No Human has Gone to Heaven but Jesus!

[B-A-C]

Misuse of 2 Corinthians 4:18​

2 Corinthians 4:18 – “...we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.”

Paul is encouraging believers to focus on eternal hope rather than temporary suffering. This verse does not mean that all physical things are meaningless or that spiritual things are the only things that matter. It’s about perspective, not dismissal of the material world.

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John 1:14 – “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us...”

Jesus didn’t just appear human—He became flesh. His incarnation was essential to redeem humanity.

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Acts 2:31 – “...nor did His flesh suffer decay.”
Psalm 16:10 – “You will not allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.”

Jesus’s body was preserved and glorified, not discarded.

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Luke 24:39 – “...a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Acts 1:11 – “...this Jesus... will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

Jesus’s resurrection and ascension were bodily, and He remains the God-Man forever.

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Colossians 2:9 – “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”

His physical body is not a contradiction to His divinity—it’s a revelation of it.

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Hebrews 1:14 – “Are they not all ministering spirits...”

Angels are explicitly called spirits, distinct from God.

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Ephesians 6:12 – “...against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.”

This includes fallen angels, confirming that spiritual beings exist beyond God alone.

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Psalm 104:4 – “He makes His angels winds, His ministers a flaming fire.”

The Hebrew word for winds (ruach) often means spirits, reinforcing their spiritual nature.

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1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

So which spirit are you of? Do you deny John 1:14?

 

[Garee]

That’s a clear example where the meaning wasn’t hidden—it hit home. They didn’t need spiritual rebirth to grasp that Jesus was rebuking them.

Hi Thanks

I would offer. . the understanding of the parable "whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken' It fell on them, and they wanted to murder the messengers' apostles

They have no understanding of the invisible eternal things of Christ the husband.

Parables where non-sense to them who have no vision from the Emanuel .

Mathew 21:44-46 ;And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.;But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

Your use of a verse that uses the word parable are not the only ones that can be found .That would I believe come from again looking to the temporal historical and not mixing with the unseen things of parables.

Parable as teachers help us to learn how to walk by Christ's faithful the unseen eternal things of Christ
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[Curtis]

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[Bill]

I would ofer.

An entity is something that exists as itself. It does not need to be of material existence.

Ceremonial shadows used in parables which compare the things seen the temporal historical to the unseen eternal invisible according to the recipe. . . .2 Corinthians 4:18

Remember, without parable Christ spoke not hiding the gospel understanding from the god of this world and his followers.

Parables have no spiritual value to the lost. The mysteries of faith the invisible things of Christ they limit the understnding to the things seen the temporal historical. No gospel rest

Did you read anything that B - A - C wrote. All the examples of angels and scripture.

Isn't scripture the thing that you're using is the basis of your proof for all that you say? If this is true then wouldn't angels that are referred to in the scripture also part of that proof? When did it show the proof is already in the scripture? You see your Concepts of angels being something other than what they really are is not even scriptural. Basically the proof is in the pudding or in this case, the proof is in the scripture

 

[Garee]

Did you read anything that B - A - C wrote. All the examples of angels and scripture.

Isn't scripture the thing that you're using is the basis of your proof for all that you say? If this is true then wouldn't angels that are referred to in the scripture also part of that proof? When did it show the proof is already in the scripture? You see your Concepts of angels being something other than what they really are is not even scriptural. Basically the proof is in the pudding or in this case, the proof is in the scripture

Yes, proof is in the scriptures

The Greek word Angelos or Hebrew Malak is "messenger" as in how beatiful are the feet of the apostles shod with the gospel of Christ

.Not the shod with gospel of the apostles (dying mankind). as antichrists another teaching authority other than sola scriptura)

Passed down from the Pharisees with Sadducees worshiping false apostles as if they were our one Holy Father. They tried to make the all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) without effect so they could keep the oral tradition of dying mankind

Acts 24:13-14Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.;But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers,( Not a legion of fathers as if they were one God ) believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

In the 10th century in order to put wings of what is called "patron saints" male and female disembodied gods in the likeness of dying mankind so they could seek after the dead . The living seeking the dead (necromancy) The word Anggelos that sounds like the new word coined angel .. . .a fake word

Its Christ alone that works in us to both reveal his will and empower dying mankind to perform his good works according to his almighty strength

One invisible Faithfull "Let there be" Creator .Not a legion many gods in the likeness of men

1 Samuel 28:13-16;And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth; And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many ( antichrists false prophets false apostles)

I would think God needs no help from the peanut gallery.

