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Paul contridicts alot of what christ said

Mark 9:41(41) For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Matthew 10:42(42) And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

If you don't follow why, when the bridegroom is there we celabrate, when he returns we will celabrate again as he said


 
wizanda said:
Mark 9:41(41) For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Matthew 10:42(42) And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

If you don't follow why, when the bridegroom is there we celabrate, when he returns we will celabrate again as he said
I don't this at all.... what does this have to do with contradictions between Jesus and Paul?
 
pappa...I think wizanda is stating that a person who stands up for the Word of GOD will be rewarded.
 
It is because everyone kept asking about where it had said just for disciple to just drink water
 
Chad said:
pappa...I think wizanda is stating that a person who stands up for the Word of GOD will be rewarded.
Amen
Better to stand for what is right then half messures and if you know a truth in your heart
Be as christ better to be standing alone then not at all
If you help fetch in the harvest you will recieve your reward as he said
I am not doing any of this for that though it is more about making the christian communities become more christian
 
There really is a lot to explain when u have to back up everything with the appropriate scriptures
all these christians with being dead in christ as paul said
when christ him self clearly states god is alive this is a huge point i see all over the place

Matthew 7:13-14
(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke 12:22-23
(22) And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
(23) The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.

John 1:4-5
(4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 5:26
(26) For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Mark 12:27
(27) He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

I wish there was some easy way to show people if you look at the biger picture of all the little contridictions you see then, it makes sense

Christ said to worship the father and came to show us the father
Paul made it apper as we should almost mourn over christ and be with him in death clearly not what christ said

Matthew 23:29-31
(29) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
(30) And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
(31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
 
wizanda....where does Paul make it "appear as we should almost mourn over Christ..."?

If you are referring to his statement of being "dead unto Christ"...I belive you are simply misinterpreting. He means the "old self" be dead unto Christ and therefore "made new in Christ".
 
JP you did a fantastic job in researching and addressing Wizandas statements!

God be praised for giving you such wisdom and patience!
 
Quoting Wizanda ...

Mark 9:41(41) For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Matthew 10:42(42) And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

If you don't follow why, when the bridegroom is there we celabrate, when he returns we will celabrate again as he said



pappa said:
I don't this at all.... what does this have to do with contradictions between Jesus and Paul?
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Wizanda .. You have taken these, as well as many other of the passages you quote WAYYYYYYy out of context

These passages are no way saying we can ONLY DRINK WATER ... they are saying if, in kindness, you give a thirsty person a glass of water .... meaning an act of kindness will be rewarded. There in Matthew where it uses the word "only" ... means, you dont have to give them orange juice or Pepsi if they are in need ... just a glass of water is sufficient to slake their thirst!

If one is reaching out in love because of love for Christ and the teachings of His disciples they are fulfilling the call of God and shall be rewarded for the love they show.

Listen to the Mark passage from the New Living "If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I assure you, that person will be rewarded."
....and Matthew
"...and if you give even a cup of cold water to one of the least of my followers, you will surely be rewarded."

We might also take it to mean if you offer a thirsty (lost & seeking) person living water (Christ's Salvation) you will receive a reward.

Dear one, may I suggest you get yourself a translation that is perhaps a little easier for you to understand? It is good you come here asking questions. I hope you ask in order that you may learn!
 
2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

In the greek inspiration means God Breathed.
2Peter1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Bible was not written by ordinay man, but by holy man that were moved on by the Holy Ghost. God used these men as vessals, and breathed the word of God upon them that they may speak.
 
