Politics or Spiritual Warfare?

[Hekuran]

I assure you that my heart is not closed. And question how you could possibly claim to know such a thing. I'm stating a fact that I've not seen anything in the sources you've posted that show protesters or even rioters taking advantage of the situation doing evil that exceeds the killing of an unarmed man by kneeling on his neck.

We are Christians. Facts and truthful statements are important. Question claims, find the sources of facts, don't take statements at face value. Don't tolerate falsehood.

When we base our opinions on falsehoods believing them to be true, it allows all kinds of evil to flourish.

 

[Trevor]

With all the political tension going on in the USA, rioting, protesting, looting and crazy demands from the liberals such as "defund the police", do you think this is all about racism and politics or more about spiritual warfare between good and evil?

For a start Chad, this is not just the U.S, it's world wide and it's insidious. The truth is being side-lined and untruth is being forced on the world. The God of this world, the father of lies, is making a play for the hearts and minds of the people, and he's doing it through fear and it is being funded by his disciples. This makes this, without a doubt spiritual. In Britain, a plane flew over a football ground towing a banner with 'white lives matter' printed on it, this happened while the teams were 'taking a knee' for black lives matter. The man has lost his job, been banned from the football club and vilified in the media, as has his girlfriend. If black lives matter, it stands to reason that white lives matter also, however, it seems that to say white lives matter, which they obviously do, is hate speech. As well as that, it is seriously being considering that the removal of historic statues with dubious history and any pictures depicting Jesus and his followers as white people are also in the frame. This is now becoming dangerous for believers, as this madness is starting to encroach on our beliefs. This to me, is for Christians, the most dangerous progression in this end time move. This I believe will herald the falling away spoken of in Matthew 24:10, At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. I sincerely believe, it is time for all true believers to brush up on Ephesians and learn all they can on spiritual warfare. bless you.

 

[Hekuran]

Football in England has long been a refuge for racism. I'm delighted that Burnley football club has taken a strong and public stand.

Flying a 'white lives matter' banner is a deliberately provocative and obstructive act. Let's not be naive about the agenda behind it.

 

[PloughBoy]

For a start Chad, this is not just the U.S, it's world wide and it's insidious. The truth is being side-lined and untruth is being forced on the world. The God of this world, the father of lies, is making a play for the hearts and minds of the people, and he's doing it through fear and it is being funded by his disciples. This makes this, without a doubt spiritual. In Britain, a plane flew over a football ground towing a banner with 'white lives matter' printed on it, this happened while the teams were 'taking a knee' for black lives matter. The man has lost his job, been banned from the football club and vilified in the media, as has his girlfriend. If black lives matter, it stands to reason that white lives matter also, however, it seems that to say white lives matter, which they obviously do, is hate speech. As well as that, it is seriously being considering that the removal of historic statues with dubious history and any pictures depicting Jesus and his followers as white people are also in the frame. This is now becoming dangerous for believers, as this madness is starting to encroach on our beliefs. This to me, is for Christians, the most dangerous progression in this end time move. This I believe will herald the falling away spoken of in Matthew 24:10, At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. I sincerely believe, it is time for all true believers to brush up on Ephesians and learn all they can on spiritual warfare. bless you.

For we know this is truth also, but not only we know this, we must also understand this and believe this:

New Living Translation
We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.
English Standard Version
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

"And men loves darkness rather than light", the whole work is in darkness! The world can never come to the light, "The Gospel of Jesus Christ" is liken to a mere "Flashlight" in a dark place. The whole world cannot see, and is not trying to see and do not want to see! Even some christians do not want to see, why, They still love this play ground! They still loves the pride of life! It is their nature!

This whole system belongs to the Evil one! He is not trying to corrupt anything! How can you corrupt something that is already corrupted.
The world has never gotten better, technology has. And why, a whole lot of christians cannot see that? Men love darkness more than light! They love the toys and trinkets, delicacies that the "Prince of this world" offers. Men and women loves bribes, and christians call their "bribes" gifts.

(Luke 4:6).
New International Version
And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.

New Living Translation
“I will give you the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them,” the devil said, “because they are mine to give to anyone I please.


(1 John 2:15).
New International Version
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.
New Living Translation
Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you.

Now I will end this with a Biblical "type and shadow" because there is only one thing right about this world, It has "The Word of God", for it lights up our path, that we might have a guide for our feet [because this world lies in darkness] real darkness this is not a metaphor.

"type and shadow" and this is not the work of the devil.
(Revelation 6).
3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

Please take note: i said a "type and shadow"! that is concerning the posted thread.

and to my brothers and sisters in Christ who don't understand the term: Biblical "type and shadow" be kind enough and look it up, for edification.

 

[Curtis]

1Jn 5:19 We know [positively] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one. (AMP)

The Lord God destroyed the ancient world with a flood because......

Gen 6:5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination and intention of all human thinking was only evil continually. (AMP)

Judgment is coming because there is no fear of God!

 

[Trevor]

Football in England has long been a refuge for racism. I'm delighted that Burnley football club has taken a strong and public stand.