 

[Bill]

Yes, proof is in the scriptures

The Greek word Angelos or Hebrew Malak is "messenger" as in how beatiful are the feet of the apostles shod with the gospel of Christ

.Not the shod with gospel of the apostles (dying mankind). as antichrists another teaching authority other than sola scriptura)

Passed down from the Pharisees with Sadducees worshiping false apostles as if they were our one Holy Father. They tried to make the all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) without effect so they could keep the oral tradition of dying mankind

Acts 24:13-14Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.;But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers,( Not a legion of fathers as if they were one God ) believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

In the 10th century in order to put wings of what is called "patron saints" male and female disembodied gods in the likeness of dying mankind so they could seek after the dead . The living seeking the dead (necromancy) The word Anggelos that sounds like the new word coined angel .. . .a fake word

Its Christ alone that works in us to both reveal his will and empower dying mankind to perform his good works according to his almighty strength

One invisible Faithfull "Let there be" Creator .Not a legion many gods in the likeness of men

1 Samuel 28:13-16;And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth; And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many ( antichrists false prophets false apostles)

I would think God needs no help from the peanut gallery.

Including you

 

[Garee]

Including you

Amen we can preach. Christ the husband alone is the infallible interpreter. Including the Son of man, Jesus our born-again brother in the Lord .

On one occasion an unbeliever bowed down to the dying flesh of Jesus calling him the good teaching master and not the invisible Father.

Jesus the preacher of the gospel is not the infallible teacher. Every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.

Mark 10:16-18;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

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[Bill]

Amen we can preach. Christ the husband alone is the infallible interpreter. Including the Son of man, Jesus our born-again brother in the Lord .

On one occasion an unbeliever bowed down to the dying flesh of Jesus calling him the good teaching master and not the invisible Father.

Jesus the preacher of the gospel is not the infallible teacher. Every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.

Mark 10:16-18;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

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You said that God needed no help from the peanut gallery. And I said " including you" LOL

 

[Bill Taylor]

Me thinks that we worry to much about making the scriptures understood, the Ruah that indwells every Boen Again Believer is here to teach us the true meaning.

 

[David Koberstein]

Acts 2:34 KJV 'For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,'

So if David had not ascended into heaven by the date of 33 AD after dying about 1000 years previously - 'King David of Israel reigned from around 1010–970 BCE. He was the second king of Israel, succeeding King Saul' - where was or is he today?
And if he had not ascendd then why do so many 'Christians' claim the dad fly off to heaven?

Also when Jesus died the earthquake broke open the tombs and some saints walked about the village. Who believes the dead were resurrected that day? who could those saints have been - local believers killed for preaching the Gospel?

The supposed tomb containing the bones of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Cave of Machpelah with the variously modified building above it but it is 19 miles from Jerusalem so they were unlikely to be the ones in Jerusalem?
Good old Wikipedia ever ready to worship Satan claims: 'most historians believe the Abraham-Isaac-Jacob narrative to be primarily mythological.'

All the Old Covenant patriarchs are in heaven. Just make sure you are grafted into the Tree of Israel and believing Jews so you can meet them in heaven one day!
Shalom

 

[David Koberstein]

Now you use scripture....One single scripture ...and you built an entire doctrine on it...An entire doctrine on a single verse?!

He probably a member of some cult group

 

[Bill]

All the Old Covenant patriarchs are in heaven. Just make sure you are grafted into the Tree of Israel and believing Jews so you can meet them in heaven one day!
Shalom

This I know to be true. Along with many Jews that were not the Patriarchs but had God in their hearts

 

[bountifulove4]

i would offer corrupted flesh and blood dying mankind could never enter the third heaven. no dying human to include the Son of man Jesus. No one has ever gone to the third heaven the invisible presence of eternal God.

Many try to put a literal face on invisible God.as if God was dying mankind.

