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Quran A false Writing
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The Scofield breakdown.. “I don’t have Scripture to refute you, but your inability to convince me proves you’re wrong.”
That’s not theology.
That’s delusion.
I cited Acts 9 — Jesus personally calling Paul.
I cited Galatians 1 — Paul declaring his apostleship came directly from Christ.
I cited 2 Peter 3 — Peter calling Paul’s letters Scripture.
I cited 1 John 4 — John saying those who reject apostolic teaching are not of God.
That’s four witnesses from the Word, All in agreement.
Your response?
No chapter.
No verse.
Just: “You didn’t convince me, therefore it’s false.” <eye roll goes here>
That’s not proof —
that’s pride dressing up as discernment.
If your only standard for truth is whether you personally accept it,
then you’ve made yourself the final authority — not the Word of God.
And that’s exactly what Satan did in Eden.
“Has God really said?”
So again —
Refute what I actually said.
With Scripture.
Or admit you can’t.
Because your denial isn’t discernment.
It’s the last breath of a theology that can’t survive the light of the Word.
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Already have proved
By words written in your Bible
That Jesus never called
Paul an apostle.
Now if you can refute it
Post any verse from the Bible
Where Jesus is quoted as saying
That he anointed Paul to be
His apostle.
You can't
Because it is nowhere
Written in the Bible.
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“If Jesus didn’t say it in red letters, it doesn’t count.”
You want a direct quote where Jesus calls Paul His apostle?
Fine. Let’s walk through what the Holy Spirit inspired Luke to write in Acts — because Scripture is all God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16), not just the red ink.
“He is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles…”
— Acts 9:15, Jesus speaking
That is Jesus speaking —
and He said Paul (then Saul) was chosen by Him.
To do what? To bear His name before the Gentiles.
That’s not a gardener’s job description. That’s apostolic commission.
And Paul confirms it:
“Paul, an apostle — not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father…”
— Galatians 1:1
Either that’s true —
or Paul is lying, Peter is endorsing a fraud (2 Peter 3:16),
and the Holy Ghost just let half the New Testament be written by a self-appointed imposter.
That’s your position?
Then don’t pretend you believe the Bible.
Because you’re not just rejecting Paul —
you’re calling the Holy Spirit a liar.
You said:
“Show me where Jesus said it.”
I just did.
And then I showed you where Paul said it, where Peter affirmed it, and where John warned against rejecting it.
So now the question is:
Do you believe the Word — or only the parts that don’t threaten your Scofield fantasy?
Condemn or Love?
You seem for some reason or other divide and separate the persons of the dying apostles "sent messengers" and not the rightly divide interpret prophecy the living, abiding word of Christ. sent by the beautiful feet of the apostles
Which the living wprds they are sent with.
Like many you must Destroy the meaning of the word apostle. "Sent Messager" not angel a fake word coined in the 10th century needed for thww oral traditions of mythology
Therefore, violating the loving commandment not to add new meaning to one word it can change the authority of all the loving commandment's (Deuteronomy 4:2) Just one word .. spiritual plagiarism
Sounds more like Roman or Greek mythology as oral traditions of dying mankind the . . . "I heard it through the legion of father's grape vine"
Passed down from the Sadducees with Pharisees. Two of the many antichrists' sects that put their differences aside to try and destroy (sola scriptura).
Antichrists simply another teaching authority other than all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) Antichrists false apostles bringing false prophecy (oral traditions of dying mankind "
1 Corinthians 1:12-13;Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
You seem to have a gospel based on dying mankind seen .he bible warns of those who coapre themselves to the them and not the comspr to the gospel
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You could say lovers of men nd not like the Bareans
Was Thomas crucified for Paul ?. Mary for Martha?
Song of Solomon 7:1How beautiful are thy (Apostle) feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him (Apostle) that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
Romans 10:15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them (Apostle) that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Peter denied Jesus wash his feet in the water of the word the gospel >Jesus said in doing so Peter denied the Holy Invisible Father.
