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No Redemption for Angels

Good thing i dont know that god. Must be hell

Man was given a free will. He had to make a choice using that free will whether to obey God or not.
There has to be temptation in order to make a choice. Without temptation there is no choice.
That was satans job. He didn’t fall out of heaven and just land in the garden.
He was placed there.
 
Jesus knows and sees everything before it happens.
John saw the entire book of revelation. It hasn’t happened yet.
Again….the plan of salvation was before the foundation of the world.
Again….that was before man was even created.
Everything is according to God’s plan.
Satan is a tool used by God to perfect souls.
We agree on almost all of this.
Man was given a free will
We disagree here, as all men, except Adam, were born under condemnation or separation from God and do not know He exists. Just because someone says He does does
not mean that person hearing it is making an informed decision to accept or reject someone He/she never met.

There has to be temptation in order to make a choice.
And that can only occur in those who are born again and mature enough to see that it is a temptation. Who understand what sin is.

He was placed there.
Correct but his domain is the entire earth. Prince of this world! and his angels are part of the temptation crew.
 
Good thing i dont know that god. Must be hell
Come on now you know without satan, Jesus wouldn't have been tempted. Same applies to us all.
Read the chapters concerning Job 1:8-12
12- And the Lord said to Satan, Behold all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.................
Thats a frightening thought hey? But the outcome was worth it for job.
 
We agree on almost all of this.

We disagree here, as all men, except Adam, were born under condemnation or separation from God and do not know He exists. Just because someone says He does does
not mean that person hearing it is making an informed decision to accept or reject someone He/she never met.


And that can only occur in those who are born again and mature enough to see that it is a temptation. Who understand what sin is.


Correct but his domain is the entire earth. Prince of this world! and his angels are part of the temptation crew.

Everyone is tempted,everyone has a free will. Adam included.
If there was no temptation they wouldn’t have eaten of the tree.
Did not Eve say the serpent beguiled/tempted her?

Did God not send/allow Satan to vex Job because of his self righteousness? And in the end Job saw his error,repented,and at the end of it all, said God did this to me.
Job 42:11
 
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Everyone is tempted,everyone has a free will. Adam included.
If there was no temptation they wouldn’t have eaten of the tree.
Did not Eve say the serpent beguiled/tempted her?

Did God not send/allow Satan to vex Job because of his self righteousness? And in the end Job saw his error,repented,and at the end of it all, said God did this to me.
Job 42:11
You contradict yourself.
One post states that god is fulfilling his own will and the next man has a free will.
Does that not imply that god is having to respond to our choices?
How can that be if He is working ALL things after the counsel of His own will?
How can God process souls if our choices inhibit Him?

Adam had a choice and as ROM 5:18 tells us it was his decision that placed everyone under condemnation. No one else
Beside Jesus ever had that
same choice.

You need to reread Job 1
It wasn’t self righteousness that brought it upon him. It was God bringing job to a higher wisdom and understanding of God. He had selected job for a higher revelation of Him.
 
You contradict yourself.
One post states that god is fulfilling his own will and the next man has a free will.
Does that not imply that god is having to respond to our choices?
How can that be if He is working ALL things after the counsel of His own will?
How can God process souls if our choices inhibit Him?

Adam had a choice and as ROM 5:18 tells us it was his decision that placed everyone under condemnation. No one else
Beside Jesus ever had that
same choice.

You need to reread Job 1
It wasn’t self righteousness that brought it upon him. It was God bringing job to a higher wisdom and understanding of God. He had selected job for a higher revelation of Him.

Read chapter 29 and see how proud and self righteous he was.
Everything is I and ME.
Chapter one….perfect and upright in his own eyes.
Like a lot of people today
 
29 and 30 and 31 are all 1 chapter. Read it all again.

3 chapters makes 1 chapter. That’s some weird math .
But since you bought up 32…..look at verse one.
He was righteous in his own eyes.
 
Job 42:5-6 I have heard of you by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees you. Therefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

It wasn't Jobs self righteousness he was repenting of, it was his condition as a man. He learned personally of what God could cause and or do
from the mouth of God Himself.
 
Good thing i dont know that god. Must be hell
Wanted to mention these

Job 12:16 ...........the deceived and the deceiver are His.

