Pretribulation Rapture?
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Pre-trib is a sound biblical teaching, it can be found in a couple of proof text - "We're not appointed to the wrath of God;" "The Antichrist will be revealed when He (the Holy Spirit) that restrains is removed;" "I will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." The most evident verses are the Great Multitude in heaven, and Rev. 12:12 is the final nail in the coffin - "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and all who dwell in them, but woe to the inhabitants of the sea and the earth!"
The problem is in the concept of "rapture", dispensationalists and some of you guys are making too big of a deal off of it. All these verses mentioned above simply indicate that God's people will be GONE before the Great Tribulation, but there's no such a guarantee or promise that we'll be "snatched" or "ascending", that's your own wishful thinking to cheat death. The only guarantee or promise is that, either long before or right before the Great Tribulation, we'll be be six feet under by then and awaiting for the final resurrection. Death and tax are still the two absolute certainties.
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Yep, the problem, is to many people have read and believe what other men have said about the Bible and they have not read the Bible after they had been converted. 1st.
And so, What many have put together concerning the scriptures, have supersedes the Collective books Homiletically arraigned, concerning the text in question.
I thank “GOD” I read my Bible 3 to 4 times straight through before I even heard the terms “Rapture or Eschatology, and I have never read a book about The Rapuure “Hal Iindsey” and all the other Linseys!
In later years I learn the terminology describe in “ISBE” which is “UNIVERSAL”
I just read my Bible straight through and about the third time I got it. And I didn’t not think no more about it.
And I thought All Christian’s got saved like I did, and all Christian’s knew the Bible By Heart! I really did!
I was dumb,
within a year I was going to know my Bible “NSRB” copyright 1967 by heart, every word and new replacement words concerning the English language, “The Oxford Edition” because I did not like The Reading style of The Cambridge Edition.
I was going to know each Committee member on Staff who combine The 1611 “AV”. Their Speciality.
I did learn who they were too! They Were not Bias,by design.
They did what they were commanded to do by”kIng James and [the pope and Puritans] and king James was Not a Christian he was not even saved.
He was King.
And The Plot thickens. This stuff started to get good, I recheck myself, I proof read, I recheck reliable sourses in Italy’s libraries, oxfords, the Scholars educational schools.
I did my homework. It took maybe a year to study the makings of The “AV” 1611. Plus my reading of The text. Each day, 6 days of The Week was like a day in school.
In the Beginning I did not need a school to do this.
Each day I study:
A few hours in memory
Then a few hours in The OT
History
Prophets
Wisdom and Poety
Definitions
Then systematically reading The Book.
Next day the same but “NT”Gospels
epistiles
Memory
Continually reading the book
Next day repeat.
By the time the book reading is finish I have read the new testament so many times the pages have no more ink on them!
Then the next day.
I was dumb as a box a rocks about Christian’s !
They schooled me real good, they like to destroyed me and my family. Multiples churches “Baptist’ Methodist, pentecostals, I am not speaking about individual churches the whole collective of each denominations!
“The Off Springs of The Roman Catholic Church”
Every last one of them are The ROMAN CATHOLIC Children! They act just like their mama! Just liked her In every Aspect just on a smaller scale!
And As MartinLither’s great Quote about her is so true!
“The Institutionlize Church is a Great_____and she is My Mother. And I Love Her because if it was not for her, I would have never known Jesus”
I study the Roman Empire.
I Study the Greek empire.
I study the Popacy!
Now That was A Big Eye opener! And I Proof read about it! That took about 70 hours of study, Then I got it!
There was some good popes But, Like “Israel and Judah” If I can remember from Biblical History there were only Two good kings out of Them All!
Some start off alright, but They did not end all right!
There was only two who where good kings! If I remember right and want say their names but I am not sure, it has been a long time when I have Isolated them out.
And David or Solomon where good kings, they were not good kings!
That is what I mean when many have not read the Bible as a book before others have made them bias concerning characters portrayed in the Bible!
Example:
The Christian’s says: King David was a good king, He was Man after GOD’s own Heart!
Plain and simple if you are familiar with the book and read the Bible as a book before being polluted by other men Assessments about king David you would know he was Not a Good King! Neither was “SOLOMON”!