Flying a 'white lives matter' banner is a deliberately provocative and obstructive act. Let's not be naive about the agenda behind it.

And you don't believe that B. L M and constant drip feed of the accusation of white privilege is provocative? There are many people who have never been racist, who are constantly being bombarded with accusations of 'white privilege', when many of them are financially going under because of corona virus. At the same time BLM are tearing down the infrastructure of the country. While we are watching what happens to white people in South Africa as they are being slaughtered and it is being encouraged by those in power and the media ignore it. If this country is so terrible, why are black people queuing to get here? The day will come when the fairies who pander to these rioters will rue the day.

 

[Hekuran]

And you don't believe that B. L M and constant drip feed of the accusation of white privilege is provocative? There are many people who have never been racist, who are constantly being bombarded with accusations of 'white privilege', when many of them are financially going under because of corona virus. At the same time BLM are tearing down the infrastructure of the country. While we are watching what happens to white people in South Africa as they are being slaughtered and it is being encouraged by those in power and the media ignore it. If this country is so terrible, why are black people queuing to get here? The day will come when the fairies who pander to these rioters will rue the day.

White priviege may not be the most helpful term, but it describes a living reality.

I'm white, and I can wander around in London at night wearing a hoodie without having to worry about being challenged by the police. My black friends can't do that -- they need to be constantly aware of how they are presenting themselves publicly. My children are also white, and are far less likely to encounter trouble just because of their skin colour.

Because I'm white, my voice is more easily heard and respected than my black brothers and sisters. It's easier for me to get a loan, progress in my career, make a complaint.

White privilege does not mean that I encounter no problems or that everything about my life smells of roses. It simply means that as I go through life I encounter less friction and turbulence than people from a black and ethnic minority background.

 

[Trevor]

To expand on post #46
As a Christian, I believe that we are in the last days and what is happening is prophetic. However, one doesn't put their hands into an open fire if there is a chance of getting burned. Even though we are not of this world, we live in it and as such it affects us, and we need to see it realistically and honestly. To close our eyes to the truth of what is happening is folly, we need to see it from an honest perspective. I can only speak from the point of view of an Englishman and how a Brit sees it. I live in a country that has always been welcoming, the proof of this, is the fact that several million people of ethnic minorities dwell here, and many more are queuing up to come here. Why? I would answer, because Britain is a country where people can be free and prosper. Proof of this is the fact that many black people hold positions of power and have thriving businesses. As in all communities, there are those who take advantage of the amenities available to them to prosper and those who do not and in the social mix of this country, the percentages in the various communities balance out. This being the case, why would there be reason for people to take to the streets to riot? There are people in this world who wish to destroy the fabric of society to gain power and they spend billions of pounds and dollars to do this. Their philosophy of divide and rule is their weapon and their money is the means by which they bring it about. They are attacking on all fronts, They have all but destroyed the sanctity of marriage, made the murder of children acceptable, made the truth of gender hate speech, made the the practices that are an abomination to God laudable, and socially side-lined the Truth of Jesus, to the point that they are moving to destroy the images that remind the world of his exitance. They are trying to bring about a New World Order where nation states no longer exist. the reason for this is to take away peoples pride in their countries and leave them with nothing to give them roots. There are those who are standing against them, in the U.S there is president Trump who encourages pride in their country and lifts up the name of Jesus in prayer. In Britain we have Nigel Farage. I believe there are others in various countries, but the media have been bought as have many politicians and are vilifying anyone who opposes the N.W.O . We are in the middle of a spiritual war and most of us are unaware of it. We need to wake up and smell the coffee, or we will be deceived. Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect -- if that were possible. To even contemplate deceiving the elect should cause us to consider the power of the enemy. We should not be complacent.

 

[Trevor]

White priviege may not be the most helpful term, but it describes a living reality.

I'm white, and I can wander around in London at night wearing a hoodie without having to worry about being challenged by the police. My black friends can't do that -- they need to be constantly aware of how they are presenting themselves publicly. My children are also white, and are far less likely to encounter trouble just because of their skin colour.

Because I'm white, my voice is more easily heard and respected than my black brothers and sisters. It's easier for me to get a loan, progress in my career, make a complaint.

White privilege does not mean that I encounter no problems or that everything about my life smells of roses. It simply means that as I go through life I encounter less friction and turbulence than people from a black and ethnic minority background.

Most white people when stopped by the police, have a different attitude than the black people have Hekuran, who are brought up believing that the police hate them and are encouraged by their piers to react aggressively, and also, the antisocial fashions and the anti white rap music and dialect doesn't help endear them to businessmen who wish to employ people. I have met many friendly black people but I have also met many who are antagonistic and threatening. And what are people meant to think, when many of our young girls are being groomed and raped by men of colour, many citizens are having their mobile phones and wallets torn out of their hands by young black men on mopeds not to mention black on black murders that regularly happen. all the while people like Diane Abbot and David Lammy, privileged black politicians are crying racists at the populace. And all we hear is Black lives matter, but when a person dares to remind us that white lives also matter, it's hate speech. Give me a break!!!

