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A true Christian understands that their full-time job is being an ambassador for Jesus 2 Cor 5:20.
As such we must be like little children that absorb information from all sources and correctly, from a clear conscience, share it with the lost.
In addition, if we do not consider what others believe, or ourselves know and be convinced of scriptures accuracy and truthfulness (from studying it), how can we help anyone?
As such we must be like little children that absorb information from all sources and correctly, from a clear conscience, share it with the lost.
In addition, if we do not consider what others believe, or ourselves know and be convinced of scriptures accuracy and truthfulness (from studying it), how can we help anyone?
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ooh yea
I know that the Bible is a very large book, something like around 807,370 words
there are allot of historical events and organizations whom have sprung up and defined the way we think about the Bible. Every few decades there is a new modern version that is intended to update and make it easier and simpler to understand, also, in addition these translations are Copyrighted Materials and have fines and fees for breaking Copyright Laws.
there have been many, many disputes and violent upheavals concerning the Bible.
it is a 100 % miracle that the Bible still is around today
GOD IS IN CHARGE OF PRESERVING HIS WORD - Man is a complete failure, I am a failure
The entire idea and concept of a Completed Bible translation moving beyond the ancient Latin and Greek and into a modern real-time world language - this concept and idea - this is a total and a freak accident.
A mistake - a mistake that suddenly accidentally just happened to accidentally occurred behind all of our backs . we never intended to preserve Gods word - God did it all and has control.
I know that the Bible is a very large book, something like around 807,370 words
there are allot of historical events and organizations whom have sprung up and defined the way we think about the Bible. Every few decades there is a new modern version that is intended to update and make it easier and simpler to understand, also, in addition these translations are Copyrighted Materials and have fines and fees for breaking Copyright Laws.
there have been many, many disputes and violent upheavals concerning the Bible.
it is a 100 % miracle that the Bible still is around today
GOD IS IN CHARGE OF PRESERVING HIS WORD - Man is a complete failure, I am a failure
The entire idea and concept of a Completed Bible translation moving beyond the ancient Latin and Greek and into a modern real-time world language - this concept and idea - this is a total and a freak accident.
A mistake - a mistake that suddenly accidentally just happened to accidentally occurred behind all of our backs . we never intended to preserve Gods word - God did it all and has control.
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Dear Sister,
Good questions to ponder on.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; Ephesians 6:17 NKJV
We look to Jesus as an example, and though there a few different ones, I believe this one goes along with the above verse in Ephesians that talks of the Amour of God.
1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry.
3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' "
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In [their] hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.' " 7 Jesus said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the LORD your God.' "
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me." 10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " 11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
Matthew 4:1-11 NKJV
As far as needing someone to teach one the word of God. Folks see themselves as always being insufficient to the task, while never trusting that the Holy Spirit will open understanding to them. While also of the belief that others have a greater understanding/insight than they do.
However, on the flip side, it's not too bad to hear from brothers & sisters in Christ Jesus who may be more knowledgeable or further along in their walk with the Lord then you are, and thereby you can weight/test what they say against what you see in the Word for yourself. Just don't use listening of others for an excuse to not go into the Word yourself!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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Good questions to ponder on.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; Ephesians 6:17 NKJV
We look to Jesus as an example, and though there a few different ones, I believe this one goes along with the above verse in Ephesians that talks of the Amour of God.
1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry.
3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' "
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In [their] hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.' " 7 Jesus said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the LORD your God.' "
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me." 10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " 11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
Matthew 4:1-11 NKJV
As far as needing someone to teach one the word of God. Folks see themselves as always being insufficient to the task, while never trusting that the Holy Spirit will open understanding to them. While also of the belief that others have a greater understanding/insight than they do.
However, on the flip side, it's not too bad to hear from brothers & sisters in Christ Jesus who may be more knowledgeable or further along in their walk with the Lord then you are, and thereby you can weight/test what they say against what you see in the Word for yourself. Just don't use listening of others for an excuse to not go into the Word yourself!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Nick, you'll never understand what this verse means unless you realize that Word of God does not mean the Bible in this verse.
And this pretty much speaks to the OP. People use their own uninformed brain to read poor English translations and then come up with their own meanings and all sorts of fantasies.
There are two separate Greek words (as I've often mentioned) RHEMA and LOGOS that are both translated into WORD, thereby confusing everybody by conflating two separate concepts. It's rather insidious.
But that has to come from the mouth of God, and a book is not the mouth of God. God is God. The Bible is not God. (People seem to forget this.)
As long as you have the Right one...
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And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(Acts 8:26-31 KJV)God bless,
Rhema
(Praying that your husband is doing better.)
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Sadly I find more that wanna just talk at people.. kinda snobbish if ya ask me..seems the art of communication is dwindling bit by bit..
many don't seem to hear cause they too busy thinking of an answer because we'll idk why.. I do know it can drive me bonkers at times tho frfr lol
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As such we must be like little children that absorb information from all sources and correctly, from a clear conscience, share it with the lost.
I'd have to disagree here one Teacher One Good
I know what I absorbed from the world wasn't nothing good..
