One Flock-two groups

[kjw47]

There is one flock who serve Jesus, yet they are two groups--- the little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed, the bride of Christ, the 144,000--( Rev 14:3) these are bought from the earth by the blood of Jesus--these have the heavenly hope--to rule as kings and priests alongside Jesus during his millennial reign.(Rev 1:6, rev 20:6)--the remaining ones on earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation, the rest who have died prior are the first resurrection)

The great multitude of other sheep which no man can number( Rev 7:9)) at this point--all of creation will be standing before the throne--it will be the only ruling power in existence--so whether on earth, the moon, or heaven every living being will be standing before the throne.---these remain on earth and are protected by God and brought through Harmageddon.( Proverbs 2:21-22--Matt 24:22)

the new earth--Gods kingdom the only ruling power--no satan influences. all united as one under Jehovah God and his ruling king Jesus, will be transformed into Eden(paradise)
new heaven--Gods kingdom in full control-no satan influences.

 

[B-A-C]

These are some interesting perspectives. This sounds much like Jehovah's Witness doctrine.

Of course the 144,000 are only Jews. Not Gentiles. ( Rev 7:4-8; ) 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes = 144,000
This isn't even all the Jews, it's just a part of them who have kept themselves chaste from women and have not lied. ( Rev 14:4-5; )

Also those who reign with Christ during the millennial reign are those beheaded in the tribulation ( Rev 20:4-6; )

The people outside the New Jerusalem are not saved. ( Rev 22:14-15; )

 

[RJ]

.(Rev 1:6, rev 20:6)--the remaining ones on earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation, the rest who have died prior are the first resurrection)

The "twinkling of an eye" is from 1 Corinthians 15:52, and it is the rapture before tribulation or Jesus gathering his church. Those , at the time Christians and alive , are instantly changed, along with the dead in Christ and all will be given their heavenly bodies just like Christ and they will rule with Christ during the millennium.

 

[Chad]

This sounds much like Jehovah's Witness doctrine.

It sure is. Here's their false teaching One Flock, One Shepherd — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

@kjw47

I humbly tell you, lose the JW doctrine. It's false. More importantly, the Bible is sufficient. It's an insult when cults like JW come up with their own 'doctrines'. It's not only an insult to the Word but dangerous.

JW / Watchover is from the devil, not from GOD. Any false teachings is from the devil.

Jehovah's Witness | Talk Jesus
False Prophets: Are Jehovah's Witnesses False Prophets? - Christian Research Institute

 

[kjw47]

These are some interesting perspectives. This sounds much like Jehovah's Witness doctrine.

Of course the 144,000 are only Jews. Not Gentiles. ( Rev 7:4-8; ) 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes = 144,000
This isn't even all the Jews, it's just a part of them who have kept themselves chaste from women and have not lied. ( Rev 14:4-5; )

Also those who reign with Christ during the millennial reign are those beheaded in the tribulation ( Rev 20:4-6; )

The people outside the New Jerusalem are not saved. ( Rev 22:14-15; )

Actually the Jewish have rejected Jesus for over 1950 years( they have been cut off-Matt 23:37-38)--this is spiritual Israel being spoken of.( Israelites who came to Jesus and as well Gentiles are apart of the group). 2 of the tribes listed are not of the original tribes listed in the ot. it was symbolism-- being virgins symbolized--having 0 to do with false religions and govts.(part of being no part of this world, Jesus said we must not be apart of) Peter was an anointed teacher of the little flock--he was married, not a virgin.
It teaches nothing about the beheading being during the tribulation) back after Jesus died--all apostles and followers were eventually murdered( beheaded is symbolic for that)
the ones alive during the tribulation, will not taste death, they will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[kjw47]

It sure is. Here's their false teaching One Flock, One Shepherd — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

@kjw47

I humbly tell you, lose the JW doctrine. It's false. More importantly, the Bible is sufficient. It's an insult when cults like JW come up with their own 'doctrines'. It's not only an insult to the Word but dangerous.

JW / Watchover is from the devil, not from GOD. Any false teachings is from the devil.

