, judges, police, etc.) be subject unto the Higher Power"? Who do souls belong to? God says:

Ezekiel 18:4, "Behold, all souls are mine."

And the second part of verse 1 tells us Who the Higher Power is: "...For there is no power but of God."

The souls of the governmental powers belong to God, and they are not the higher powers, the higher powers are held by Christ himself (Matthew 28:18). Is our Lord not the higher power, then, if all power has been committed unto him (John 17:2)? Christ is the governor among the nations (Psalms 22:28). All power over earthly kings has been given unto Him (Romans 14:9). All judgment has been given unto Him (John 5:22,27). Notice the separation of Power in Romans 13:1. All power comes from, and belongs to, God (Psalm 62:11) and not the one exercising it. And remember that most men, especially those constituting the "governing authorities," usually deny that power given to Jesus (2 Timothy 3:5).

See why the majority today are in such a pickle?

 

[Sue D.]

At Bible study last evening, the comment was made that God Does put his chosen people in office for His reasons. And that Maybe this present administration is being allowed to wake us up. What really is important to Us -- as we the people. This country has had really good leadership and really Poor leadership.

In rereading that Romans 13 passage -- I don't see an 'exclusion' clause. Look at those 1st two verses. vs 2 "Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinances of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

It Kind of sounds like -- the way in which You want to interpret Scripture.

We find it easy to obey laws / rules that we agree with, but Not so much when we Don't agree.

Kind of like traffic laws. They are in place to prevent chaos on our streets, highways. Okay -- so once in a while we're in a Hurry -- no traffic in our way -- so we Speed. Not hurting anyone. But then there's that pesky high way patrol who came up 'out of nowhere'. And we get stopped and have to pay that speeding ticket. So -- IF we'd obeyed the law, we would Not have gotten stopped. And had a fine to pay.

And, yes, God IS the One who Does put these people / ruling powers / in their places. For Us to follow. Now -- If a law is passed that goes Against God's Word -- Then what. Well -- we Can protest Peacefully. We CAN go ahead and ignore and get put in jail. So -- we have our jail ministry. Witness to the person in the cell next to us. Or the person who's our jail roommate. But be prepared for getting beat up or laughed at Or Maybe even Listened to.

How many people had been killed for their stand For Jesus Christ -- they pass Peacefully instead of 'kickin and screaming' and their captors can't understand it. That has brought people to Christ -- will people see Christ in us even in the worse of circumstances?

 

[B-A-C]

In rereading that Romans 13 passage -- I don't see an 'exclusion' clause. Look at those 1st two verses. vs 2 "Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinances of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

It Kind of sounds like -- the way in which You want to interpret Scripture.

We find it easy to obey laws / rules that we agree with, but Not so much when we Don't agree.

I take it you'll be receiving the mark of the beast? But I do agree people should be legally married.

 

[Sue D.]

@ B-A-C -- And WHY would I be receiving the mark of the beast / 666 ?!

 

[B-A-C]

@ B-A-C -- And WHY would I be receiving the mark of the beast / 666 ?!

You said there is no excuse for not doing what the government tells us to do.