I learned how to do lots of evil from the World only The Word was able to bring me into the Truth and He pulled me aside and put me in His rest and allow me to see the Truth..
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I would think that is the natural course of this world They need evidence seen before they will believe. The Pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind .God calls fools
Memory the gift many take for granted .
Not only does the Holy Spirit work within to teach, guide and comfort but last but not least He brings to our memory the previous things he has taught even the memory of each other that prayer might go out .
John 14:25-26 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.;But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
Satan the god of this world . . .The lust of the flesh mixed with the lust of the eye, the two building blocks to false pride.
The father of lies would have mankind believe God is a dying Jewish man as King of all kings ,Lord of all lords .He failed
Many, myself included, recognize that we need to have teachers, and if not so, Jesus gave the gift of teachers in vain:
And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues. (1Cor 12:28 NRSV)
The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until all of us come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to maturity, to the measure of the full stature of Christ. (Eph 4:11-13 NRSV)
We have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us: prophecy, in proportion to faith; ministry, in ministering; the teacher, in teaching; (Rom 12:6-7 NRSV)
When anyone is under instruction in the faith, he should give his teacher a share of whatever good things he has. (Gal 6:6 REB)
But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and all of you have knowledge. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and you know that no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son...As for you, the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in him. (1John 2:20-22, 27 NRSV)
The true child of God has the indwelling Holy Spirit and He teaches the child the foundational doctrines, which permit the Christian to know truth of Jesus the Christ against the LIE of the antichrists. This does not mean the regenerate child has NO need for teaching. The child of God does not have ALL KNOWLEDGE so as to not need teaching at all.
As to rote memorization, that is usually taking words out of context giving erroneous meaning. Memorizing words is not learning.
Some people just can't figure out which way to go with things. I can understand that especially with Eschatology. They don't want to put time into the homework. And even so, instead of developing a good hermeneutic, they look at the homework of what others believe. That's how most form 'their beliefs'.
I'm amazed that people can't see the contradictory nature of pre-trib, Trinity, and Literal 6-day creationism. In Prophecy, the idea that the anti-Christ would be a global dictator origination from the EU and the Pope would be the false prophet is just absurd.
It's my belief that so many Christians are inept because of the influence of other Christian - 'experts'!
I used to but no longer do. My memory if OK but hey, like many of you, I'm no youngster.
I would offer. we can preach he does all the teaching .
The gift of teaching could be sharing how we can hear the teacher .Like for instance without parables the figuration language Christ the teacher spoke not or simple word meaning as metaphors to enrich the search of the mysteies of faith the unsen things of God
He warns of those who say we do need a man to teach
1 john 2: 26-27These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him
In that way one can plant the incorruptible born again seed and another water it with the water of the word .Doctrines that fall from heaven like rain. But in all cases
A warning not to venerate the apostles as if the word came from them. God will not share his teaching glory with dying mankind. he gives us eyes to see and ears to hear the eternal gospel
1 Corithians 3:5-8Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.;So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour
Memorizing words is learning. Not only does he teach but he also brings to our memory the previous things .
Memory the gift of love
John14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
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What you say n what the word Saith is two different things then what the Lord Saith He tells us there is One Teacher and cursed be the man whos strength is their flesh..
The only reason a grown man or woman would even need a teacher is to be taught how to read.. He tells His children they are all brothers and sisters one is not above another And to sharpen one another..
Teachers need to teach the children to read or teach the adult who can't not for it is written give a man a fish he will eat for a day teach a man to fish he can for the rest of His life..
He says He will pour His Spirit without measure on His children..
I believe that's why many are walking in the darkness while they think they sit comfortably in the light..
Man can't teach anything spiritual only the Lord can reveal..
As it is written
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ
I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ
Many no longer seek the Lord because many is too willing to spoon feed..
His children build a relationship with Him the Messiah said
IT IS FINISHED..
Ya ever wonder why He said today woman He is your son and today John she is your mother..
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When you write that the Trinity is contradictory, do you mean you reject the Biblical statements of there being One God alone, yet existing as three Persons, namely the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Or, do you object to the teaching in the ecumenical Nicene Creed?
Humanly speaking, which is at fault for the nonsensical statements found in some posts in this thread? Is it the failing of government schools, or an apostate church?
It is clear that most need to study the principles of Reading Comprehension, quite similar to the Rules of Interpretation, hermeneutics when viewing biblical doctrines. Such silly, religious balderdash is spouted as the Christian faith in this day, when it is lies from the devil himself, that 'angel of light'.
How sane, self-respecting persons can believe the claims of those today who say they have the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit is beyond me. The true miracles proving such claims are absent, and only seen in the claims of religious con-artists, the religious frauds; and the gullible who follow them blindly.
People can go blathering all the gibberish they want and claim it is the tongues of the apostolic age; but where is the clear evidence of raising the dead, healing the person blind from birth, or the lame from the womb? Where are such miracles being done by the hucksters of today, when they are viewed from those in the community who have known these cured persons?
