No commandments greater than these. How?

[At Peace]

Yea right. Paul did not want to have the followers of Jesus killed, and he felt really bad when they were! Right?

He did while he followed the Mosaic Law that prescribed death for heretics like Stephen.
But that was before he was "freed from the law of sin and death." Freed from the "law of sin in his members".
In Christ, he had found the way to do good when he wanted to and to resist evil when he wanted to.
Thanks be to God for supplying us all with that "way".

 

[At Peace]

What does the scriptures say?

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

AMEN!
Thanks be to God for His amazing grace!
And thanks be to God for allowing us a way to "be in Christ" at our baptism into Him so many years after the fact.

 

[At Peace]

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

I guess that means you are not going to "get along to your rebirth".
Are you just not interested in walking in the Spirit, or are you just so happy walking in the flesh that you have no inclination to leave it?

 

[Curtis]

When they quit sinning, they quit being a slave to sin.
When a man quits smoking, he quits being a slave to nicotine..
When he quits telling lies, he quits being a liar.
When he quits steeling, he quits being a thief.

Doesn't that satisfy your definition of "repent"?

No, it does not. Just because someone decides not to sin, or not letting the works of the flesh to operated within them means nothing, which is why the Apostle Paul said.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

This can only happen after a "sinner" becomes born again by the Holy Spirit. A sinner does NOT stop sinning first and then get saved, he get saved while he is still a sinner!!!!!

You on the other hand do not believe this. You think you stop sinning first, and then get saved which is total lie!!!

 

[Curtis]

We decide if we will be honored as "chosen".[/QUOTE]

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.[/QUOTE]

 

[Curtis]

But that was before he was "freed from the law of sin and death." Freed from the "law of sin in his members".

If Paul was not free from the law of sin and death then he would not care if he did wrong by allowing Christians from being murdered!! It was NOT until Paul was born again that he saw another law working in his members (flesh)
that needed to be dealt with by the Holy Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[At Peace]

What does the scriptures say?

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I guess, as I cant really understand you here this time, you do believe there will be liars and thieves among the chosen.
I disagree.

 

[At Peace]

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

So which will you chose?

 

[At Peace]

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

That worked well for the first apostles, even though one of them CHOSE to leave.

 

[Curtis]

That worked well for the first apostles, even though one of them CHOSE to leave.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

 

[Curtis]

I guess, as I cant really understand you here this time, you do believe there will be liars and thieves among the chosen.
I disagree.

Lets just say, nobody stops sinning first and then God decides to save them. God saved man even when he was still in his sins. If this is the case, and it is, then what did God use to determine who to save?
God saved man based on his foreknowledge of what he knew man would chose before the foundation of the world!

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[At Peace]

Lets just say, nobody stops sinning first and then God decides to save them. God saved man even when he was still in his sins. If this is the case, and it is, then what did God use to determine who to save?
God saved man based on his foreknowledge of what he knew man would chose before the foundation of the world!
:

Will God "save" those who continue to disobey Him?

 

[Dave M]

Will God "save" those who continue to disobey Him?

Hey @Curtis maybe you could tell us the difference between living a life of sin, meaning practicing sin as a lifestyle, and stumbling in sin because of our flesh. What I mean is a born again does not go on practicing sin, yet we are still sinners because of our flesh, just looking for better words or better explanation. I mean there is a change that takes place but for most it is a gradual change I know Peice said his was instant

I know you are not promoting sin and at all so just trying to get more clarity on the subject

thanks

 

[Curtis]

Hey @Curtis maybe you could tell us the difference between living a life of sin, meaning practicing sin as a lifestyle, and stumbling in sin because of our flesh. What I mean is a born again does not go on practicing sin, yet we are still sinners because of our flesh, just looking for better words or better explanation. I mean there is a change that takes place but for most it is a gradual change I know Peice said his was instant

I know you are not promoting sin and at all so just trying to get more clarity on the subject

thanks

Any person who becomes "born again" is just like physical birth. Babies do not know anything about the world in which they live. They are constantly falling down, and hurting themselves. No body is born a full grown man. The Bible describes in many places about growing in the Lord and in power of his might. Going from drinking milk to eating meat takes a long time. Some who have been saved for decades are still needing the milk of the word. Wisdom, which is understanding is essential to spiritual growth. How can a man cleanse his way?

Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

I did not know anything about the Word of God when I was first saved. All I knew was "Jesus loves me yes I know for the Bible tells me so"
It has taken many years of fellowship with God, and him teaching me his ways to get where I am now. Am I perfect? Nope. Do I sometimes stagger, and fall? Yep. No one is without sin in this life. Only Jesus could ever claim that, in fact Jesus said to one person, "why are you calling me good, there is no one good except for God"

The Bible describes that "if we would walk in the light as he is in the light we will have fellowship with one another and, the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from all sin"
That does not mean we don't have sin, it means God will cleanse us from sins we do not, have knowledge of!! Just in case we did not understand what he was saying, John in the next verse says. "If we say we have no sin we deceive our self's, and the truth is not in us"
And then in the next verse John says, "If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and then cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

When a Christian begins to grow it is because he is learning from God the Father about God himself. All understanding of the Word of God is about God who is the Word. Learning requires the person to do what he knows to do. If that person does not do what he knows is right that is sin to him.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

When you do not do what is right you will know it. Your heart will condemn you, and that is when you need to confess your sin(s) to God. Christianity is a learning process. You can not do what you don't know.
The greater blessings are on those who know more, but, they also have the greater responsibility to do what they know!

This takes a life time to learn, and there will many falls, but thank God he knew this from the beginning!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

To get back to topic dear brothers.
Tagging the most recent posters..... @At Peace @Curtis @Dave M :smile:

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mark 12:31

How do you love your neighbour as yourself?

How do you know that you are loving your neighbour as yourself?

You may have seen this post in the Prayer Forum:

/www.talkjesus.com/threads/young-mother-terminal-cancer.61501/#post-307573

How would you deal with this?
How would you love?

Lets try and get back on track.

 

[At Peace]

If Paul was not free from the law of sin and death then he would not care if he did wrong by allowing Christians from being murdered!!

Christians were heretics to the Jews.
Their death was according to the law.

It was NOT until Paul was born again that he saw another law working in his members (flesh)
that needed to be dealt with by the Holy Spirit.

That makes sense, as Paul was converted at the time he wrote Romans.
There is no record of when he may have "had the thought" about a law of sin in his members.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

AMEN!
Why do you post this verse while you keep saying we can't do the verse?

 

[At Peace]

Any person who becomes "born again" is just like physical birth. Babies do not know anything about the world in which they live. They are constantly falling down, and hurting themselves. No body is born a full grown man. The Bible describes in many places about growing in the Lord and in power of his might. Going from drinking milk to eating meat takes a long time. Some who have been saved for decades are still needing the milk of the word. Wisdom, which is understanding is essential to spiritual growth. How can a man cleanse his way?

Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

I did not know anything about the Word of God when I was first saved. All I knew was "Jesus loves me yes I know for the Bible tells me so"
It has taken many years of fellowship with God, and him teaching me his ways to get where I am now. Am I perfect? Nope. Do I sometimes stagger, and fall? Yep. No one is without sin in this life. Only Jesus could ever claim that, in fact Jesus said to one person, "why are you calling me good, there is no one good except for God"

The Bible describes that "if we would walk in the light as he is in the light we will have fellowship with one another and, the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from all sin"
That does not mean we don't have sin, it means God will cleanse us from sins we do not, have knowledge of!! Just in case we did not understand what he was saying, John in the next verse says. "If we say we have no sin we deceive our self's, and the truth is not in us"
And then in the next verse John says, "If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and then cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

When a Christian begins to grow it is because he is learning from God the Father about God himself. All understanding of the Word of God is about God who is the Word. Learning requires the person to do what he knows to do. If that person does not do what he knows is right that is sin to him.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

When you do not do what is right you will know it. Your heart will condemn you, and that is when you need to confess your sin(s) to God. Christianity is a learning process. You can not do what you don't know.
The greater blessings are on those who know more, but, they also have the greater responsibility to do what they know!

This takes a life time to learn, and there will many falls, but thank God he knew this from the beginning!

Grape vines cannot bring forth figs.
Neither can those born of God bring forth the devil's fruit.

 

[At Peace]

To get back to topic dear brothers.
How do you love your neighbour as yourself?

If they have a need, fill it to the best of your ability.

How do you know that you are loving your neighbour as yourself?

You won't walk away with a bad conscience.

You may have seen this post in the Prayer Forum:

/www.talkjesus.com/threads/young-mother-terminal-cancer.61501/#post-307573
How would you deal with this?
How would you love?

As you have now met her, why not ask if she needs a babysitter or precooked meal or two?
Maybe a ride to med.appts...or to the store.
Take her shopping list to the store and get what she needs...plus some ice cream.
Mow her yard.
Wash her car.
Clean her windows.
And when she asks you "why are you doing all this for me?"...answer..."Because I'm a Christian, and I treat my neighbors as I want to be treated."

 

[amadeus2]

You can not loose what you did not earn!

Hmmm? Did we earn our natural children? Yet, we too often hear the cries of parents whose children have died while still children?
Have we even been given a fine gift by a dear friend or loved one and in spite of our best efforts to keep it safe, lose it or have it stolen?

 

[amadeus2]

How can a person loose their salvation if whoever is born of God sinneth not for he can not sin because he is born of God?(1 John 3:9)

So then a person who is still sinning, in spite of what he says, is not born of God. Many I believe do not really understand what it means to be born of God but they keep saying that they do because of what some man told them. Have we heard from God lately?