And I am not going to argue about it.
WOW that is a Short Story”
I will not complain.
And so, What many have put together concerning the scriptures, have supersedes the Collective books Homiletically arraigned, concerning the text in question.
I thank “GOD” I read my Bible 3 to 4 times straight through before I even heard the terms “Rapture or Eschatology, and I have never read a book about The Rapuure “Hal Iindsey” and all the other Linseys!
In later years I learn the terminology describe in “ISBE” which is “UNIVERSAL”
I just read my Bible straight through and about the third time I got it. And I didn’t not think no more about it.
And I thought All Christian’s got saved like I did, and all Christian’s knew the Bible By Heart! I really did!
I was dumb,
within a year I was going to know my Bible “NSRB” copyright 1967 by heart, every word and new replacement words concerning the English language, “The Oxford Edition” because I did not like The Reading style of The Cambridge Edition.
I was going to know each Committee member on Staff who combine The 1611 “AV”. Their Speciality.
I did learn who they were too! They Were not Bias,by design.
They did what they were commanded to do by”kIng James and [the pope and Puritans] and king James was Not a Christian he was not even saved.
He was King.
And The Plot thickens. This stuff started to get good, I recheck myself, I proof read, I recheck reliable sourses in Italy’s libraries, oxfords, the Scholars educational schools.
I did my homework. It took maybe a year to study the makings of The “AV” 1611. Plus my reading of The text. Each day, 6 days of The Week was like a day in school.
In the Beginning I did not need a school to do this.
Each day I study:
A few hours in memory
Then a few hours in The OT
History
Prophets
Wisdom and Poety
Definitions
Then systematically reading The Book.
Next day the same but “NT”Gospels
epistiles
Memory
Continually reading the book
Next day repeat.
By the time the book reading is finish I have read the new testament so many times the pages have no more ink on them!
Then the next day.
I was dumb as a box a rocks about Christian’s !
They schooled me real good, they like to destroyed me and my family. Multiples churches “Baptist’ Methodist, pentecostals, I am not speaking about individual churches the whole collective of each denominations!
“The Off Springs of The Roman Catholic Church”
Every last one of them are The ROMAN CATHOLIC Children! They act just like their mama! Just liked her In every Aspect just on a smaller scale!
And As MartinLither’s great Quote about her is so true!
“The Institutionlize Church is a Great_____and she is My Mother. And I Love Her because if it was not for her, I would have never known Jesus”
I study the Roman Empire.
I Study the Greek empire.
I study the Popacy!
Now That was A Big Eye opener! And I Proof read about it! That took about 70 hours of study, Then I got it!
There was some good popes But, Like “Israel and Judah” If I can remember from Biblical History there were only Two good kings out of Them All!
Some start off alright, but They did not end all right!
There was only two who where good kings! If I remember right and want say their names but I am not sure, it has been a long time when I have Isolated them out.
And David or Solomon where good kings, they were not good kings!
That is what I mean when many have not read the Bible as a book before others have made them bias concerning characters portrayed in the Bible!
Example:
The Christian’s says: King David was a good king, He was Man after GOD’s own Heart!
Plain and simple if you are familiar with the book and read the Bible as a book before being polluted by other men Assessments about king David you would know he was Not a Good King! Neither was “SOLOMON”!
And I am not going to argue about it.
WOW that is a Short Story”
I will not complain.
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Eschatology is legit, "capture the rapture" though is a sales pitch.
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That was ove 40 years ago I think I have come Avery very very very long way now from that date, and over a Million pages later, would you think.
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These are your quotes ...
"The problem is in the concept of "rapture", dispensationalists and some of you guys are making too big of a deal off of it. All these verses mentioned above simply indicate that God's people will be GONE before the Great Tribulation"
To whom does this apply to?
"We're not appointed to the wrath of God"
Again, to whom is this applying to?
"I will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."
...............
This didnt work out too well for Christians in China, or in Russia even to the present. At least in the concept you are claiming.
If we use the scripture to show us how God expects us to deal with all calamities, all judgements. Then we are to note, WE LIVE THROUGH THEM. great examples of this, First , Jesus Himself. Didn't run away to Heaven, but endured the cross for us.