In the book of Acts it infallibly informs the believers of the feet having no strength to walk in the truth of the gospel called walk in faith (the unseen things of Christ)) miraculously creating new born again feet by the hearing of faith the living loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. and he leaped with gospel joy.
They having no faith, zero (sola scriptura) that could please our Father showed their true colors through mythology they made the sent ones into a legion of gods in the likeness of men Satan the copycat setting up his kingdom on earth usurping the order the priesthood of God set in Exodus 7
In that parable (exodus7) God assigned Moses to represent our invisible Holy Father and Aarron his brother as the preacher of the gospel the ones with the beatiful feet. The church. Bride the preacher
Barnabus as Jupiter (father of gods)
Paul as Mercury (the preacher)
Acts 7-11 And there they preached the gospel.;And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (power)to be healed,;Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.;And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.;And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.;Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Exodus 77 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (Barnabus Jupiter ) to Pharaoh: and Aaron (Mercury) thy brother shall be thy prophet.;Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
Be thankful you can thank Him
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men,(gospel of Thomas etc ) but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Apostles do not go around calling themselves apostles they just do what the title means. . . go with the gospel
The first apostle and martyr Abel
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Paul didn’t “call himself” an apostle.
Jesus did.
Before Paul could even see again.
“As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.”
— Acts 13:2
“Paul, an apostle — not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father...”
— Galatians 1:1
“...our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures...”
— 2 Peter 3:15–16 (Peter called Paul’s letters Scripture.)
“We are of God. He who knows God hears us [the apostles]; he who is not of God does not hear us.”
— 1 John 4:6
Four witnesses.
Jesus.
The Holy Spirit.
Peter.
John.
All affirm Paul's divine apostleship.
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Scofield disciple replies:
“Apostles don’t go around calling themselves apostles. They just do the job.”
That sounds spiritual until you realize…
Paul wasn’t going around calling himself an apostle to inflate his ego —
he was defending the authority of the Gospel given to him by Christ Himself.
In fact, read Galatians 1 again.
He wasn't boasting — he was warning:
“If anyone preaches a gospel other than the one I preached to you, let him be accursed.”
(Gal. 1:8)
That’s not self-promotion. That’s divine mandate.
This is what Scofield theology does:
It turns biblical terms into mush, erases distinctions, and replaces apostolic clarity with Hallmark spirituality.
If Paul wasn’t an apostle, then Scripture is lying.
And if you think Paul “called himself” that title only and that that wasn't true,
you haven’t read the Book —
you’ve read Scofield’s blasphemous, notes instead of the Book.
“Apostles don’t go around calling themselves apostles. They just do the job.”
That sounds spiritual until you realize…
Paul wasn’t going around calling himself an apostle to inflate his ego —
he was defending the authority of the Gospel given to him by Christ Himself.
In fact, read Galatians 1 again.
He wasn't boasting — he was warning:
“If anyone preaches a gospel other than the one I preached to you, let him be accursed.”
(Gal. 1:8)
That’s not self-promotion. That’s divine mandate.
This is what Scofield theology does:
It turns biblical terms into mush, erases distinctions, and replaces apostolic clarity with Hallmark spirituality.
If Paul wasn’t an apostle, then Scripture is lying.
And if you think Paul “called himself” that title only and that that wasn't true,
you haven’t read the Book —
you’ve read Scofield’s blasphemous, notes instead of the Book.
Dear Brother,
You are under the misperception that @Rhema believes in the Trinity, and that he is a Christian.
He is not, nor does he believe that Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity.
Though I do believe that while there is breath, there is Hope.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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I would like to ask This question for those reading the comments.
What books of The Bible scriptures was written to whom ? For what purpose? Why Today is so of the Bible scriptures taken and used, Out of place! ?
1- To whom was a given scripture written to. For what time period and purpose? What was only to Isreal to be used by Al Today? Should the scriptures pertaining to Isreal be mixed with the Ones that The Apostle Paul wrote be mixed with the Ones only for Isreal?
