No such thing as Eternal Son

[First and the Last]

I don't like the word manifestations in the way you are using it. That is the anti-trinitarian theology at work.

You can't place the Oneness theology into a Triune Godhead with three distinct persons. It will not fit.

This is an awesome discussion and I am so glad you have been handling it with care and respect. These forums can get heated sometimes and that is never the Spirit of God.

Let me ask you this, and these questions are not to offend just to better understand the Trinity, In your belief when we get to Heaven will we see Three Persons of God or Jesus Christ (All the fullness of Godhead dwells) in His now eternal glorified body.

 

[Charlie24]

This is an awesome discussion and I am so glad you have been handling it with care and respect. These forums can get heated sometimes and that is never the Spirit of God.

Let me ask you this, and these questions are not to offend just to better understand the Trinity, In your belief when we get to Heaven will we see Three Persons of God or Jesus Christ (All the fullness of Godhead dwells) in His now eternal glorified body.

According to 1 John 3:2 we will all see Jesus Christ when He appears., or we will see Him in heaven at our death, if we are saved according to Paul 2 Cor. 5:8.

According to Rev. 22:3-4 we will see the Father's face and His name written in our foreheads when the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven to earth with the throne of God.

 

[Charlie24]

According to 1 John 3:2 we will all see Jesus Christ when He appears., or we will see Him in heaven at our death, if we are saved according to Paul 2 Cor. 5:8.

According to Rev. 22:3-4 we will see the Father's face and His name written in our foreheads when the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven to earth with the throne of God.

I made a mistake on 2 Cor. 5:2, I changed it to 2 Cor. 5:8 which is the verse I intended.

 

[First and the Last]

According to 1 John 3:2 we will all see Jesus Christ when He appears., or we will see Him in heaven at our death, if we are saved according to Paul 2 Cor. 5:8.

According to Rev. 22:3-4 we will see the Father's face and His name written in our foreheads when the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven to earth with the throne of God.

How will we see the Father's face. 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Am I wrong in my assumption?

 

[Charlie24]

How will we see the Father's face. 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Am I wrong in my assumption?

Let's take a look at the context surrounding that verse.

Notice in vs. 4 what Paul is referring to.

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

The subject of this chapter is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Through the image of Christ the Gospel shines on man to bring him to Christ for his salvation.

vs. 6 "to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

The "light of the knowledge of the glory of God" is again the Gospel found in the face of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the Gospel of God's salvation. The Gospel radiates from Christ to reveal the salvation of the Father.

vs 7 "But we have this treasure" the light of the Gospel through Christ.

"in earthen vessels" referring to man's body receiving the light of the Gospel.

"that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us." This light of the Gospel that man receives is all of God and none of us.

The Gospel that brings salvation to man through Christ is all His work made possible by what Christ did for us on the Cross and His resurrection.

None of this chapter is what the Oneness Movement has taught you. They are taking the Scripture out of context.

 

[Brightfame52]

Unlike modalistic monarchianism, which suggests that God is one person who simply changes modes or forms like an actor putting on different masks, Oneness (which I Am) theology maintains that God's manifestations are not just temporary roles but true, simultaneous expressions of His one essence. God can manifest as Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in sanctification, but He is always the same one God.

At Jesus' baptism, the Father speaks from heaven, the Son is baptized, and the Holy Spirit descends like a dove (Matthew 3:16-17). This demonstrates that all three manifestations can occur simultaneously, reflecting the one God.

Jesus prays to the Father, not because He is a separate person, but to demonstrate His true humanity and to model a relationship with God for us. In His human nature, Jesus prayed to the Father to model a perfect human relationship with God, to express genuine human dependence on God, and to fulfill His role as the obedient Son. Jesus' prayers reflect His true humanity. They show His reliance on the Father, His submission to the Father's will, and His communication with God, just as any human being should.

Jesus prayed to set an example for us. His prayers teach us about the importance of prayer, trust in God, and submission to God's will (Luke 11:1-4). As the mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy 2:5), Jesus’ prayers also demonstrate His role in interceding for us. His high priestly prayer in John 17 is an example of intercession on behalf of His disciples and future believers.

Jesus’ prayers are understood within the framework of His dual nature. While He is God incarnate, His human nature required prayer for strength, guidance, and communion with God. Jesus praying to the Father does not imply a division within the Godhead but highlights the distinct role and experience of His humanity.

Does this describe your belief ?

What is Oneness doctrine? | GotQuestions.org

What is Oneness doctrine? Why do those who hold to Oneness doctrine reject the Trinity?

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[First and the Last]

Does this describe your belief ?

What is Oneness doctrine? | GotQuestions.org

What is Oneness doctrine? Why do those who hold to Oneness doctrine reject the Trinity?

www.gotquestions.org

yes pretty much but I also believe these various roles can be simultaneous or separate while maintaining the same character, nature, and essence of deity.

 

[Bill Taylor]

You gentlemen are trying to beat a dead horse to death and I do not perceive enough difference in perceptions to continue this flogging. Actually, this is such a minor issue and has naught to do with salvation and saving the lost. I will, I think, be in Heaven with both of you but I do feel you gents should give it a rest stop fueling the Atheists tool box with, "See how retarded Christians are?" I see in post 24 that Charlie suggested that agreeing to disagree is the answer and I, as a member of The Church of Yashua ha'Mashiah, that as members of that family you let this die peacefully.

 

[First and the Last]

You gentlemen are trying to beat a dead horse to death and I do not perceive enough difference in perceptions to continue this flogging. Actually, this is such a minor issue and has naught to do with salvation and saving the lost. I will, I think, be in Heaven with both of you but I do feel you gents should give it a rest stop fueling the Atheists tool box with, "See how retarded Christians are?" I see in post 24 that Charlie suggested that agreeing to disagree is the answer and I, as a member of The Church of Yashua ha'Mashiah, that as members of that family you let this die peacefully.

The nature of God, whether understood as one or three, is fundamentally important to our salvation and our mission to save the lost because it directly impacts our understanding of who God is, how we relate to Him, and how we communicate His truth to others. According to the Scriptures, knowing God is essential for eternal life. Jesus Himself said in John 17:3, "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

The understanding of God’s absolute oneness is crucial because it affirms the full deity of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:9 declares, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." This means that Jesus is not just a part of God, but that He fully embodies the one true God. This understanding shapes our worship, our baptismal practice, and our proclamation of the Gospel.

Understanding that God is One enhances our comprehension of His love and redemptive work. 1 Timothy 3:16 explains, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." This manifestation in the flesh as Jesus Christ underscores the profound love of God, who came in human form to save us.

 

[Twistie]

What are your comments on this statement?

So ya saying the son was a temporary fix?ヘ⁠（⁠。⁠□⁠°⁠）⁠ヘ

 

[First and the Last]

So ya saying the son was a temporary fix?ヘ⁠（⁠。⁠□⁠°⁠）⁠ヘ

Everything God came to do as Son is eternal and permanent.

Does this mean that God will cease using the resurrected and glorified body of Christ? I believe that Jesus will continue to use His glorified body throughout eternity. This is indicated by Revelation 22:3-4, which describes a visible God even after the last judgment and after the creation of the new heaven and earth: “And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: and they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.” Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7:21) The Lord’s glorified human body is immortal just like ours will be (I John 3:2; I Corinthians 15:50-54). Although the glorified body of Christ will continue to exist, all the reasons for the reign of the Son will be gone and all the roles played by the Son will be over. Even the Son will be placed under subjection so that God may be all in all. It is in this sense that the Sonship will end.

 

[Br. Bear]

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