Masturbation

[Fenn]

Do i eat food to please God? Not really, i eat food because that is what my body desires to do and eating is not a sin, unless i eat something that causes another person to stumble then that eating becomes sinful. Do i masturbate to please God? Not really, i masturbate because that is what the body i am in desires to do when it needs it. And i do not lust at all, nor think any unclean thing, nor unpure thing, nor do i think of sex at all. But everything i do is in Him, and i mean everything. i do nothing to displease Him. NOTHING. not that i am bragging, but to witness that it is possible, i tell you this. i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sin whatsoever that is against Christ. I do all things to please Him.

1) You cannot say that you do all things to please Him when you have just listed some three things that you admit to doing for your flesh and not in order to please God.
2) You say that you should not eat certain foods around certain people for it may cause them to stumble and this would be a sin. Would it not also be sin to promote un-lusting masturbation around those who admit to strugging? I doubt for those who are struggling that it is possible even at this point to do so without lust, so I ask why bring up this point around those who have issues?
I would not talk about drinking responsibly around those who have an issue with drinking, whether they consider drinking to be a sin (for it may cause them to stumble) or whether they have an addiction to it and so think they can control it when for that person they must flee it completely.
3) You say that you masturbate to please God because you are thankful for it and yet you do not eat to please Him, even though it is one of the most common things among believers to pray a thankful prayer to God before eating. I think that this may be you trying to find something good in a fleshly thing.

I cannot say what your intentions are because I am not 100% sure on all scripture. I trust the Lord and I have a strong conviction that this is a wrong thing to do and I have never had issue with it. I say this not to boast, but to boast in what God has done for me. He has protected me from a young age and I do believe if we choose to flee the temptations he will help us. As those who have posted earlier scripture to the point of God leaving us a way out of temptation.

Psalm 119 KJV
105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Also, to note:
134 Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.

From Psalm 119 also. This shows that David realized he had issues to deal with and turned to God for them. He also failed many times and was able to repent and become right with God again.

 

[BrittaMerry]

Hello...I am new on here, and i don't want to get in the middle of this little debate. But i've had my wonderings about masturbation as well. The conclusion i've come to within myself is that it is a sin if you are thinking lustful, sexual thoughts. If you are not, it is not a sin. The Scriptures never say that masturbation in and of itself is wrong. But isn't the whole point of it to sexually stimluate and pleasure yourself? That....is wrong. Because God's word says that any HINT of sexual immorality is wrong. I'm not condemning you because i myself struggle with masturbation on a very regular basis! But that's what i think i've decided concerning it....I think that there are times where it wouldn't be wrong, if you were ENTIRELY free of any sexual thoughts. And it was only for relaxation and/or pleasure. But how likely is that to happen? Just my thoughts about it.

 

[steflou64]

I tend to agree with you, Disciple Dave. I was told it is not a sin if it is done without lustful thoughts. I am a never married 50 year old virgin (not dating anyone now). I don't see how single people (especially men as they have more testosterone) can live and NOT masturbate some! It would drive someone crazy!!

 

[Kuwabarra]

I can't speak for others, but it can be a problem, and addicting. It can get even worse in more ways than just lusting after others. Like I said I can't speak for others as this may not apply to most. I look at it like this. Bring your body into submission, don't let it bring you into submission. I feel it is a desire of the flesh. Sure we can't be perfect, but you're suppose to strive to be perfect. Again the simple question arises "what would jesus do"? We are supposed to follow Jesus's example, and teachings. I'm sure he never took time "in this way" to "gratify" himself.... Save it for your spouse.

It's hard, and especially at first, but work towards abstinence from this. At least that's what I'm trying to do. Another way to look at it is do you think you would do this in heaven? I know the world is not perfect, but in a perfect world we would not do this. Would we even have sex in a perfect world?

 

[B-A-C]

Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

1 Cor 6:18; Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.
1 Cor 6:19; Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
1 Cor 6:20; For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body

1 Cor 7:1; Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
1 Cor 7:2; But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.
1 Cor 7:3; The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
1 Cor 7:4; The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
1 Cor 7:5; Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

I don't believe sex is a sin.