Jehovah's Witness | Talk Jesus
False Prophets: Are Jehovah's Witnesses False Prophets? - Christian Research Institute

You gotta be kidding. The JW,s didn't make a false prophecy--whoever teaches that is in error--Harmageddon--a true prophecy from God--nothing false about it--their error was putting a date on a true prophecy--they have repented of that-- Mark 3:24-26--a house divided will not stand= trinity religionssssssssssssssss--democracy.) Gods rule is a kingship--the only right way.
Jesus and all his real teachers in the nt teach--Jesus has a God-his Father---- 100% truth-undeniable--his real teachers teach that today too. John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3--Rev 1:6--- this is what the bible teaches why isn't it sufficient? teaching a non existent trinity is the teaching from satan.
Trinity translations are erred to mislead.
From Moses on up taught in every synagogue from day 1--YHWH(Jehovah) a single being mono God--the God Jesus worshipped his 30 years attending--undeniable fact. proving all the scriptures above are 100% correct.

And what is your teaching of why they are separated in to 2 groups--and who do you say Jesus makes this promise--Matt 5:5--blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH? I know my teachers are correct.

 

[Chad]

Clearly you're not a teachable spirit and you're not here to learn as a result. What you just posted was very clear that you believe in false doctrine and have no interest in the infallible Word of GOD. Somehow, you believe the JW doctrine is the absolute truth but the Bible isn't.

Your account will be closed if you continue spreading false doctrine since I can't allow you to spread these lies on the forums for the sake of my members. I'm not kidding

Trinity translations are erred to mislead.

You don't read the Bible. You read whatever the JW teaches. False prophecies, false doctrine. Trinity is biblical.

The JW,s didn't make a false prophecy

You didn't bother reading the two links. Who is JW anyway that renders the Bible insufficient enough for you and their followers?

I know my teachers are correct.

Your teachers are not correct. The Holy Spirit enables a seeking believer to learn.

Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 9:9
Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

 

[RJ]

the ones alive during the tribulation, will not taste death, they will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

Not right and proves you don't know your scripture....the "twinkling of the eye" happens just before tribulation. That is a false teaching that Jesus is in you but will allow you to be any part of tribulation.

 

[kjw47]

Clearly you're not a teachable spirit and you're not here to learn as a result. What you just posted was very clear that you believe in false doctrine and have no interest in the infallible Word of GOD. Somehow, you believe the JW doctrine is the absolute truth but the Bible isn't.

Your account will be closed if you continue spreading false doctrine since I can't allow you to spread these lies on the forums for the sake of my members. I'm not kidding


You don't read the Bible. You read whatever the JW teaches. False prophecies, false doctrine. Trinity is biblical.


You didn't bother reading the two links. Who is JW anyway that renders the Bible insufficient enough for you and their followers?

I show you scripture after scripture teaching Jesus has a God and you stand their and say I am lying, Even Jesus tells you he has a God, but you refuse to believe him--that is very sad. --- Links of apostates--I have read many in my life--

I asked you 2 questions where are the answers--its what the bible teaches.

JW,s are Taught --every utterance from God--over and over to live by daily

trinity teaching---Rev 3:12---God has a God with another God(HS) over there.
John 1:1--in the beginning the God was and the God was with God and the God was God--with another God over there( HS)-- tell us all---how Does God have a God? when there is only 1 God-----Jesus' God and Father=YHWH(Jehovah)

False doctrine = telling another they are saved or born again--not a single mortal on earth has seen 1 name written in the book of life, not 1 mortal on earth can read anothers true heart, not 1 mortal on earth has a clue who will endure till the end( Matt 10:22) just theory--they have 0 right telling another those false words.

Being kicked out because you fear Jesus real truths. Every trinity I have ever met reject Jesus truths--why is that?

 

[RJ]

I show you scripture after scripture teaching Jesus has a God and you stand their and say I am lying, Even Jesus tells you he has a God, but you refuse to believe him--that is very sad. --- Links of apostates--I have read many in my life--

I asked you 2 questions where are the answers--its what the bible teaches.