In the excellent book Christ or Paul?, the Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore wrote:
"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught....For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to misrepresent his message....That is what Paul and his followers did, and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed lamentably to redeem the world....The teachings given by the blessed Master Christ, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact were as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed to the darkness."
The great theologian Soren Kierkegaard, writing in The Journals, echoes the above sentiment:
"In the teachings of Christ, religion is completely present tense: Jesus is the prototype and our task is to imitate him, become a disciple. But then through Paul came a basic alteration. Paul draws attention away from imitating Christ and fixes attention on the death of Christ The Atoner. What Martin Luther. in his reformation, failed to realize is that even before Catholicism, Christianity had become degenerate at the hands of Paul. Paul made Christianity the religion of Paul, not of Christ Paul threw the Christianity of Christ away, completely turning it upside down. making it just the opposite of the original proclamation of Christ"
The brilliant theologian Ernest Renan, in his book Saint Paul, wrote:
"True Christianity, which will last forever, comes from the gospel words of Christ not from the epistles of Paul. The writings of Paul have been a danger and a hidden rock. the causes of the principal defects of Christian theology."
Albert Schweitzer, winner of the 1952 Nobel Peace Prize, has been called
"one of the greatest Christians of his time." He was a philosopher, physician, musician, clergyman, missionary, and theologian. In his The Quest for the Historical Jesus and his Mysticism of Paul he writes: "Paul....did not desire to know Christ....Paul shows us with what complete indifference the earthly life of Jesus was regarded....What is the significance for our faith and for our religious life, the fact that the Gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Jesus?....The attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal to its authority....The fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces it."
William Wrede, in his excellent book Paul, informs us:
"The oblivious contradictions in the three accounts given by Paul in regard to his conversion are enough to arouse distrust....The moral majesty of Jesus, his purity and piety, his ministry among his people, his manner as a prophet, the whole concrete ethical-religious content of his earthly life, signifies for Paul's Christology nothing whatever....The name 'disciple of Jesus' has little applicability to Paul....Jesus or Paul: this alternative characterizes, at least in part, the religious and theological warfare of the present day"
Rudolf Bultman, one of the most respected theologians of this century, wrote in his Significance of the Historical Jesus for the Theology of Paul:
"It is most obvious that Paul does not appeal to the words of the Lord in support of his....views. when the essentially Pauline conceptions are considered, it is clear that Paul is not dependent on Jesus. Jesus' teaching is -- to all intents and purposes -- irrelevant for Paul."
Walter Bauer, another eminent theologian, wrote in his Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity:
"If one may be allowed to speak rather pointedly the Apostle Paul was the only Arch-Heretic known to the apostolic age."
George Bernard Shaw, winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925; in his Androcles and the Lion, we read:
"There is not one word of Pauline Christianity in the characteristic utterances of Jesus....There has really never been a more monstrous imposition perpetrated than the imposition of Paul's soul upon the soul of Jesus....It is now easy to understand how the Christianity of Jesus....was suppressed by the police and the Church, while Paulinism overran the whole western civilized world, which was at that time the Roman Empire, and was adopted by it as its official faith."
Will Durant; in his Caesar and Christ, he wrote:
"Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ....Through these interpretations Paul could neglect the actual life and sayings of Jesus, which he had not directly known....Paul replaced conduct with creed as the test of virtue. It was a tragic change."
Martin Buber, the most respected Jewish philosopher of this century, wrote in Two Types of Faith:
"The Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount is completely opposed to Paul"
In one of the best books on early Christianity, Those Incredible Christians, Dr. High Schonfield reports:
"It was not only the teaching and activities of Paul which made him obnoxious to the Christian leaders: but their awareness that he set his revelations above their authority and claimed an intimacy with the mind of Jesus, greater than that of those who had companied with him on earth and had been chosen by him....It was an abomination, especially as his ideas were so contrary to what they knew of Jesus, that he should pose as the embodiment of the Messiah 's will....Paul was seen as the demon-driven enemy of the Messiah....For the legitimate Church, Paul was a dangerous and disruptive influence, bent on enlisting a large following among the Gentiles in order to provide himself with a numerical superiority with the support of which he could set at defiance the Elders at Jerusalem. Paul had been the enemy from the beginning. and because he failed in his former open hostility he had craftily insinuated himself into the fold to destroy it from within."
 
Wizanda...what matters is what GOD says in the Bible, not the people you mentioned.
 