Heb 13:4; Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Gen 1:27; God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28; God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Personally I don't even believe all lust is a sin. I think it's OK to lust a little for your wife or husband. It's hard not to read certain verses in the Bible and
think there was some lust involved. The Song of Solomon has several of these verses.

Song 1:4; "Draw me after you and let us run together! The king has brought me into his chambers." "We will rejoice in you and be glad; We will extol your love more than wine. Rightly do they love you."
Song 1:9; "To me, my darling, you are like My mare among the chariots of Pharaoh.
Song 1:10; "Your cheeks are lovely with ornaments, Your neck with strings of beads."

Song 1:15; "How beautiful you are, my darling, How beautiful you are! Your eyes are like doves."
Song 1:16; "How handsome you are, my beloved, And so pleasant! Indeed, our couch is luxuriant!

Song 2:2; "Like a lily among the thorns, So is my darling among the maidens."
Song 2:3; "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, So is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, And his fruit was sweet to my taste.
Song 2:4; "He has brought me to his banquet hall, And his banner over me is love.
Song 2:5; "Sustain me with raisin cakes, Refresh me with apples, Because I am lovesick.
Song 2:6; "Let his left hand be under my head And his right hand embrace me."

Song 2:14; "O my dove, in the clefts of the rock, In the secret place of the steep pathway, Let me see your form, Let me hear your voice; For your voice is sweet, And your form is lovely."

Song 3:1; "On my bed night after night I sought him Whom my soul loves; I sought him but did not find him.
Song 3:2; 'I must arise now and go about the city; In the streets and in the squares I must seek him whom my soul loves.' I sought him but did not find him.

Song 4:1; "How beautiful you are, my darling, How beautiful you are! Your eyes are like doves behind your veil; Your hair is like a flock of goats That have descended from Mount Gilead.
Song 4:2; "Your teeth are like a flock of newly shorn ewes Which have come up from their washing, All of which bear twins, And not one among them has lost her young.
Song 4:3; "Your lips are like a scarlet thread, And your mouth is lovely. Your temples are like a slice of a pomegranate Behind your veil.
Song 4:4; "Your neck is like the tower of David, Built with rows of stones On which are hung a thousand shields, All the round shields of the mighty men.
Song 4:5; "Your two breasts are like two fawns, Twins of a gazelle Which feed among the lilies.

..and so on...

 

[Lanolin]

Jesus says we arent given to marriage in heaven and will be as angels. He was talking to the saducees about this.

Lust is a different thing to love.

If you are married you are supposed to love and cherish your wife not lust for her. Song of solomon I not about lust the beauty of the poetry is about someones tender admiration for her beloved. This is the opposite of lust which is selfishly and agressively going after desires without thought for the other person..ie what would please them.

Men think that they may be doing something that pleases a woman but actually they are physically hurting them and ignoring them or being too rough. Many men think wrongly if a woman says no they mean yes. No woman wants to be treated in this manner but certainly some have made a profession of it and can make money from it.

 

[Trinity]

My view on this has one exception to what has been written and backed by scripture. As a Counselor, I have counseled women who are unable to achieve orgasm during intercourse with their husbands. In fact, 80% of women do not achieve orgasm during sexual intercourse with their husbands, according to the Psychology Today 2016 report. In this instance, if masturbation is a shared sexual action between husband and wife so that she may derive the same pleasure as her husband, and maintain clean thoughts in the process, I see no harm here.

I have often heard men in Counseling regarding this issue for their wives, as saying "she" should just enjoy sex without orgasm because it satisfies me and makes me happy. That attitude makes the action of "making love" just a "sex" action that satisfies only one spouse, nothing more. It is also a very selfish standard for a husband to take.

