The Scriptures said Christ died, was buried in a tomb and was resurrected to life on the third day, it did not say Jesus went to hell in our place.
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The Scriptures said Christ died, was buried in a tomb and was resurrected to life on the third day, it did not say Jesus went to hell in our place.
Take a look at Acts 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. " vs 32 "This Jesus , God has raised up,of which we are all witnesses."
And then, Romans 10:6-7 "But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, "Who will ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above) vs 7 "or, 'Who will scend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)
And Ephesians 4: 7 - 9 "(Now this, He ascended ) -- what does it mean but that he also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?"
Before the cross -- we died in our sins -- Because of the cross -- ( Jesus Christ took all of our sins upon Himself. He died with them and went to hell For us. In our place.) and the bodily resurrection -- we Now have salvation made possible.
Jesus Christ went to the Hadees side of Abraham's bosom with our sins. Then He Also went to the Paradise section and brought those believers back up with Him.
There's now no need for Anyone to die in their sins.
And then, Romans 10:6-7 "But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, "Who will ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above) vs 7 "or, 'Who will scend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)
And Ephesians 4: 7 - 9 "(Now this, He ascended ) -- what does it mean but that he also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?"
Before the cross -- we died in our sins -- Because of the cross -- ( Jesus Christ took all of our sins upon Himself. He died with them and went to hell For us. In our place.) and the bodily resurrection -- we Now have salvation made possible.
Jesus Christ went to the Hadees side of Abraham's bosom with our sins. Then He Also went to the Paradise section and brought those believers back up with Him.
There's now no need for Anyone to die in their sins.
Jesus having two natures while He walked the earth is unbiblical. Look at how Jesus’ apostles talked about Him. Not once did His apostles said He was God-Man, as having two natures. Rather Paul wrote this to Timothy:
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)
Where did Paul or the other apostles ever teach that Jesus had two natures? Nowhere!
Jesus having two natures sounds more like gnostic heresy. This heresy when it first started out denied that Jesus came in the flesh, teaching that Jesus only appeared to be flesh etc and apostle John said such a spirit is of the antichrist. If we believe that Jesus was God-Man, and that He had deity in Him apart from the Spirit of God that was in Him, then we can be led to believe in the false doctrine that we can never overcome sin like Jesus did because He had a God nature even as a Man. Furthermore, we will be led to believe that He can never sin because He had the God nature in Him already. That again is false because Jesus was indeed tempted like all humans are, yet was without sin, according to the Gospel. If He had a God nature in Him on top of His manhood, that God nature would have made Him immune to sinning because God cannot even be tempted. Why then did Satan even try to tempt Jesus? The truth is Jesus needed the Spirit of God in Him to overcome temptations because He did not have a God nature in Him that made Him immune to sinning.
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)
Where did Paul or the other apostles ever teach that Jesus had two natures? Nowhere!
Jesus having two natures sounds more like gnostic heresy. This heresy when it first started out denied that Jesus came in the flesh, teaching that Jesus only appeared to be flesh etc and apostle John said such a spirit is of the antichrist. If we believe that Jesus was God-Man, and that He had deity in Him apart from the Spirit of God that was in Him, then we can be led to believe in the false doctrine that we can never overcome sin like Jesus did because He had a God nature even as a Man. Furthermore, we will be led to believe that He can never sin because He had the God nature in Him already. That again is false because Jesus was indeed tempted like all humans are, yet was without sin, according to the Gospel. If He had a God nature in Him on top of His manhood, that God nature would have made Him immune to sinning because God cannot even be tempted. Why then did Satan even try to tempt Jesus? The truth is Jesus needed the Spirit of God in Him to overcome temptations because He did not have a God nature in Him that made Him immune to sinning.
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Have you ever sinned? If you have then what part of you sins?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The "seed" (the Word of God) by which all Christians are born again is Christ himself! Christ in you can not sin because God never sins, but we do sin, and when we do, it is because of our old human nature with its sinful fleshly desires. The Apostle Paul said to "put on the new man..."(Eph 4:24) What do we do with the "old man" (old nature)?
Col 3:9 Don’t lie to each other, for you have stripped off your old sinful nature and all its wicked deeds.
Col 3:10 Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him.(NLT)
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Scripture tells us He had two natures Because of the virgin birth -- the Holy Spirit came upon the virgin Mary and she conceived and gave birth to Jesus. Mary was a human being / human nature and the Holy Spirit was deity / divine nature. So Jesus Christ was Both. God and Man.
When I talk about hell I mean the lake of fire, Jesus never went to the lake of fire in our place and the verses you quoted don’t say so either.
Please explain why then did Paul wrote that Jesus was Man rather than God-Man in his letter to Timothy?
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)
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Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (KJV)
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (KJV)
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (KJV)
If Jesus has the keys of "hell" and of death, how do suppose he got them?
1 John 3:9 is talking about true born again Christians and how they cannot live a lifestyle of active sinning. Since I have been born again I don’t practise sin, exactly like John taught.
I am talking about Jesus when He walked the earth as a Man, those verses you quoted are about Jesus living in us now after He was resurrected in the Spirit.
All humans, whether a Christian or not, go to Hades/Hell upon physical death. This place is not the same as the lake of fire. When Jesus died, He went there as well. But Scriptures did not say He went there in our place. Key word is in our place. The Scriptures both of you quoted only said that God did not leave Jesus in Hades. Why do people read meaning into a text that was never there?
