Only 1,000 years?

[Hitch]

If you are among those who expect Christ to be bodily on earth ruling from Jerusalem, commonly referred to as 'The Millennium' I wonder what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the world’s beginning until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Jesus will return in power and glory with the angels to put a stop to the destruction of the world and the annihilation of humankind from nuclear war.
The millennium will be a healing and restoration of this planet and humans in this period will live very differently to our times.
Isaiah 65:17-25
17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness.

 

[Gregoryp]

If you are among those who expect Christ to be bodily on earth ruling from Jerusalem, commonly referred to as 'The Millennium' I wonder what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

Rather than me type for ten minutes, read this. It explains everything. What Is the Millennium? 7 Answers to 7 Questions

 

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If you are among those who expect Christ to be bodily on earth ruling from Jerusalem, commonly referred to as 'The Millennium' I wonder what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

Hello @Hitch,

Your subject heading asks the question:- 'Only 1,000 years?'

If you are referring to the reign of Christ, then no, it does not last for a mere 1,000 years. That time refers to the reward of the Overcomers, who will live and reign with Him for 1,000 years. What a privilege that is! Isn't it?

Without Christ there would be no history. No earth, no heaven, no world to dwell in and no inhabitant; for He as the living Word, Who in the beginning was with God, and who Himself is God, created the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. So, yes He will come again, as the Word of God says: and He will perform all that the Scriptures say concerning Him; for He must reign till He has put down all rule and authority, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Chris

 

[Hitch]

Rather than me type for ten minutes, read this. It explains everything. What Is the Millennium? 7 Answers to 7 Questions

Nonsense ,

He's going to set up His kingdom on this earth and for a thousand years there will be a rule of righteousness''

Hmmmm What is Jesus doing today ? Didnt Jesus tell us the kingdom was 'set up' during His ministry ? Why/how does 1,000 years of perfect rule end in failure ?


Jesus was born king lived and died as king lives forever more and rules today and will continue in the situation He left us in , Christ seated in Heaven and the Holy Spirit ministering on earth until the last enemy is destroyed .

0 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

The reason is simple. The best possible means to successfully complete the churches commission is with Christ NOT present bodily, just as we know death is finally done away with at the last day, expressly not 1007 years prior.

But the question is what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

He humbled Himself to enter time once, it is patently silly to expect He will again humble Himself , especially if you're one who believes in the millennial return to Judaism with its useless bloody sacrifices.

 

[Hitch]

Matthew 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the world’s beginning until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Jesus will return in power and glory with the angels to put a stop to the destruction of the world and the annihilation of humankind from nuclear war.
The millennium will be a healing and restoration of this planet and humans in this period will live very differently to our times.
Isaiah 65:17-25
17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness.

OK Show me nuclear war in Scripture.
Show me why/how Christ must be bodily present to do what you expect.
Show me why/how Christ again humbling Himself to live near sin and death is more glorious than His current situation .

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

Your subject heading asks the question:- 'Only 1,000 years?'

If you are referring to the reign of Christ, then no, it does not last for a mere 1,000 years. That time refers to the reward of the Overcomers, who will live and reign with Him for 1,000 years. What a privilege that is! Isn't it?

Without Christ there would be no history. No earth, no heaven, no world to dwell in and no inhabitant; for He as the living Word, Who in the beginning was with God, and who Himself is God, created the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. So, yes He will come again, as the Word of God says: and He will perform all that the Scriptures say concerning Him; for He must reign till He has put down all rule and authority, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Chris

So why bother responding without answering the question ?

what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

 

[Waggles]

I see that you just want to be cantankerous and quarrelsome.
Sorry but I have better things to do with my time.

 

[Hitch]

I see that you just want to be cantankerous and quarrelsome.
Sorry but I have better things to do with my time.

Promise ?

 

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So why bother responding without answering the question ?

Hello @Hitch,

I have answered it, in that by doing so He fulfills the Scriptures concerning Himself.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

I have answered it, in that by doing so He fulfills the Scriptures concerning Himself.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

s He will come again, as the Word of God says: and He will perform all that the Scriptures say concerning Him; for He must reign till He has put down all rule and authority, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death.[/quote]

Isnt this what we see here?



The Lord says to my lord:[a]
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”
2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of your enemies!”

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

Your subject heading asks the question:- 'Only 1,000 years?'

If you are referring to the reign of Christ, then no, it does not last for a mere 1,000 years. That time refers to the reward of the Overcomers, who will live and reign with Him for 1,000 years. What a privilege that is! Isn't it?