After the birth of Jesus, God sends Jesus , Mary and Joseph to where? Heven? No. .... to Egypt, to escape the slaughter of the children.
Noah, built an Ark. Went through God's judgement. Yet God kept him safe through it all.
Moses, with the Israelites, God kept his children safe. Yet they lived through it, they walked out of Egypt. And then God took them through the desert for 40 years. All the time God kept them safe.
In every single event God kept his people safe yet they always walked through it.
So I think my evidence of the children of God walking through and staying on the planet is more outstanding than your sentences because your sentences apply to what I am talking about too
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Even the most learned miss things, like losing your salvation.Yep, the problem, is to many people have read and believe what other men have said about the Bible and they have not read the Bible after they had been converted. 1st.
And so, What many have put together concerning the scriptures, have supersedes the Collective books Homiletically arraigned, concerning the text in question.
I thank “GOD” I read my Bible 3 to 4 times straight through before I even heard the terms “Rapture or Eschatology, and I have never read a book about The Rapuure “Hal Iindsey” and all the other Linseys!
In later years I learn the terminology describe in “ISBE” which is “UNIVERSAL”
I just read my Bible straight through and about the third time I got it. And I didn’t not think no more about it.
And I thought All Christian’s got saved like I did, and all Christian’s knew the Bible By Heart! I really did!
I was dumb,
within a year I was going to know my Bible “NSRB” copyright 1967 by heart, every word and new replacement words concerning the English language, “The Oxford Edition” because I did not like The Reading style of The Cambridge Edition.
I was going to know each Committee member on Staff who combine The 1611 “AV”. Their Speciality.
I did learn who they were too! They Were not Bias,by design.
They did what they were commanded to do by”kIng James and [the pope and Puritans] and king James was Not a Christian he was not even saved.
He was King.
And The Plot thickens. This stuff started to get good, I recheck myself, I proof read, I recheck reliable sourses in Italy’s libraries, oxfords, the Scholars educational schools.
I did my homework. It took maybe a year to study the makings of The “AV” 1611. Plus my reading of The text. Each day, 6 days of The Week was like a day in school.
In the Beginning I did not need a school to do this.
Each day I study:
A few hours in memory
Then a few hours in The OT
History
Prophets
Wisdom and Poety
Definitions
Then systematically reading The Book.
Next day the same but “NT”Gospels
epistiles
Memory
Continually reading the book
Next day repeat.
By the time the book reading is finish I have read the new testament so many times the pages have no more ink on them!
Then the next day.
I was dumb as a box a rocks about Christian’s !
They schooled me real good, they like to destroyed me and my family. Multiples churches “Baptist’ Methodist, pentecostals, I am not speaking about individual churches the whole collective of each denominations!
“The Off Springs of The Roman Catholic Church”
Every last one of them are The ROMAN CATHOLIC Children! They act just like their mama! Just liked her In every Aspect just on a smaller scale!
And As MartinLither’s great Quote about her is so true!
“The Institutionlize Church is a Great_____and she is My Mother. And I Love Her because if it was not for her, I would have never known Jesus”
I study the Roman Empire.
I Study the Greek empire.
I study the Popacy!
Now That was A Big Eye opener! And I Proof read about it! That took about 70 hours of study, Then I got it!
There was some good popes But, Like “Israel and Judah” If I can remember from Biblical History there were only Two good kings out of Them All!
Some start off alright, but They did not end all right!
There was only two who where good kings! If I remember right and want say their names but I am not sure, it has been a long time when I have Isolated them out.
And David or Solomon where good kings, they were not good kings!
That is what I mean when many have not read the Bible as a book before others have made them bias concerning characters portrayed in the Bible!
Example:
The Christian’s says: King David was a good king, He was Man after GOD’s own Heart!
Plain and simple if you are familiar with the book and read the Bible as a book before being polluted by other men Assessments about king David you would know he was Not a Good King! Neither was “SOLOMON”!
And I am not going to argue about it.
WOW that is a Short Story”
I will not complain.