Obviously, single men and women have a physical and spiritual struggle on their hands. One being that the media shouts distorted sexual ideas out at every corner. The other, is the delayed marriage age that began in the 60's and 70's. In Biblical times, it was very normal for a 13-14 year old girl to marry, about the time of hormonal changes. I realize that this is unacceptable in today's world, however when our son married at age 19 and had remained pure until his marriage, we were pleased, not discouraged at his youth. He is now 26 years old, still very happily married. His wife has graduated from College as a Nurse during their marriage and they have two son's since their marriage. So being younger, may not be such a bad idea for marriage; although this goes completely against the "way of the world" today that clamours for College education first and placing young people closer to 25 before considering marriage. Hence, the issue many young single people find themselves in this post. Trinity

 

[septorator]

Hello there, " judgement " and all. Everyone seems really committed to the subject. I do not have much intimacy that I wish to share, but I would like to comment about the Bible.

I see that you deeply have taken the time to study the Bible. You place great faith and much thought process into the observation of the “ context “ of what the verse is saying in relation to the subject of the meaning of the context.

I read the portion where you mentioned in Genesis 38 - where Onan " ruined " or “ corrupted “ his seed that was supposed to be used to the creating of a son in this sacred act of intercourse with his brother's widowed wife. And You were right - The very Hebrew word that the translators are claiming is - “ spilled “ is not ever used again in the translation as the word “ spilled " - it is not used in any other verse in the entire translation. The Hebrew word is < " Destroyed " or " Corrupted " - a total of 145 times in the Old Testament and one single time it is used to say “ spilled “ This word is - 7843 שָׁחַת Shâchath / Shaw-khath' .

Gods plan for marriage as established in the Law - was that when your brother dies, you had the option or choice to possibly marry his wife in order to pass down and preserve a shared family inheritance between the living brother and a new son that they may both conceive.. As explained in Deu 25:5,6,7 The wife of the dead shall not marry outside to a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her... the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. :7 If the man desire not to take his brother's wife... he is not mandated to marry her.

Onan broke the law by committing, pledging and agreeing to participate in a sacred marriage plan and he engaged in sexual intercourse with her - but he was deceptive and untruthful and he lied. Onan Committed to the marriage and agreed and went into Her and had sex with her but pulled out during intercourse and wasted and corrupted His own seed onto the ground. But the law of God designed this marriage plan with this obligation and requirement and Onan refused and broke his word and very vow that he had pledged and agreed to – in marrying her to share an inheritance with her and her eldest son. He defrauded and cheated his own brother and the widowed wife out of the inheritance and birthright and simply and solely was using the woman for sex and he did it deliberately and purposefully – just to use her for sexual gratification alone. – and not treating her as family or even with dignity – as he would the rest of his real wives. Onan should have chosen not to marry His brother's wife and let her marry someone who would bring Her a seed and inheritance.

Also " / " - I noticed that You had mentioned the subject of homosexuality and we know that according to the Bible and The Law Of God - the act of Homosexuality ( homosexual sex ) - is considered so wrong, so perverted and evil. I found that that this sexual act is never, ever even once used by God when SYMBOLICALLY, comparing the acts of spiritual perversion to the acts of this homosexual act

But Even bestiality is used as a symbolic metaphor when God symbolically compares the wrong doings of people who disobeyed Him. As we see here in Eze 23:19 - Yet she ( Israel ) multiplied her whoredoms, ... and played the harlot in the land of Egypt. “20 For she doted upon their concubines, whose flesh is as the flesh of donkeys, and whose fluids / issues are like the issue ( gushing of fluid / SEMEN ) - of horses. - - Sexual sins of adultery and fornication are all widely used in the Bible to symbolize in metaphors as = the acts of disobedience to God - as if one is committing adultery against God - by disobeying Him. Even bestiality is used as an example but Pedophilia and Homosexuality are two of the sexual sins that God never ever uses in symbolic meanings to compare the sins of disobedience to God.

Self - sexual gratification perhaps was not that high up on the list – but the idea did cross my mind when I saw this forum - of - what if God does indeed hate the acts of self-gratification - as such an evil horrible sin - to never use it in a symbolic metaphor or analogy to compare to spiritual sin. What if it is not even very high up on the list at whatsoever ? Perhaps it depends on the specific situation and the circumstances. ?