Without Christ there would be no history. No earth, no heaven, no world to dwell in and no inhabitant; for He as the living Word, Who in the beginning was with God, and who Himself is God, created the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. So, yes He will come again, as the Word of God says: and He will perform all that the Scriptures say concerning Him; for He must reign till He has put down all rule and authority, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Chris

If you are referring to the reign of Christ, then no, it does not last for a mere 1,000 years. That time refers to the reward of the Overcomers, who will live and reign with Him for 1,000 years. What a privilege that is! Isn't it?

Care to explain this ?

 

[Reba1]

Jesus will return in power and glory with the angels to put a stop to the destruction of the world and the annihilation of humankind from nuclear war.
The millennium will be a healing and restoration of this planet and humans in this period will live very differently to our times.

Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. In your opinion @Waggles did Jesus have all power when He spoke those words?

 

[PloughBoy]

Where are people getting this information about Jesus ruling from Jerusalem on the earth. Where is this coming form.
The Millennium Reign. Jesus with the saints of GOD will be living and Ruling from The NEW JERUSALEM coming down, from Heaven and we will rule from the SKY, hovering over the earth! NOT The ONE on THE EARTH IN THE DIRT. "Mikey will eat anything" right quote "Mikey will not eat anything'
This "New JERUSALEM" is a HEAVENLY CITY filled with GLORIFIED Bodies. with 12 gates to the city in the SKY Hovering over the earth and no unclean thing can come in it but we can go in and out. For some of us are "Glorified Creatures" Joint Rulers. and living in That CITY. And what we are going to look like we do not know yet, and how we shall rule is untold to us now, But Maybe at "The Coronation Dinner" these things may be reveal to us, at that time. That is better know as The "WEDDING FEAST". Unless y'all know what to do and do not need instructions. "for ye are gods" and you are all knowing.

Common sense should tell anyone, a "GLORIFIED City" will not be wallow around in The Dirt. " You can take the pig out of Mud but you cannot take the mud Thought Out of the PIG" You can wash them up and put lipstick on their lips and "ten gallon hat with High White button shoes. But before the day over
Now watch the Pig thoughts come alive. Meaning stop thinking Mud. And step into the "HEAVENS".

 

[Reba1]

Where are people getting this information about Jesus ruling from Jerusalem on the earth. Where is this coming form.
The Millennium Reign. Jesus with the saints of GOD will be living and Ruling from The NEW JERUSALEM coming down, from Heaven and we will rule from the SKY, hovering over the earth! NOT The ONE on THE EARTH IN THE DIRT. "Mikey will eat anything" right quote "Mikey will not eat anything'
This "New JERUSALEM" is a HEAVENLY CITY filled with GLORIFIED Bodies. with 12 gates to the city in the SKY Hovering over the earth and no unclean thing can come in it but we can go in and out. For some of us are "Glorified Creatures" Joint Rulers. and living in That CITY. And what we are going to look like we do not know yet, and how we shall rule is untold to us now, But Maybe at "The Coronation Dinner" these things may be reveal to us, at that time. That is better know as The "WEDDING FEAST". Unless y'all know what to do and do not need instructions. "for ye are gods" and you are all knowing.

Common sense should tell anyone, a "GLORIFIED City" will not be wallow around in The Dirt. " You can take the pig out of Mud but you cannot take the mud Thought Out of the PIG" You can wash them up and put lipstick on their lips and "ten gallon hat with High White button shoes. But before the day over
Now watch the Pig thoughts come alive. Meaning stop thinking Mud. And step into the "HEAVENS".

Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
what is the tense of ye are come?

 

[Hitch]