Of Judas, Jesus stated, " rejoice rather that your names are written in heaven". Speaking to the 12 after they have returned from going through the towns and healing people and casting out demons.
Something I always thought was curious when they wrote the names of the Apostles in the list that they use the full name of Judas Iscariot.
And later we know that Judas betrayed Jesus and as Jesus said it would be better as if he had never been born.
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how can you endure to the end, if you are raptured away, how can you be purified and refined if you are raptured away, how can you be the light of the world if you are raptured away? How can you fulfill Jesus' commission to take the gospel to the ends of the earth if you are raptured away,,,
who could these saints be if it is not a follower of Christ ?
Revelation 13:7
Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nationwho could these saints be if it is not a follower of Christ ?
For enduring to the end, it is not during the time when Christians will be hunted down & killed by the sword or by starvation because they do not have the mark of the beast, but it is for enduring during the times we are living in now when we are being mocked speaking to us plainly rather than saints being sought out to be killed during the great tribulation.
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
if they take the mark of the beast to buy & sell, it is too late for them because when the King of lings comes back, into the lake of fire they will go.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
How can the Lord come as a thief in the night to come and take away if He is coming back as the King of kings to stay? Does not Revelation 8:7 speak of one third of the earth being burned up? Could that not set up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth for survival by taking the mark of the beast system to buy & sell in the New World Order for the rest of the 2/3rds parts of the world?
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Reads to me this is about running that race by faith in Jesus Christ in laying aside every weight & sin daily thus enduring to the end to be partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection at the rapture event or else be left behind.
After the rapture, the first angel with the everlasting gospel will spread it everywhere before the end comes which is announced by the second angel regarding the fall of Babylon in Revelation 14:6-8 which is in detail in Revelation 18:1-24 where the saints are dead in it and the voice of the bridegroom and the bride is no longer heard in her any more because the Bridegroom had come and gone and those saints were left behind where their works will follow them into the dust.
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
The underlined verse 8 above is the spiritual fornication going on in the church in these latter days of drinking more of the spirit after sensational signs in the flesh when there is only one drink of the One Spirit when we were born again of the Spirit at the calling of the gospel when we had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead. Their works of denying Him in seeking to be filled with the "holy Spirit" by a sign is why those are the five foolish virgins out to the market. Matthew 25:1-13 even though the five are of the ten that are the kingdom of heaven, meaning, they are still saved for why they are called saints when left behind, they missed out on the wedding recption.
The apostasy of receiving the Holy Spirit by a sign of feeling Him fall on you or with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues at salvation Matthew 12:38-40 or any future times as a saved believer 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 2 Corinthians 13:5 or being slain in the spirit Proverbs 25:26-28 or holy laughter movement 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 or any ongoing filling of the spirit Matthew 9:17 which is after the rudiment of the world in how they receive spirits and not after Christ.... Colossians 2:5-10 is to be avoided, and if engaged, then repented from as it is not of Him at all, if they do not wish to be left behind.
Those are left behind unrepentant saints, former believers, and after the rapture event, new believers that are going through the great tribulation.
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your 2 questions here:
"how can you endure to the end, if you are raptured away, how can you be purified and refined if you are raptured away,"
That term "endure" can have many Biblical meanings, depends upon "paragraph", "Letter", "Book", "context" and settings concerning "The Biblical Text" of writings in which it was written in and who it was addressing. "With GOD All Things are possible" {Concerning purified & refined} refer; to "Zechariah the High priest"
Next question; "how can you be the light of the world if you are raptured away"
It is not a matter "How can", BUT, we are "The LIGHT of The WORLD and ALL ETERNITY" From The very DAY; That "THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD" Took Up "RESIDENCE" in Our Being! Our Light is so BRIGHT if DEAD men could see, Our LIGHT would BLIND THEM into MORE DARKNESS!
