Predestined?

[Curtis]

Men remain as flesh.

What happens to the spirit in man when his physical body dies?

 

[Curtis]

Inside Jesus Christ, physical body was there a spirit, and if there was what spirit was that?

 

[Enxu]

Job 32:8 But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.

You do know the spirit in man is not made up of flesh and blood...right?

So? Just because there is the breath of the Almighty, just because there is the spirit in every man does not mean man can declare himself as God. Are you saying you and I are gods now by the presence of the spirit in us?

 

[Curtis]

So? Just because there is the breath of the Almighty, just because there is the spirit in every man does not mean man can declare himself as God. Are you saying you and I are gods now?

We are sons of God because the Son of God lives inside of us. We are not God. What spirit was living inside Jesus?

 

[Curtis]

just because there is the spirit in every man does not mean man can declare himself as God

Only Jesus could make that claim!

 

[Enxu]

We are sons of God because the Son of God lives inside of us. We are not God. What spirit was living inside Jesus?

If you want me to answer your question answer mine: have we become spirits (gods) now according to Job which you quoted?

 

[Curtis]

If you want me to answer your question answer mine: have we become spirits (gods) now according to Job which you quoted?

Spirits are not gods, they are living beings! Just because someone has God living inside them does not make them God!

 

[Enxu]

Only Jesus could make that claim!

He certainly did not make the claim He was Spirit (God) when He was in the flesh. In fact He kept calling Himself the Son of Man, and as the first to be born again in the Spirit He also called Himself the Son of God but not once was He in the form of a Spirit (God) as a Man! Heretics made that claim in order to deny His humanity. And you are under the spell of the same antichrist spirit that deceived them!

 

[Enxu]

Just because someone has God living inside them does not make them God!

Yet you claim Jesus the Man was God because God the Father lived inside Him! You contradict yourself when you make your claim about Jesus who was fully Man on earth!

 

[Curtis]

Yet you claim Jesus the Man was God because God the Father lived inside Him! You contradict yourself when you make your claim about Jesus who was fully Man on earth!

You are missing the fact that Jesus Christ who is God is NOT God the Father who was living inside of him. You are also missing God the Holy Spirit that was upon Jesus.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit all working together for man's salvation!

I am a spirit person living inside a physical body, and within my spirit, Jesus Christ lives who himself is God! My spirit is not God, I only contain God!

Only Jesus can claim himself to be God because within himself (His Spirit who is God) God the Father was living!

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Sister, @Enxu
Stop with tossing the word heretical around please. Your belief could just as easily be seen as being heretical to those you are communicating with, but are they calling you "Heretic"? I haven't read each and every word on this thread, but I don't believe they have. Using such words do nothing to further your position on this subject, or enlightenment for a greater understanding by those who are reading your words.

However, if communicating the subject of the divinity of Christ is difficult for you to communicate without using such trigger words. Then may I suggest you move on to another thread/topic please.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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P.S. If I've missed anyone here who has called Sister Enxu a heretic, please cease to do so!

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Sister, @Enxu
I have a question for you. Which of course will probably lead to others.

What is the difference between Jesus & Peter healing of people?

With the of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Butch5]

It seems a lot transpired while I was gone. To clear up the matter of spirit, let's define it. The Greek and Hebrew words that are translated spirit mean wind or breath. The English word spirit is a figurative usage of the Greek, pnoe and pneuma, and the Hebrew words neshamah and ruach. These words all mean wind. So, when you see them translated as spirit, you are looking at a figure of speech. There is a lot of confusion that comes from translating them as spirit. The reason is that the English word spirit has the definition of a disembodied living being. However, the Greek and Hebrew words mean no such thing. What's happening is that people are reading this English definition into these Greek and Hebrew words and are getting confused. The best thing to do is to never translate these words as spirit, but rather as wind or breath which is what they mean and then let the reader decide if it's figurative or literal. Wind or breath are the best definitions for these Greek and Hebrew words.

 

[Curtis]

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (KJV)

 

[Curtis]

It seems a lot transpired while I was gone. To clear up the matter of spirit, let's define it. The Greek and Hebrew words that are translated spirit mean wind or breath. The English word spirit is a figurative usage of the Greek, pnoe and pneuma, and the Hebrew words neshamah and ruach. These words all mean wind. So, when you see them translated as spirit, you are looking at a figure of speech. There is a lot of confusion that comes from translating them as spirit. The reason is that the English word spirit has the definition of a disembodied living being. However, the Greek and Hebrew words mean no such thing. What's happening is that people are reading this English definition into these Greek and Hebrew words and are getting confused. The best thing to do is to never translate these words as spirit, but rather as wind or breath which is what they mean and then let the reader decide if it's figurative or literal. Wind or breath are the best definitions for these Greek and Hebrew words.