If One desires an oil which does not light a Lamp, then I suppose it does not matter.
Give me some of your oil, was the cry !
What books of The Bible scriptures was written to whom ? For what purpose? Why Today is so of the Bible scriptures taken and used, Out of place! ?
1- To whom was a given scripture written to. For what time period and purpose? What was only to Isreal to be used by Al Today? Should the scriptures pertaining to Isreal be mixed with the Ones that The Apostle Paul wrote be mixed with the Ones only for Isreal?
If One desires an oil which does not light a Lamp, then I suppose it does not matter.
Give me some of your oil, was the cry !
Dear Deep Seeker,
It might be better to ask this in a separate thread.
If you do so, you can also invite who you will from this thread to it by using the "@" sign before their name.
I do not want this thread to go too far afield...as it already has.
Unless of course you'll be tying it all together with the subject of the thread "Quran a false writing".
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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"To whom was a given scripture written to...?"
To everyone in Christ.
“All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable” (2 Timothy 3:16) — not just Paul’s letters, not just Jewish scrolls, not just whatever fits your eschatological echo chamber.
Jesus quoted Moses.
Paul quoted Isaiah.
Peter quoted Joel.
John quoted Ezekiel.
They didn’t slice the Bible into Scofield’s racist, divided lunch trays — one side for Jews, one side for the Church, no race mixing allowed.
That heresy is straight from the pit.
Paul didn’t preach segregation.
He preached union in Christ — the veil torn, the wall shattered, the two made one new man (Ephesians 2:15).
Only a deluded mind drunk on Scofield’s blasphemous, Babylonian-Kool-Aid would think the Gospel needs a cafeteria tray with labeled compartments:
“Jews only – do not touch.”
“Gentiles – wait for rapture scraps.”
That’s the Scofield cafeteria tray version of the Gospel — neat little compartments, divided by race and timeline, with a big “Do Not Mix” sticker slapped across the Bible.
And Paul?
They act like he’s the only voice that matters… until he shatters the whole system by revealing that “Israel” isn’t what they’ve been led to believe it is.
Because the real Paul — not the Scofield mascot version — said this:
“They are not all Israel, who are of Israel.” (Romans 9:6)
Translation: Ethnicity means nothing if you're not in Christ.
He said:
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29)
Not “If you’re Jewish.”
Not “If your last name ends in -stein.”
But if you are Christ’s.
He said:
“There is no longer Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28)
No divisions. No racial covenants. No dual-track plan.
The wall is gone (Ephesians 2:14).
So let’s be clear:
Paul didn’t confirm Scofield.
Paul condemned him — 1,900 years before he was born.
He saw the deception coming and lit it up in Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians like a holy warning flare.
The Body of Christ is Israel —
Not dirt. Not DNA. Not a man-made flag flying over unbelief.
Paul didn’t preach some chopped-up end-times buffet
where Jews get the kingdom and Gentiles get raptured leftovers.
He preached the Gospel of unity —
One Body. One Seed. One Kingdom.
In Christ alone.
No dual covenants. No racial hierarchy. No prophetic apartheid.
"Should the scriptures pertaining to Israel be mixed with the ones Paul wrote?"
You mean the same Paul who said:
“There is no difference between Jew and Greek” (Romans 10:12)
“If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed” (Galatians 3:29)
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but inwardly” (Romans 2:28–29)
Paul didn't just mix the Scriptures — he smashed the false wall down entirely.
"What was only to Israel...?"
The whole point of the New Covenant is that the promises made to Israel are now fulfilled in Christ and extended to the whole Body — Jew or Gentile. That’s the mystery revealed, the veil torn, the wall broken (Ephesians 2:14).
You’re not honoring God by keeping His Word divided —
You’re dishonoring the Cross by pretending it didn’t unite everything it touched.
If you’re still separating Paul from Peter, Church from Israel, or Old from New like God runs two separate plans for humanity — you’re not rightly dividing. You’re spiritually dividing what God made one.
You’re not carrying a lamp.
You’re waving Scofield’s blasphemous cigarette lighter around —
flickering in the wind, sputtering out half-truths,
lost in the Wilderness of Nod like Cain after the curse,
clueless, alone, and somehow still shouting, “I rightly divided it!”
And let’s just say it plainly —
The Scofield Bible didn’t rightly divide anything.
It fractured the Gospel like a heretic with a hacksaw.
It sold Christians a clown map of prophecy with two raptures, three comings, and zero covenantal logic.
All that prophetic horse manure was designed to lead believers outside the Ark —
to sit on a rock and wait for an Uber to heaven that never comes
while the flood of judgment swallows them whole.
It’s not just bad theology.
It’s a trap.
A Zionist-engineered, Oxford-printed delusion —
crafted to keep Christians out of Christ and out of the Kingdom.
Yes, he did not say Hi I am the apostle, Paul.
He simply did what apostles "sent messengers" do "go" when sent. Just like Abel the 1st martyr.
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So then you think your abilities in Linguistics are better than mine. Don't take this the wrong way, but you're not educated enough to make that determination. I'm sorry you feel that I'm mischaracterizing or distorting what you write, but my confidence in what I write was expressed by a willingness to have my work independently reviewed by a competent third party mediator - any 10th grade English teacher. Perhaps instead of continuing to pick the mote out of my posts, you may wish to improve your own reading comprehension and composition skills. (But heaven forbid that you might wrong... eh?)
Agape,
Rhema
Yes we must be careful how we ear who we say by what they say.
Many false apostles today bringing oral traditons on dying mankind as false prohecy
A good understanding of the word "Rhema" can go a long way toward hearing the gospel as it is written (sola scriptura)
"Rhema" a outward "Let there be" utterance. . . . . And it was "God alone good" Logos .
The law or unseen power of faith Believing something will appear when the words are spoken .
Bring my Coffee LOL Yes dear I am coming one or two lumps?!
Rhema mixed with "logos," which represents God's written living word the gospel truth. It as a parable signifies a personal, timely message from God that can move as a loving authority a believer. The living abiding word
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"THE God" ??? (That's an odd way to put it.)
The mods know I am not Trinitarian. And they should know by now that I am not Modalist either. And who knows what you are, since you deigned to only condemn me instead of putting forth your own position clearly. The mods also know that I don't try to stir up the crap regarding Christology like you just tried to do.
Indeed Jesus is Lord, having been elevated by the Father to sit at His right hand.
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
- Luke 22:69 KJVThis Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
- Acts 2:32-33 KJVBut he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
- Acts 7:55 KJVWho is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
- Romans 8:34 KJVThe Lord Jesus Christ has a God -
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
- Ephesians 1:17 KJVAnd what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he (God) wrought in Christ, when he (God) raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
- Ephesians 1:19-20 KJVIf ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
- Colossians 3:1 KJVBut Jesus never said that he and the Father are one Spirit, so that's adding in words.
So now, seven scriptures poised against, what, your three? (Looks like I win...
)But on a more serious note:
Indeed, one God and Father of all, including Jesus who has a God.
And one Spirit? Not Seven?
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
- Revelation 4:5 KJVThis could be why Revelation was not accepted as canon until the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (A.D. 393); Think of that. It took God 393 years to decide if Revelation should be in your canon. (It is not in our canon, btw.)
I don't think you understand what this verse means. The verse itself is a bit of a non-sequitur and interrupts the flow of the idea expressed in the larger passage. Obviously you see some extreme significance in this single verse, but it's not one I've looked at closely. That said, there are two nominative subjects and no accusative direct objects, so the sentence is pretty corrupted in its Greek grammar.
The Aramaic is a bit more clear:
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now, MarYa {The Lord-YHWH}, He is The Rukha {The Spirit}, and where The Rukheh d'MarYa {The Spirit of The Lord-YHWH} is, there is freedom!
I can agree that YHWH is a spirit. But you seem to think "Lord" means Jesus. You might be mistaken in this assumption.
Stitching together here a verse there a verse everywhere a verse, verse - is not good exegetical practice.
It means you might not know what you're talking about.
God bless,
Rhema
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Let's be clear.
The word Apostle is not in the verse you quoted.
Paul himself characterized his apostleship as someone separated (G873).
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle separated (G873) unto the gospel of God,
- Romans 1:1 KJVAnd just where did that happen? Here. (And nowhere else.)
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate (G873) me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
- Acts 13:2 KJVThat's why the author of Acts refereed to both Barnabas and Paul as apostles.
But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out
- Acts 14:14 NKJVIt's truly not hard to connect the dots here.
Rhema
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Rhema said:
“The word Apostle is not in the verse you quoted.”
Right — and neither is the word "Trinity," but I bet you still believe God is three-in-one.
The absence of the word doesn’t negate the presence of the calling.
The entire New Testament canon affirms Paul’s apostleship, not just one verse.
Rhema said:
“Paul himself characterized his apostleship as someone separated (G873).”
Correct. “Separated unto the gospel” is a description of his mission, not a definition of apostleship. Romans 1:1 says he is:
“Called to be an apostle…”
That word called?
Same verb used when Jesus called the original Twelve (Matt 10:1–2).
So unless you're ready to say none of the Twelve were apostles either, your argument just collapsed under its own weight.
Rhema said:
“Paul was only called an apostle alongside Barnabas in Acts 14:14.”
So you're saying Luke, the author of Acts, got it wrong?
Because later, Paul writes:
“Paul, an apostle… not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father…”
— Galatians 1:1
That's Paul explicitly denying your theory.
He says: “My apostleship came from Jesus Christ directly.”
Peter — yes, the Peter you all love to quote — wrote:
“Even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you… as also in all his epistles… as they do also the other Scriptures…” — 2 Peter 3:15–16
That means:
1. Peter affirms Paul’s wisdom was from God
2. Peter ranks Paul’s letters as Scripture
3. Peter, the apostle to the Jews, calls Paul’s writings equal to holy writ
So who are you, Rhema, to say otherwise?
You’re not above Peter.
You’re not above Luke.
You’re not above the Holy Spirit who said:
“Separate unto Me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.”
— Acts 13:2
Notice:
The Spirit didn't say “now promote them to apostles.”
He said, “I already called them — now separate them.”
The calling had already happened.
The separation was merely activation.
Rhema, you’re so deep in Scofield’s Babylonian footnotes that you can’t even recognize apostolic authority when the Bible slaps you across the face with it.
You’ve mistaken the doctrines of Zionist dispensationalism for the Word of God, and in doing so, you’ve rejected the very apostle Christ chose to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles — to you.
That’s not “connecting dots.”
That’s connecting heresies and calling them holy.
Repent.
Before the Gospel you mock becomes your Judge.
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Such an evil translation of the Greek text given to you by the Church of England.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
- 2 Timothy 3:16 KJVThere is no verb "is." There is no verb "given." If you think so, show me....
και οτι απο βρεφους τα ιερα γραμματα οιδας τα δυναμενα σε σοφισαι εις σωτηριαν δια πιστεως της εν χριστω ιησου πασα γραφη θεοπνευστος και ωφελιμος προς διδασκαλιαν προς ελεγχον προς επανορθωσιν προς παιδειαν την εν δικαιοσυνη
- 2 Timothy 3:15-16 Greek NT TRWhile I don't have the time to post a detailed essay, here's what the Greek texts say:
(2Ti 3:15,16) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures (which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus) every inspired and profitable writing for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The text is saying, "thou has known the holy scriptures - every inspired and profitable scripture for..." that Timothy knew every inspired scripture, not that all scriptures are inspired.
Second Timothy 3:16 is purposefully mistranslated so someone can Bible thump you over the head. Christians like to do that. And most of them don't even know where their Bible comes from.
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It's pure evil to add in words.