It reveals they have no powerful faith that comes from Christ's labor of love that could please the faithful Father creator

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Dead corrupt things have no ability to create incorruption living things

The voice of Abel’s blood (new spirit) cried out unto God from the dead) In that way (Hebrew 11:39) all die not received the promise of new incorruptible bodies. Neither male nor female, jew nor gentile

Concerning the white robes of the dead - i truly believe that early in the description of the Book Of Revelation the second coming takes place and it begins unfolding and describing " the processing " of those whom have been raptured - taken up

by the time we get to Chapter 6: - the resurrection has already taken place and the bride is in heaven but there are still " under the altar " the souls of them that were slain from the past who are not a part of the raptured bride

these slain souls are waiting and commanded - that they should rest yet for a little season and will be raised
they are described as waiting for the first resurrection that takes place at the end of the book of Revelation

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw " under the altar " the souls of them that were slain .....................
:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season,

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


beginning the next step in processing - the next step after the first resurrection of the dead - these are the souls under the altar - those whose blood was crying out - how long until you avenge our blood
their conclusion and entrance into heaven is complete

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


one thing is striking is the fact every creature on the entire earth will be heard saying Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


I believe that you perhaps suggesting or are saying that anyone who would actually literally truly be in heaven today would only be there due to the resurrection of Jesus and that they would only be there without their earthly body ?

i understand you and this is exactly what the scripture teaches about flesh and blood and the corruption of this present body, that it is not Gods plan that we be in heaven in this current body.



but the question is how can we existing as just a soul without a body wear a literal robe ?

perhaps the answer lies in that although Jesus gave the souls under the altar white robes - these white robes were not yet placed on the dead souls whose spirits were not yet raised until the the first resurrection: -

they were given robes but commanded to rest a while longer and would then would wear the robes they were given when resurrected in spirit


please consider

- Just as Abel’s blood cried from the ground

- just as the souls under the altar cried with a loud voice how long till our blood be avenged

Just as every creature - in heaven, on and under the earth - in the sea - are heard saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

This is not necessarily in the way we hear as humans, but the way God understands, thinks and hears as a spirit, in his reasoning.

 

[bountifulove4]

the first resurrection and the rapture are both described as taking place in the same event


the dead in the anointing / Christ will rise first and those alive will be caught up to meet them in the air.

I believe that the souls under the altar are crying out before the first resurrection and rapture as God tells them to wait and rest still a little while

my mistake was to say that the rapture takes place before the first resurrection, i was wrong about this.

 

[bountifulove4]

i simply do not believe that one can point to anywhere in the Scripture and show that any human being is in heaven today

but that we wait for the first resurrection and first coming of Jesus Christ our Lord

I believe that any notion or idea of any human being in heaven today { before the day of judgment } simply is just imagination derived from misappropriated legends, parables, folklore and fantasy.

It just not something that the Bible really promotes and almost seems unknown to the writers as the Spirit Of Holy did not provide this information to them,

Even St Paul mentions someone being taken up into the third heaven but was completely unable to say wither the individual was in their body or out of their body

would not this indicate that the idea of anyone going to heaven in bodily form is simply not a common idea that Old Testament and Christian people really knew anything about =- and being judged as worthy of entering Heaven before the Great Judgment Day is BYPASSING THE JUDGMENT DAY and inventing a new standard and new set of rules for the Judgment of God.
to put forth the notion that the dead whom die automatically are sent to heaven, means that the dead will be in heaven before the judgment and dwell in the presence of God before the Judgment day

but when those whom are found unworthy and evil having spent hundreds or thousands of years in heaven in the presence of God are sentenced to hell and will be thrown out of heaven and cast into hell.

those who are worthy to remain in heaven will have completely bypassed the Great Judgment Day ?

this is the ideology of the Catholic Faith System that also bypasses the plain Scripture and mingles and mixes a contradiction of Man Made Traditions as some type of pledge to Rome - we pledge alliance to Rome regardless what the Bible says - nothing stands in our way

there would be no Great Judgment Day - if everyone who dies automatically goes directly to heaven immediately

this is the faith we see in the Catholic Faith System that mixes and blends man made tradition with limited passages of the Bible. It seems mre like a pledge and allegiance or loyalty to Rome, to ignore the plain teaching of the Word Of God and declare nothing will stand between me and Rome.