 

[Hekuran]

Direct question @Trevor, as simple as I can make it. Do you deny that due to the colour of their skin black people are at a disadvantage in Britain?

 

[Dave M]

direct Question @Hekuran do you believe the left liberal media is using racism to divide and to cause lawlessness?

 

[Trevor]

Direct question @Trevor, as simple as I can make it. Do you deny that due to the colour of their skin black people are at a disadvantage in Britain?

I do believe that many black people are disadvataged in Britain Hekuran, but I believe that much of the problem, is of their own making. The black community originally emigrated to this country from diverse cultures, each having their own cultural norms. Britain has it's own culture and works through it's own parameters. When a person of a different culture enters a country that is already established, to succeed in the host culture, a person has to adapt and conform to the ways of the host, as in (when in Rome do as the Romans do). Many coloured immigrants adapt when they enter our country, hence the many doctors, nurses, baristers lawyers and politicians etc.. These people had a harder job succeeding in their professions, owing to the fact that they first had to disengage from much of their own ethnic culture to blend into the host culture (compromise). However many people from ethnic cultures rebel against, and resent, the host culture, causing them to exaggerate their own cultural customs and use them to seperate themselves from the host and the authorities that serves them. This does them no favours when seeking employment and so this declines into a gheto situation, causes resentment and anger resulting in Black Lives Matter and the claim of white privilege. The black politicians, who gain most of their votes from the black community, feed this alienation to their own ends and their shame.

 

[Hekuran]

OK. I get it now thanks. There is racism, but it's the fault of the victims, not the perpetrators.

 

[Trevor]

OK. I get it now thanks. There is racism, but it's the fault of the victims, not the perpetrators.

OK Hekuran, Point out where all this raceism is, are you saying that all white people are raceist? There were white people in the marches. Are you saying that there is no raceism from black to white? Listen to Diane Abbot and David Lammy.

 

[Hekuran]

direct Question @Hekuran do you believe the left liberal media is using racism to divide and to cause lawlessness?

No.

 

[Dave M]

No.

I appreciate your straight to the point answer
brother I know you are a sincere man and Love God,
so I say this with a humble spirit and a loving heart... we will have to disagree on this one.
Please pray for us both to receive the gift of discernment beyond our years. I will also be praying for this

 

[PloughBoy]

i going to say this, why are you so easy being sucker in. If people are not "born from above" they are "DEAD" in trespasses and SIN. ALL of them are Evil, every last one of them! All of them, the Devil is their father, they are nothing but a bunch of deceivers from the "Institutional church" all away down to the grave.
This is their world, it is not yours! all of this world is wicked. Most of us [christians] has been so polluted by this world, and we cannot smell the stench that stick to our very being. "You hang around Garbage, you smell like Garbage" and we refused to "come out from among them", "Bad company corrupts good morals", The world does not have Godly morals, neither do they want them. " little leaven spoils the whole lump". "fighting among yourselves" about the things of the world" Take a long look in the mirror. Child of God, you will not be able to hold your head up. Let the world be the world, You are suppose to let the world know you do not love it and everything that is in it. For all their practices are evil, and the best of you is covered in "deception"!

 

[PloughBoy]

My Verdict: True Christians stay out of "Politics" and the hands on "Political Arena" and do pray for Your Governmental Officials that they make come to "Christ"! That is where i stand. and I not demanding or instructing others to follow. God gave you a mind and His word too!

I' am going to try to do what "Jesus, through His Word, told me to do! And i am not taking no instructions from any man or woman pertaining to this case.
And that is what i call "Spiritual Warfare" and the only way you can fight in a "Spiritual War" you must have A "Spiritual Weapon" and clothe with "Spiritual Equipment" and Skilled so well, "that the living and the dead and the unborn, couldn't doing any better!

 

[Brad Huber]

Did bad company corrupt Christ? Who's spirit resides in you, and why are you so easily corruptible? What you call politics is nothing less then the moral police who want you to give in to the corruption of daily changing morals. When you have the chance to help bring about laws that are more moral and capable of promoting order and peace, you would rather hide your talent in the ground and be too afraid to speak the truth about morals, and where they come from and why they are laws to live by. Would you rather live under the laws that allowed Israel to be massively corrupted and led astray?

 

[Trevor]

Did bad company corrupt Christ? Who's spirit resides in you, and why are you so easily corruptible? What you call politics is nothing less then the moral police who want you to give in to the corruption of daily changing morals. When you have the chance to help bring about laws that are more moral and capable of promoting order and peace, you would rather hide your talent in the ground and be too afraid to speak the truth about morals, and where they come from and why they are laws to live by. Would you rather live under the laws that allowed Israel to be massively corrupted and led astray?

Romans 13:1-2 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. the authorities that exist have been established by God, Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves. 1 Timothy 2:2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people, for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
If Israel is being corrupted and led astray, maybe it's because to many people are condemning them, rather than praying for them.