Dispensationalism teaches that the Millennium will be a return to Judaism, complete with temple and bloody animal sacrifices ..
The very idea borders on blasphemy as it requires not only a return to the 'shadows' but that Christ himself preside over that very thing he came to put and end to.
I reckon most folks dont bother to think through the reality. They dont have a means to allow thousands (millions?) of glorified saints to walk about the earth next to the mix of regenerate and unregenerate mankind. Most probably dont know DTS has never taught the mixed kingdom ( their solution is a gas BTW) or that it comes from the Lindsey (AOG) Dave Hunt branch of the more 'pop' style of dispensationalism or DF (Dispensational Futurism). Even the barest consideration of the logistics harms the system so its better not to think of it and it must never be discussed. For example; Have you considered how long the line will be of those wishing to have ONE MINUTE with the risen glorified Christ ( which comes with its own problems )? How many mothers with sick children, how many with broken bodies will expire while they wait in heat and cold. Silly? Not at all this system places Christ within the restrictions of time . I'll let who ever is interested figure the number in minutes in a day. My guess is at near 5 million the line will go static as those who die or give up begins to equal newcomers. It will make for great TV coverage--- Another 500 babies died in the mothers arms today as Jesus was doing what? Making sure the calf was perfect enough to burn ? Glorious aint it ?
Some have said it must be so to fulfill prophecy, but JESUS says his kingdom does NOT come with observation so Paul defines it as entirely spiritual. In direct contrast to the Millennialist. Somehow it is so easy to forget 'first the natural then the spiritual'. One thousand years is less than a . in eternity. I smile when folks try to make all this as if it glorifies Christ when its really about that cushy government job they hope for even as they cant quite make sense of it . Can you see what the specifics involved have in common ? They must not be thought through logically and that means scripturally or they fail. No? Scripture says 'When he shall appear we shall all be like him' this eliminates the mixed kingdom as even the regenerate would find the vision toxic : ' ; for we shall see him as he is' . Glorified. Now if it must be that Christ is veiled somehow it cant be said this entirety is for his glory can it? It requires increasingly fanciful thinking. Just as it requires we forget that Jesus himself said it is better for us that he NOT be here in the body. The Right Hand of Power must not be so great if this is a move up. We want a sudden supreme takeover, we do so because even in Gods chosen there remains of Adam's rebellion and we push aside our Lord's teaching of gradual growth through the Spirit rather than might and power. We reject gaining little by little and try to insert the way of the world into Christ own kingdom. Wont work.
Christ arrived and set up his kingdom long ago. He took his throne and sent us the Spirit . This is the perfect system to enable the church to fulfill her commission. Its is NOT Jesus returning to do so by force, the very idea places the Holy Spirit in a back corner, a helpless vapor. Dispensationalism does great harm to the value of the work of the cross ( rendering it a secondary plan) AND never allows for the possibility of success on part of the Holy Spirit in history, thus it dismisses the very work of Christ the Spirit and the Father who sent them. There is nothing to gain for Christ to return to set up a temporary temporal mixed kingdom. To pretend this would be beneficial to man and glorifying to Christ is delusional and contrary to Scripture . When its really all about false hopes and the barest possibility of beating death , the marks of our rebellious nature.
Christ's perfect work will be realized through the agency of his church , he can neither be hurried nor troubled.

 

[Reba1]

Dispensationalism does great harm to the value of the work of the cross ( rendering it a secondary plan) AND never allows for the possibility of success on part of the Holy Spirit in history, thus it dismisses the very work of Christ the Spirit and the Father who sent them.

It took a few years to grasp the Truth of the above. Unlearning, a life time of what i considered to be Biblical truth, was a difficult task. So wish i could put into words the opening of the Spirit of His Word . I grew up knowing His Word grew up on Bible stories Sunday School etc.. The divide between knowledge and wisdom in the realm of Scripture is vast.

 

[Gregoryp]

If you are among those who expect Christ to be bodily on earth ruling from Jerusalem, commonly referred to as 'The Millennium' I wonder what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

::: SHOCKING FACTS ABOUT DISPENSATIONALISM ::: I just finished reading this, my conclusion? There is no physical thousand year reign here on the earth. As I suspected for sometime, but now i am sure it is so.

 

[Hitch]

::: SHOCKING FACTS ABOUT DISPENSATIONALISM ::: I just finished reading this, my conclusion? There is no physical thousand year reign here on the earth. As I suspected for sometime, but now i am sure it is so.

I've never heard of Blume but a cursory glance at the page you linked was very encouraging.

 

[PloughBoy]

If you are among those who expect Christ to be bodily on earth ruling from Jerusalem, commonly referred to as 'The Millennium' I wonder what is it that you think Christ gains by re-entering history complete with sin and death nearby?

What make you think that we The Sons of GOD and "CHRIST" will re-entering history and rule in The Millennium for it will not be Old JERUSALEM But The NEW JERUSALEM that is in the sky and we will Rule from the SKY and we will rule from "ETERNITY". We will be in" ETERNITY" and still Ruling the WORLD and The many Nations. Now be fooiish and ask us HOW is that done! For you do not know Our GOD Our FATHER. "WITH men things are impossible with "GOD" all things are Possible" Now choke on that meat! Those Dime store Novels you have been reading about our GOD and the things to come" "Is like a Hunting Dog that cannot Hunt" For sir you have not The "ABILITY" to speak on The Terms of "THE MILLENNIUM" for The FINITE cannot Comprehend The "INFINITE" Mortal minds are not allowed. That means it is impossible to engage even in The direction of "THE MILLENNIUM" which is in "GOD".But Have been reveal to us, for we have the mind of CHRIST. Which is a "GIFT" from "GOD" not earn, given.