Rev 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world...................

Hmmm??
 
3 chapters makes 1 chapter. That’s some weird math
Some people have told me i have the patience of a saint.

Not math. Read 29 in the context of the rest of his words in 30 and 31.

Take romans for example, the entire book is one thought. The 16 chapter breaks have caused endless arguments.
 
If they repented, they wouldnt be his angels anymore, again, why are they deserving no mercy in your opinion?
They were created with full knowledge of God.
They have NO excuse when it comes to sin.
Pride was the first sin. Angels have free will and Satan CHOSE to disobey and rebel.
 
Angels have free will and Satan CHOSE to disobey and rebel.
Any proof of your accusation? Especially the free will of angels part. Seeing that they, the unclean, obeyed Jesus and they are subject unto the elect now
as well. Meaning if they were disobedient then why have they been obedient for the last 2000 yrs? Not to mention still loose.

Consider Job 1 and Job 1:12 in particular "And the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person"......"

Did God have a job for Satan here that in the end would bring Job into a higher relationship with God? Why would God turn Jobs life over to disobedient rebel?
 
Any proof of your accusation? Especially the free will of angels part. Seeing that they, the unclean, obeyed Jesus and they are subject unto the elect now
as well. Meaning if they were disobedient then why have they been obedient for the last 2000 yrs? Not to mention still loose.

Consider Job 1 and Job 1:12 in particular "And the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person"......"

Did God have a job for Satan here that in the end would bring Job into a higher relationship with God? Why would God turn Jobs life over to disobedient rebel?
Dear Brother,
Didn't want to intrude, but as I was scanning, I came across this, and just had to say something on this one. :)

On the fallen angels.
I'd say they had free choice in the decision they made.
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6 KJV

Unless you believe they had no choice, and God made the decision for them.
Would you say then that what they have reserved for them, is just if they had no choice and were actually obeying God commands?
I could mention Rev 12:10, and ask do you think God has directed them to do this as well?

It just doesn't fit that they have no free well. I would agree with you that they are limited in what they can do, but that doesn't mean that free will does not exist, just that they are limited in the exercise of the power they were given when they were created. Only our God is all powerful!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Unless you believe they had no choice, and God made the decision for them.
Would you say then that what they have reserved for them, is just if they had no choice and were actually obeying God commands?
For one we do not know what is waiting for them in reality, some think they know. We do know however that Michael would not bring a railing accusation
against Satan when disputing over the body of Moses. He simply said the Lord rebuke thee. So why should we?
I can say that the deceived and the deceiver are the Lords Job 12:16 And that the Devil is the one who is the deceiver of the world Rev 12:9

Seeing that the deceiver of the world belongs to the Lord your assumption that he was made to believe he could overcome is possible. He himself deceived.
Thus perfect in all thy ways UNTIL iniquity was found within thee..........is simply a change of the shining one into the adversary.
Afterall if they are created can He not modify them at will? He does work ALL things after His own will.
I would agree with you that they are limited in what they can do, but that doesn't mean that free will does not exist, just that they are limited in the exercise of the power they were given when they were created
Limited power? Thats a good way of putting it. They were limited in their ability to defile the human race. And if limited in just how far they could bring man down to
death, who gave them the authority to even touch man to begin with? And why?
Is not the knowledge of good and evil necessary to become like God? Which is the point right?
And since man was condemned as a judgement due to that knowledge being gained, does God not show His righteousness in the forgiving of ALL sin by the death
of Christ Jesus?
In what way? He started the process by planting both trees and providing the serpent knowing Adam would fail but that was the way it was supposed to happen.
otherwise Jesus would not have been foreordained before the world.

These kind of topics make one think hey?
 
Any proof of your accusation? Especially the free will of angels part. Seeing that they, the unclean, obeyed Jesus and they are subject unto the elect now
as well. Meaning if they were disobedient then why have they been obedient for the last 2000 yrs? Not to mention still loose.

Consider Job 1 and Job 1:12 in particular "And the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person"......"