Ok then maybe I should point out, that I am the angel spoke of with the small scroll.
I fufilled this 2 years before even reading the new testament, as God asked me to do it.
My name is in many religions, as fore told, zanda means the corn cutter who opens the strong door in ancient hebrew, It is also an english fish.
So the reason I posted that, is wisdom is the key, Love is the answer to understanding the ways of heaven.
As you can see from the people who said them things they were wise.
I could run through every reason as I am currently doing, so all can follow, it is just taking some time, so it is explained correctly with all scriptures for all the goats who like to argue over points.
Just wanted to see who was already true to God and Christ.
 
Paul did not contradict anything Jesus taught, the Holy Spirit through Paul exponded on it. Jesus said to his disciples that He had many things to tell them but they could not bear them. Jesus did not forbid us to judge others but he warned us to be careful in our judgements because we will be judge according to that same judgement. All the scriptures must be spiritually discerned.Do you think it might be possibly that you are misunderstanding Pauls teachings?
I believe that Pauls teachings are not seperate from the teachings of Christ but that they are Christ teaching through Paul.
 
Ok then question´s for you, if Paul didnt contridict the bible...

When ezekial said that sin isnt passed down, how can all be sinners? Due to adam and eve?
When Christ said that we should aim to be like our father God and to be purfect, How can we, if we are all under sin?
How can righteousness(right wise us) mean something diffrent to pauls interpretation if guided by God?
If Christ told us to be a light unto all, how can we? if Paul said do not mix with sinners or "what does light have to do with the dark"?
If God all ways appered all the way through the bible as a light, why then did Paul say that an angel of light buffeted him and was the devil?
Intrested to hear peoples thoughts
Peace B with U all
 
#1 Read the rules and abide by them please
http://www.talkjesus.com/showthread.php?t=53
You did not provide actual verses / scripture location as required by rules

#2 You have already made it clear of "your view" that you think canabis is acceptable. That explains enough. Please ask GOD in Jesus' name for wisdom and guidance and healing.
 
wizanda said:
Ok then maybe I should point out, that I am the angel spoke of with the small scroll.
I fufilled this 2 years before even reading the new testament, as God asked me to do it.
My name is in many religions, as fore told, zanda means the corn cutter who opens the strong door in ancient hebrew, It is also an english fish.
So the reason I posted that, is wisdom is the key, Love is the answer to understanding the ways of heaven.
As you can see from the people who said them things they were wise.
I could run through every reason as I am currently doing, so all can follow, it is just taking some time, so it is explained correctly with all scriptures for all the goats who like to argue over points.
Just wanted to see who was already true to God and Christ.

Are you serious? I certainly see deceived views from your end. And "all the goats who like to argue.."? Who are these goats? I hope you have a good explanation to such strange commments
 
Thx Chad i will try to abide by the rules
At present i am taking care of my grandad and haven´t access to a pc with a concordance, yet when i do i will confirm all i say, with relavant scriptures, sorry
As For the annointing oil, you will find if you do a search, you will find that the hebrew university officaly annonced this in 1980.
Also there is a site, THC ministry who are healing many illnesses as foretold that God would send a cure.
Yet dont believe me believe the facts for your self
The disciples in mark 6:13 were annointing people and healing them.
Sorry for being sent by God, to show people the way that was intended, yet not
explaining so all understand
As soon as i can i will and with many angels, i have seen through my life.
Also i will re-explain many of the scriptures as my father intended as many seem to be confused by them.
peace B with U
And may God bless you
 
wizanda said:
As For the annointing oil, you will find if you do a search, you will find that the hebrew university officaly annonced this in 1980.

I honestly do not care what any university says. I care for what GOD says in the bible. Never did I read GOD mentioning in the bible that the annointing oil is canabis and/or related to it in any way.

Re-read your first posts and your false accusations that Paul contradicted anything whatsoever. Then you will see that you are truly decieved and in need of guidance / wisdom from GOD not a university.

Paul wrote most of the Bible so what are you going to quote? Which verses? Anything he did not write I assume?
 
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