JW,s are Taught --every utterance from God--over and over to live by daily

trinity teaching---Rev 3:12---God has a God with another God(HS) over there.
John 1:1--in the beginning the God was and the God was with God and the God was God--with another God over there( HS)-- tell us all---how Does God have a God? when there is only 1 God-----Jesus' God and Father=YHWH(Jehovah)

False doctrine = telling another they are saved or born again--not a single mortal on earth has seen 1 name written in the book of life, not 1 mortal on earth can read anothers true heart, not 1 mortal on earth has a clue who will endure till the end( Matt 10:22) just theory--they have 0 right telling another those false words.

Your .....!!!!

 

[kjw47]

Not right and proves you don't know your scripture....the "twinkling of the eye" happens just before tribulation. That is a false teaching that Jesus is in you but will allow you to be any part of tribulation.

No where does it teach it occurs before the tribulation.

 

[Chad]

@kjw47

Lose the tone and attitude. Your attitude and lack of a teachable spirit makes it clear you think "all the links" are wrong and only JW is right.

The bible is clear and sufficient. Why does JW have their own doctrine? Why are there so many failed prophecies? You clearly are ignorant.

 

[kjw47]

Your .....!!!!

Are you calling Jesus a liar too? John 20:17, Rev 3:12

 

[Chad]

Manipulating people's word and most importantly God's Word is unacceptable. You're disrespectful.

 

[norapture]

Paul disputed 2 years in the book of Acts to prove what is right in the scriptures. It takes patience to do that

 

[RJ]

No where does it teach it occurs before the tribulation.

• or in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Matthew 24:38-41 Noah was spared by the Ark and we are spared by Pre-rapture!
• Aside from many other scriptures of God's way there is faith, As a born again Christian, God gives you faith about who he is. It is by true faith alone, that is proof of pre-rapture.
• You don't know your scripture, you don't have true faith and you certainly do not know the one true God!

 

[DHC]

I show you scripture after scripture teaching Jesus has a God and you stand their and say I am lying, Even Jesus tells you he has a God, but you refuse to believe him--that is very sad. --- Links of apostates--I have read many in my life--

I asked you 2 questions where are the answers--its what the bible teaches.

JW,s are Taught --every utterance from God--over and over to live by daily

trinity teaching---Rev 3:12---God has a God with another God(HS) over there.
John 1:1--in the beginning the God was and the God was with God and the God was God--with another God over there( HS)-- tell us all---how Does God have a God? when there is only 1 God-----Jesus' God and Father=YHWH(Jehovah)

False doctrine = telling another they are saved or born again--not a single mortal on earth has seen 1 name written in the book of life, not 1 mortal on earth can read anothers true heart, not 1 mortal on earth has a clue who will endure till the end( Matt 10:22) just theory--they have 0 right telling another those false words.

Being kicked out because you fear Jesus real truths. Every trinity I have ever met reject Jesus truths--why is that?

Hello kjw47.

Have you read the following verses?

Matthew 22
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question:
42 “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They said to Him, “The son of David.”
43 He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”

Here is the exact verse that King David had uttered below, to which Jesus was referring to.

Psalm 110
1 The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

'The Lord says to my Lord', two Lords, two Jehovahs, two Gods!

The Hebrew words for both instances of 'Lord' in (Psalm 110:1) above are YHWH and ADONAI.



If David calls the Christ the 'Lord', then the Christ is clearly God.

 

[norapture]

QUOTE="RJ, post: 251766, member: 18160"]

• or in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Matthew 24:38-41 Noah was spared by the Ark and we are spared by Pre-rapture!
• Aside from many other scriptures of God's way there is faith, As a born again Christian, God gives you faith about who he is. It is by true faith alone, that is proof of pre-rapture.
• You don't know your scripture, you don't have true faith and you certainly do not know the one true God!

RJ this in Matthew 24 is the coming of the son of man.
Not no rapture, cause if it was then you confess its after tribulation
Cause verse 29 says immediately after the tribulation

 

[RJ]

RJ this in Matthew 24 is the coming of the son of man.
Not no rapture, cause if it was then you confess its after tribulation
Cause verse 29 says immediately after the tribulation

“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthc will mourni when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven,j with power and great glory.dk with a loud trumpet call,l and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
O.K., norapture,as your applies, we have always disagreed about rapture, but at least we can agree Jesus is LORD and SAVIOUR !
One question, why, in vs. 30 do the people of earth mourn?

 

[RJ]

The occult are falling like flies around here!:coffee: