Question,

[Rhema]

I guess if Pharaoh resists God word that could be said God hardened his heart by his rejection of God’s word.

And there's the rub ... instead of believing what is written, you "guess" in order to put personal ideas into scripture.
(I'm not a fan.)

Rhema
(Meaning.. I'm not a fan of that.)

 

[Twistie]

Hi I'm not sure if anyone can answer this. I'm doing alot of meditation, reading, going for walks and stuff I like doing, things that lifts my spirit. Also I do alot of prayer work. But the question I have is why must we suffer? Like, why do good people go through bad things? Cause I hear its to grow, but I started my growth process and I'm still going through stuff with the same person as I was before my growth started. A family member. So I just....I don't understand, why's it still like that???

23And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with...

We see here the Messiah has told us we will go through what he went through...

He even tells us so

In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome

And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; and patience, experience; and experience, hope: and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us..

Also we r told

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

 

[Charlie24]

I'm not your enemy Charlie. Period. And I have no hate for you.

That said, I can say that I'm perplexed as to how you process certain scriptures into the conclusion you make.

Rhema

I don't think either of us have hate for each other.

Paul taught the exact same thing in all the Churches. He called for unity in one understanding of Scripture.

It's not that difficult, and most here share that common understanding.

 

[Rhema]

23And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with...

We see here the Messiah has told us we will go through what he went through...

Hi Twistie,

The is another viewpoint. That the cup is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The baptism of Jesus mentioned here is that of his baptism by John the Baptizer. We are to be baptized by both water and spirit. It has nothing to do with us being tortured.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

It's not that difficult, and most here share that common understanding.

Unfortunately, I've often found the "common understanding" to be wrong.

(See above.)

Blessings,
Rhema

(Think of it.... the "common understanding" was Catholicism up until 1517, so... not a good gauge.)


Unless you're Catholic...

 

[Charlie24]

Unfortunately, I've often found the "common understanding" to be wrong.

(See above.)

Blessings,
Rhema

(Think of it.... the "common understanding" was Catholicism up until 1517, so... not a good gauge.)


Unless you're Catholic...

Not referring to Catholicism.

 

[Rhema]

Not referring to Catholicism.

You think Protestants are better?

But you miss the point. Your point seems to be that a doctrine is True because common consensus agrees. Well from about 150 AD to 1517 AD, that didn't work, did it?

Rhema

 

[Charlie24]

You think Protestants are better?

But you miss the point. Your point seems to be that a doctrine is True because common consensus agrees. Well from about 150 AD to 1517 AD, that didn't work, did it?

Rhema

That's what I've been trying to tell you, rubbing folks the wrong way for no reason.

You're making a habit of it. Why is what I'd like to know?

 

[Rhema]

That's what I've been trying to tell you, rubbing folks the wrong way for no reason.

You're making a habit of it. Why is what I'd like to know?

Slander the messenger to avoid dealing with the message.

Why is what I'd like to know.

Rhema

 

[Charlie24]

Slander the messenger to avoid dealing with the message.

Why is what I'd like to know.

Rhema

I'm avoiding the attitude. No one wants to deal with that!

 

[Rhema]

I'm avoiding the attitude. No one wants to deal with that!

So then your emotions are more important than your learning? I need to make a safe space and smooth your ruffled feathers before you can deal with logic and reason?

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.​

(Matthew 7:2-5 KJV)​

Attitude is the beam in the eye of the beholder.

Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

Attitude is the beam in the eye of the beholder.

Rhema

LOL! Sometimes this may be true, but alot of times attitude is plainly seen by enough ppl that its more likely to be the case.

 

[Charlie24]

So then your emotions are more important than your learning? I need to make a safe space and smooth your ruffled feathers before you can deal with logic and reason?

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.​

(Matthew 7:2-5 KJV)​

Attitude is the beam in the eye of the beholder.

Rhema

Whatever you say, Rhema, it's ok with me.

 

[MaryB08]

Hi I'm not sure if anyone can answer this. I'm doing alot of meditation, reading, going for walks and stuff I like doing, things that lifts my spirit. Also I do alot of prayer work. But the question I have is why must we suffer? Like, why do good people go through bad things? Cause I hear its to grow, but I started my growth process and I'm still going through stuff with the same person as I was before my growth started. A family member. So I just....I don't understand, why's it still like that???

Hi Lauriel22,
It sounds like you've got each foot on 2 opposing paths. Follow Jesus with your whole heart, get away from that new age-y "all about me" stuff because it's poison. Focus your mind on things above not on things of this earth; Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Meditation is not emptying the mind, meditation should be focusing on specific things and being vigilant to take control of what your thought are.

It's good you're praying, but you need the Word of God and a real relationship with Jesus not a half-hearted walk to lift you. And reading is endless labor -- get yourself into the Holy Bible, the ONE thing of it's kind and you get to know God; spending time at the feet of Jesus is the one necessary thing. God inhabits the praise of His people so being in praise, singing, worshipping God lifts. Isaiah 60something says to put on a garment of praise to get rid of the spirit of heaviness. Read this in relation to your question on suffering and after that I will talk about your family member.

1-Why do we suffer?

8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. 9And being made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him Heb 5

Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 1Pet4

...and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. Rom 8

3Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 2Tim2

2- Problem with a family member:
I've lived this one. Only 2 of the 5 members of my family belong to Jesus, so the other 3 are Judas; they are literal devils and will never be redeemed. Jesus told me about my sister closest in age that her soul is black, and from that I know she does not, and will never belong to Jesus. The devil has children too, we see this first referenced in Genesis 3. Regardless of your status with the Lord or your family member's status with the Lord pray for God's will and direction and ask God what He wants you to do. God told me about my sister directly, and you may have a similar situation, or not. Loving everyone does not mean loving all people the same way. Love God over all. Love the saints (those who prove to be saints) with love and understanding and forgiveness, then love those who are not us differently -- with a love that feeds them and gives them water when they need it, but not a forever vibrant close-knit love. Notice how the disciples loved Judas, as one of them, then when he was found to be a devil, they were at peace knowing he's gone to hell, because he belongs there. Seek God on this, He knows everything, and He will not steer you wrong. Just be sure that everything God gives you lines up with the Holy Bible because God will never be in conflict with the Holy Bible -- The Holy Bible is the ABSOLUTE authority over everything, over every church, pastor, denomination, so be sure to know the Holy Bible well. Forgive the people always but it may be best for you to untangle yourself from them and move on.

In my situation, my family (and their families), although I avoided all of them, they were a source of woe and discord. God demanded that I depart from them. Come out from among them and be separate... and He also told me to forget my family and my father's house more than once. Praise God, He has taken me in; God is my family now.

Much love.
Turn Right.
Follow Jesus ONLY; Holy Bible ONLY.
Stay in the New Testament and Psalms and Proverbs until God gives you understanding, then enjoy the entire Holy Bible.
peacewithGod.net /// esv.org

 

[KingJ]

I guess if Pharaoh resists God word that could be said God hardened his heart by his rejection of God’s word.

And there's the rub ... instead of believing what is written, you "guess" in order to put personal ideas into scripture.
(I'm not a fan.)

Rhema
(Meaning.. I'm not a fan of

@Rhema What is the reason for calling this thread a "question"?.

What exactly is the question?

 

[Rhema]

@Rhema What is the reason for calling this thread a "question"?.

The thread was titled by @Lauriel22 in post one (quoted below)... you would need to ask her.

What exactly is the question?

Hi I'm not sure if anyone can answer this. I'm doing alot of meditation, reading, going for walks and stuff I like doing, things that lifts my spirit. Also I do alot of prayer work. But the question I have is why must we suffer? Like, why do good people go through bad things? Cause I hear its to grow, but I started my growth process and I'm still going through stuff with the same person as I was before my growth started. A family member. So I just....I don't understand, why's it still like that???

Hope that helps.