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’ (Matt 7:21-23 NRSV)
It is clear that most need to study the principles of Reading Comprehension, quite similar to the Rules of Interpretation, hermeneutics when viewing biblical doctrines. Such silly, religious balderdash is spouted as the Christian faith in this day, when it is lies from the devil himself, that 'angel of light'.
How sane, self-respecting persons can believe the claims of those today who say they have the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit is beyond me. The true miracles proving such claims are absent, and only seen in the claims of religious con-artists, the religious frauds; and the gullible who follow them blindly.
People can go blathering all the gibberish they want and claim it is the tongues of the apostolic age; but where is the clear evidence of raising the dead, healing the person blind from birth, or the lame from the womb? Where are such miracles being done by the hucksters of today, when they are viewed from those in the community who have known these cured persons?
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’ (Matt 7:21-23 NRSV)
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I'm baffled when people go against the grain of the Word when it's there in plain sight and yet claim they r followers of the Word..frfr
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When one claims there's no Trinity I gotta stop and think which do they not believe in God the Father the son or the Holy Spirit that they don't believe in..
How can one claim Christ Died for them when death is a separation from Abba..
Go figure
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There is an interesting translation of John 1:1, which I will quote and then give the NET Bible translation note explaining it.
"In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God’s presence, and what God was, the Word was." (John 1:1 REB)
"tn Or “and what God was the Word was.” Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (theos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s Rule merely permits, but does not demand, that a predicate nominative ahead of an equative verb be translated as definite rather than indefinite. Furthermore, Colwell’s Rule did not deal with a third possibility, that the anarthrous predicate noun may have more of a qualitative nuance when placed ahead of the verb. A definite meaning for the term is reflected in the traditional rendering “the word was God.” From a technical standpoint, though, it is preferable to see a qualitative aspect to anarthrous θεός in John 1:1c (ExSyn 266-69). Translations like the NEB, REB, and Moffatt are helpful in capturing the sense in John 1:1c, that the Word was fully deity in essence (just as much God as God the Father). However, in contemporary English “the Word was divine” (Moffatt) does not quite catch the meaning since “divine” as a descriptive term is not used in contemporary English exclusively of God. The translation “what God was the Word was” is perhaps the most nuanced rendering, conveying that everything God was in essence, the Word was too. This points to unity of essence between the Father and the Son without equating the persons. However, in surveying a number of native speakers of English, some of whom had formal theological training and some of whom did not, the editors concluded that the fine distinctions indicated by “what God was the Word was” would not be understood by many contemporary readers. Thus the translation “the Word was fully God” was chosen because it is more likely to convey the meaning to the average English reader that the Logos (which “became flesh and took up residence among us” in John 1:14 and is thereafter identified in the Fourth Gospel as Jesus) is one in essence with God the Father. The previous phrase, “the Word was with God,” shows that the Logos is distinct in person from God the Father."
The REB is the Revised English Bible, 1989 a UK translation.
"In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God’s presence, and what God was, the Word was." (John 1:1 REB)
"tn Or “and what God was the Word was.” Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (theos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s Rule merely permits, but does not demand, that a predicate nominative ahead of an equative verb be translated as definite rather than indefinite. Furthermore, Colwell’s Rule did not deal with a third possibility, that the anarthrous predicate noun may have more of a qualitative nuance when placed ahead of the verb. A definite meaning for the term is reflected in the traditional rendering “the word was God.” From a technical standpoint, though, it is preferable to see a qualitative aspect to anarthrous θεός in John 1:1c (ExSyn 266-69). Translations like the NEB, REB, and Moffatt are helpful in capturing the sense in John 1:1c, that the Word was fully deity in essence (just as much God as God the Father). However, in contemporary English “the Word was divine” (Moffatt) does not quite catch the meaning since “divine” as a descriptive term is not used in contemporary English exclusively of God. The translation “what God was the Word was” is perhaps the most nuanced rendering, conveying that everything God was in essence, the Word was too. This points to unity of essence between the Father and the Son without equating the persons. However, in surveying a number of native speakers of English, some of whom had formal theological training and some of whom did not, the editors concluded that the fine distinctions indicated by “what God was the Word was” would not be understood by many contemporary readers. Thus the translation “the Word was fully God” was chosen because it is more likely to convey the meaning to the average English reader that the Logos (which “became flesh and took up residence among us” in John 1:14 and is thereafter identified in the Fourth Gospel as Jesus) is one in essence with God the Father. The previous phrase, “the Word was with God,” shows that the Logos is distinct in person from God the Father."
The REB is the Revised English Bible, 1989 a UK translation.
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If one just ponders with Abba in the Word He would reveal much to many
Sad fact is they are more then happy and content to just be spoon-fed by man
For it is written..
Man does not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God
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Yes, as it is written .It representing the unseen gospel understanding given to us the Spirt of faith the power of Christ's work or labor of love working in us
Three times Mathew 4) with three denoting the end of a matter the Father gave powerful words to His prophet Jesus the Son of man as it is writen again and again as it is written ,
The same it in the "let it be" and "it was good" you could call it the mystery of faith Christ's in us
Strike three Struck him out never saw the faith ball coming. lol
2 Corinthians 4:13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