next question: "
"How can you fulfill Jesus' commission to take the gospel to the ends of the earth if you are raptured away,,,"
Well, it is not our Job, to fulfill Jesus commission, That Job belongs to "The PNEUMATIC"! A 'IMPLOSION' is what gets the JOB Done! And That "IMPLOSION" Has a precise "Target" it does not run wild, When it explodes, The Force knows exactly where it is going and it Hits "The Intended Target". And that target is "The Wheat" and Not "The TARES" that The Enemy Planted. And this "EXPLOSION" is Not "High Tech " BUT, in laymen terms, let us call it "GOD'S TECHNOLOGY"
WHEN THAT WORD, has been POWERED by "The PNEUMATIC" IT WILL ACCOMPLISH BY IN WHICH IT WAS SENT! AND it Will Hit The MARK! "That why it is said: "Wait in JERUSALEM, Until you Have been EMPOWERED From On HIGH!He did not said, empowered by a church, a pastor or a Sunday school or Bible class! He Said from "On HIGH"!
JESUS SAID:
"THIS GENERATION is an evil generation. It seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it "EXCEPT" the sign of JONAH! For as JONAH became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so will the Son of MAN be to this Generation.
Luke 24 (ASV).
"And behold, I send forth the promise of my Father upon you, BUT TARRY ye in The city, Until ye BE Clothed with Power for on HIGH!"
Acts 1:4-5,8 (ESV).
" And while staying with them "HE ORDER THEM" not to depart from JERUSALEM, But to wait for the PROMISE of THE FATHER, which he SAID: "YOU HEARD from Me, for John baptized with water, BUT you WILL BE Baptized with The HOLY GHOST not many days from now...f. "BUT you will receive "POWER" when The HOLY GHOST has come UPON YOU, And [THEN] you will be "MY WITNESSES" in Jerusalem and in All Judea and SAMARIA, and To The END
of THE EARTH!PS. and That END means,,,,,,,, To THE END of EARTH EXISTENCES!
Note: Like i have said in the past, Translations can be "BIAS" it only takes a slight curve of the pen.
Now days you must check and recheck and recheck and recheck "Bible translations" when doing a "study"! But doing simple reading, that is different. Then you must be very careful in the reading Bible your choose, whether it is a mere good and excellent "translation or Paraphrase" this modern day market is full of All kinds of "APPLES"!
Revelation 13 is another matter.
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here is 22 videos to watch on revelations 1 hour long each with scriptures backing everything up this really helped me in understanding God's plan from genesis through revelations on the church and the jews here is the link Revelation | Verse By Verse Ministry International
this is a very good study and after you complete it and the holy spirit guiding you in to truth this will be eye opening it was for me
this is a very good study and after you complete it and the holy spirit guiding you in to truth this will be eye opening it was for me
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This all goes back to what I had asked a while ago. At what point do you say to yourself okay the great day of the Lord Has Come and gone the great miracle has come and gone now we're up against the mark of the beast when will the Rapture come oh my God I missed it LOL. Didn't the Jehovah Witnesses have this concept back in the 60s where they were going to be raptured off the planet?
Revelation 2:18-25 when the voice of the bride and the bridegroom is no longer heard in Babylon any more as the left behind saints are killed when Babylon USA had fallen when a third of the earth gest burned up. Revelation 8:7
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They will be left behind by the left behinders
Sorry to scoff at your false teaching . Lol
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Babylon is the global false religion, not USA. Pax Americana is already over, the system is already collapsing, no need for the last moment of the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Literally speaking, Rome is known as the city of seven hills. The Vatican sits on one side of the Tiber River, facing the seven hills.
But the Babylon in Revelation 18:1-24 is described as the center of trade and surrounded by seas so that when this Babylon has fallen, the merchants of the sea are standing afar off because of the plagues. That is not Rome or the Vatican.
This Babylon or the daughter of Babylon, is USA as it is responsible for spreading the spiritual fornication from the Vatican in most of the churches and from there, into all nations, media wise while being the center of trade.
The focus on the " spirit " and tongues for "private use" will unite world's religions, idolatries, and the occult into that one world church after the rapture event.
It will be then when left behind surviving Christians may see & repent while new believers will avoid it altogether while on the run for their lives from the beast waging war on them to kill them with the sword & with hunger since they cannot buy nor sell without the mark to survive the coming New World Order for the rest of the 2/3rds parts of the world that did not get burned up with that third of the world, the western hemisphere in Revelation 8:7.