The problem with that kind of thinking is that leaves out the Holy Spirit who is the one that actually teaches us. While Greek and Hebrew dictionaries are good (I use them all the time) they are no replacement for revelation by the Spirit of God.

 

[Butch5]

It is appalling how these people cannot see the contradiction and confusion of their own beliefs. Even now I am given verses like 1 Timothy 3:16 as defense of the false teaching that Jesus was simultaneously God and man during His time as a Man.

So somehow God manifested in the flesh and yet remained as God, seriously? So is Jesus truly flesh when He remained as God, whom the Scriptures say is Spirit? How can Jesus be flesh and Spirit (God) at the same time?? That is exactly what they believe, but they don’t see the confusion. They fail to see that they are believing in a variation of the gnostic heresy that teach Jesus was a Spirit that only appeared to be flesh. Thus they unknowingly deny that Jesus truly came in the flesh and they instead believe Jesus remained as Spirit (ie. God) while walking the earth. Truly the spirit of deception, the spirit of antichrist that deny Jesus as coming in the flesh, mentioned by apostle John had blinded their minds.

Hi Enxu,

I think a lot of it has to do with presuppositions. People become Christians and they're "taught" what the Bible says. People learn at churches and from other Christians before they begin to study the Bible for themselves. When they do begin to study they already have presuppositions based on what they were taught. It's through these presuppositions that they filter the text they read. I used to believe some of these same things and had many of the same presuppositions. It's by putting them aside and looking strictly at the text that I began to see the errors of the teachings that I had been taught. Once I saw this I looked at everything I believed. No doctrine was off limits. Many of those doctrines couldn't stand in light of Scripture and I got rid of them. Until one is ready to set aside their presuppositions they're not likely to see things any other way.

 

[Butch5]

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (KJV)

Is that in them individually or as a collective group?

 

[Sue D.]

@Enxu -- are you a born-again believer?

the Gospels teach that Jesus Christ came in the flesh -- He was born as a baby. You seem to have a hard time with the concept of 'God incarnate' -- God being here in the form of a man. The Son of God / Jesus. God Is Spirit,. It is the Holy Spirit part of the Godhead who comes to indwell each believer at the time of their salvation.

Each believer's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit,. So -- when believers get together -- the Holy Spirit is in the midst of them. Where two or more are gathered together in my Name -- there I am in the midst of them. Corporate worship. Or worshiping God by yourself. Or with another person.

 

[Butch5]

The problem with that kind of thinking is that leaves out the Holy Spirit who is the one that actually teaches us. While Greek and Hebrew dictionaries are good (I use them all the time) they are no replacement for revelation by the Spirit of God.

It's not a kind of thinking. It's literally what the words mean. The Greek and Hebrew words in no way have the concept of a disembodied living being. That idea is imposed on the text, it's one of the reasons so many are so confused. It's where people get the idea that they are a "spirit" being living in a flesh body. That is actually a belief that was common among the Greeks in Jesus' day. It was also behind the whole idea of going to Heaven. The Gnositcs were a group that combined Christian doctrine with Greek philosophy. The Gnostics saw the flesh as inherently evil and the their goal was for their spirit/soul to escape the body and ascend into the heavens. The Greeks also sought to flee the body and ascend into the heavens. This is why they rejected Paul and the resurrection at Mars Hill. Their thinking was if the flesh was inherently evil why would anyone want to be resurrected.

These Greek and Hebrew words shouldn't be translated using the English word spirit because the English readers read a concept into the Greek and Hebrew words that simply is not there.

 

[Curtis]

Is that in them individually or as a collective group?

One of the hardest lessons to learn is how God is. Does God have a body? Yes, he does! What kind of body does God have?

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

This is a warning to the Church by the Apostle Paul that some will be "taken captive", through "vain deceit", "the traditions of men" "philosophy" "the "rudiments of this world", and not after Christ! As the Word "Christ" means "anointing" which is what teaches us about God himself. (1 John 2:27)

No amount of logical analytical study could ever yield an understanding of spiritual things, because they are natural and logical, not spiritual.

The very next verse which is speaking about Christ is....

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus Christ who is the Word of God (who became flesh) is God's body!!! In Jesus Christ lives all of the fullness of the Godhead bodily!!

If Jesus is living inside you than you have all the fulness of the Godhead living inside of you!!! Most believers do not know this, or they know it but do not believe it!

Not only is God in his fulness living inside every believer, the very next verse tells us this.....

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

God in us, and we in God!!!

Do not trust me, look it up yourself.