Did God have a job for Satan here that in the end would bring Job into a higher relationship with God? Why would God turn Jobs life over to disobedient rebel?
Easy. It seems you know nothing of inference and how it works.
1. Angels are not human. They don't have souls that can be "saved".
2. Angels were created as God intended and with full knowledge of Him. Every. Single. One.
3. They have Free Will like we do. God did not and does not create beings who are entrapped in their bodies while He controls them and they are powerless.
4. Angels were made for their purpose. We were made for His purpose. We have souls.
5. You've probably never heard of the Age of Accountability. The age at which a child must have been taught and understand Good vs Evil. Normal vs Abnormal and so on. After that, they know full well Right vs Wrong.
Per the above Angels were never children or babies. Again, full knowledge of God and Right vs Wrong. They've NO excuse to sin; disobey and rebel.
Therefore, inference (most logical/factual conclusion) is that Lucifer and those 1/3rd of Angels were permanently doomed.
*Jesus did not come here to seek and save the lost angels. He didn't go to Hell for them either.
Satan isn't bound in Hell yet and his demons roam free.
Revelation and other parts show that "Satan and his demons (fallen angels) are going to be cast into eternal fire.
No accusation.
Show me where that one verse proves they have the capacity to and that now prophesy is false (heretical) and Revelation is now useless.
 
Angels are not human. They don't have souls that can be "saved".
Never said they were but they are part of all things and to be reconciled. Col 1:20
Angels were created as God intended and with full knowledge of Him. Every. Single. One.
I'll give you the first half but wheres the proof of the second as I don't think anyone other than Jesus knows as they are known especially angels as they desire to look
into what God is doing with man. 1Pe 1:12
They have Free Will like we do. God did not and does not create beings who are entrapped in their bodies while He controls them
Kinda conflicts with your prior statement of them being created AS God intended don't you think?
And reconcile that with Eph 1:11

Angels were made for their purpose. We were made for His purpose.
This agrees with Eph 1:11 as all things are working according to the will of God.
. You've probably never heard of the Age of Accountability. The age at which a child must have been taught and understand Good vs Evil. Normal vs Abnormal and so on. After that, they know full well Right vs Wrong.
Scripture please! Whats the age 10-20-30???? And how does the child of an atheist become that knowledgeable About God? Such that God would hold them
accountable?
Therefore, inference (most logical/factual conclusion)
Gotta love that logic from a carnally minded human.
Jesus did not come here to seek and save the lost angels.
Didn't need to as they already knew Him and the Father, they were never lost.
Satan isn't bound in Hell yet and his demons roam free.
And why would that be? Still got a job to do? Satan is indeed let out after the 1000yr reign to do another job???

Your lack of scriptural evidence provides sufficient understanding of your position and how it was derived. Carnal thinking!
 
Never said they were but they are part of all things and to be reconciled. Col 1:20

I'll give you the first half but wheres the proof of the second as I don't think anyone other than Jesus knows as they are known especially angels as they desire to look
into what God is doing with man. 1Pe 1:12

Kinda conflicts with your prior statement of them being created AS God intended don't you think?
And reconcile that with Eph 1:11


This agrees with Eph 1:11 as all things are working according to the will of God.

Scripture please! Whats the age 10-20-30???? And how does the child of an atheist become that knowledgeable About God? Such that God would hold them
accountable?

Gotta love that logic from a carnally minded human.

Didn't need to as they already knew Him and the Father, they were never lost.

And why would that be? Still got a job to do? Satan is indeed let out after the 1000yr reign to do another job???

Your lack of scriptural evidence provides sufficient understanding of your position and how it was derived. Carnal thinking!
You're making excuses.
Universalism is heresy especially regarding those fallen angels.
Again, Revelation and prophesy disprove your twisted interpretation of Colossians 1:20

1 Peter 1:12 - The prior revelation of the salvation experienced by CHRISTIANS; NOT angels. Next.....

Ephesians 1:11 - Your twisting of "all things" does not include them. Again, their judgment and punishment is clear and refutes ANY idea of Lucifer and the 1/3 being redeemed.

Age of Accountability:
*Don't play the "The word isn't in the Bible." weak argument.

As for Why Satan is let out the only answer you will accept will come from God Himself but if you keep up this heresy you'll never see it.
This also proves those fallen angels will NOT be redeemed.
 
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