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No Christain goes to Hades/hell upon physical death they awake in the Kingdom of God that God has already translated them into!
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Furthermore if you want to prove that Jesus was God and Man at the same time using these Scriptures, you falsely allude that now somehow all Christians are deity and flesh at the same time just because we have the Spirit of God in us. But that is false. Christians are all mortal, void of deity and remain mortal on this earth even after they are born again!
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1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Again you read meaning into text that was never there. That Scripture never talked about where Christians go after physical death. It never even mentioned physical death!
If Christians go straight to heaven at the moment of their physical death, why then did Paul said there will be a future resurrection of those DEAD IN CHRIST when they are already in heaven as you false believe?
“With a shout of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of God's trumpet, the Lord himself will come down from heaven, and the dead who belong to the Messiah will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
Clearly they are not in heaven when they died or else why resurrect them from the dead AGAIN? Your beliefs are false!
We have NOT received eternal life yet because that is a future event! So no Christian is deity even when they are born again in the Spirit because we are still flesh and only flesh on this earth! Jesus was fully and only Man when He walked the earth, even when He had the Spirit of God in Him!
When a person does accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior they do not become deity. The Holy Spirit immediately indwells that person -- their soul is safe until they are with Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was fully deity and fully human while He was in this world. He did not need the Holy Spirit within Him,
Jesus Christ Became our salvation by dying on the cross - shedding His blood on the cross for our sins.
Our salvation will be complete when we are with Jesus Christ either upon our death or when the rapture of the Church takes place.
Until Then, we are to be growing spiritually in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And Hadees is different from the lake of fire and brimstone. hadees is where the dead non-believers are waiting for the final judgement. Then those in Hadees will be cast into that lake.
Scripture Does say that when Jesus Christ ascended back up to heaven after His bodily resurrection and according to John 14 -- is preparing a place for us in heaven. When a believer dies, they are immediately with Him and then in the future -- there will be a 1,000 yr reign of Christ here on earth and Then there will be the final judgement of all. And Then there Will be the New Jerusalem being brought down from heaven by God. And He will be dwelling on the new heaven / earth.
That is per book of Revelation the last few chapters.
These beliefs are Not false -- Jesus Christ tells us that "I am the way,the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, but by Me." John 14:6.
Your bio info says you're from China -- but you could live anywhere. Read your Bible.
Jesus Christ was fully deity and fully human while He was in this world. He did not need the Holy Spirit within Him,
Jesus Christ Became our salvation by dying on the cross - shedding His blood on the cross for our sins.
Our salvation will be complete when we are with Jesus Christ either upon our death or when the rapture of the Church takes place.
Until Then, we are to be growing spiritually in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And Hadees is different from the lake of fire and brimstone. hadees is where the dead non-believers are waiting for the final judgement. Then those in Hadees will be cast into that lake.
Scripture Does say that when Jesus Christ ascended back up to heaven after His bodily resurrection and according to John 14 -- is preparing a place for us in heaven. When a believer dies, they are immediately with Him and then in the future -- there will be a 1,000 yr reign of Christ here on earth and Then there will be the final judgement of all. And Then there Will be the New Jerusalem being brought down from heaven by God. And He will be dwelling on the new heaven / earth.
That is per book of Revelation the last few chapters.
These beliefs are Not false -- Jesus Christ tells us that "I am the way,the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, but by Me." John 14:6.
Your bio info says you're from China -- but you could live anywhere. Read your Bible.
Jesus does not need the Holy Spirit within Him? I already quoted Scriptures that the Spirit of God came upon Him after He came out of the water. Jesus said also He drove out evil spirits by the Spirit of God.
I am surprised you can deny this truth in light of the Scriptures.
This is the last time I will reply in defense of what the Gospel actually teaches. You claim Jesus was fully deity and man. Please explain why then did Paul wrote that Jesus was Man rather than God-Man in his letter to Timothy?
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)
Why did Paul not teach that Jesus was both fully deity and fully man? If what you said is true, that verse should then be changed to God-Man but clearly it says the MAN Christ Jesus, which means Jesus was only flesh when He came in the flesh.
Even in Acts, the apostle Peter spoke to the masses, calling Jesus a MAN rather than God-Man. Not one apostle taught that Jesus was both deity and human.
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know” (Acts 2:22 New King James)
Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a MAN accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. (Acts 2:22 NIV)
Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— (Acts 2:22 ESV)
Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a MAN attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--
(Acts 2:22 NET Bible)
Fellow Israelis, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a MAN authenticated to you by God through miracles, wonders, and signs that God performed through him among you, as you yourselves know. (Acts 2:22 ISV)
Will you now deny what the Gospel plainly writes in order to support a false teaching?
I don’t see why this refute of false teachings has any bearing on where I live. I am a Chinese whether you want to believe it or not.
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Not one apostle taught that Jesus was both divine and human during His time as a Man on earth. Why won’t people just stick to the simple Gospel? Jesus walked as a Man means He was only a Man, not a Man with a hidden divine nature somewhere. That is extra-biblical and false teaching. Jesus was originally divine, the Word of God, but that was before He came in the flesh! He was indeed the great I Am of the OT but that again was before He came in the flesh! When He came in the flesh as a Man it is clear He no longer had divinity as part of His nature, which is why He was called a Man by all His apostles! Not a single apostle said Jesus had a divine nature hidden inside His flesh! Why is this simple truth so hard to grasp?
