Returning in the flesh

[Zscripture]

Jesus came to TAKE flesh BACK for us! He died, but raised Himself up to life again. If this had not happened it seems all would be but dust of the earth and our souls separated from the Creator due to the Big change our race underwent at the evil knowledge we gained and the curse of Yehovah El. The work of God is to believe in this One sent for this.

 

[Gloria]

(1 John 4) 2 " Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. "
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(John 1) 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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(John 1 ) 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Christan]

Amen Brother z and Gloria Thnx for ur kindness Jhs SHalom Christan

 

[evangeline]

I know this thread has changed direction a little, but let me just back up my statement about the Church being the bride of Christ with these verses from Ephesians 5

Read the last verse in particular!

For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church...now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands...husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing whith water through the Word, and to present to Himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless...and the two will become one flesh. This is a profound mystery - but I am talking about Christ and the Church.
Taken from Ephesians 5 23-32

My beliefs are not tied to my feelings, so my feelings do not get hurt if someone doesn't believe what I believe. My beliefs are tied to the Word of God - Old and New Testament, which I regard as infallible fact.

Also,many of our Church dogmas (not surprisingly) are actually based on scripture. (I do not subscribe to man-made dogmas.)

I think the bigger issue here is believing in the authority of the New Testament which I would regard as vital to anyone who claims to be a Christian. Personally I am a big fan of the letters of Paul.

evangeline

 

[buzzboodro]

God's ways are not man's ways

Do not "lower" God to our level to try to "understand" Him rather "raise" yourself into the realm of the Spirit which is the Kingdom of God and "see" the truth for yourself. God speaks in "simple terms" to His children that they may "start" to have understanding as any parent speaks to a "young child" not to confuse and frustrate them by speaking matters way above their comprehension. All "good" parents know that only with time comes fullness of knowledge.

 

[Christan]

"Our Father Who art In Heaven Hallowed Be thy name.Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" Now that sounds like bringing God Down to our level.There is a saying that Saints not so much want to go up to God but wish to Bring God closer to us where we are.ShalomJHS Christan

 

[Adstar]

There is a saying that Saints not so much want to go up to God but wish to Bring God closer to us where we are.

Saints already know that God is already with true Christians through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

There is no need to seek to get closer to someone who is within.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[BelifloRvrs]

On 4/25/ 05 at 6:17 PM Adstar Writes:

There is no need to seek to get closer to someone who is within.


True Marital Unions exist and progress to the degree it is receprocal and mutual— love unfolds and progresses.

Preparing as a bride for the Lord can also involve a relationship of mutual approach if we so choose. The Lord is closer than our next breath, but we turn away like the earth from the sun to the dark night states. We forget God and become unaware of God's Presence closer than our next breath.

Prayer, remembering the Lord, talking with God and bringing it all to Him, bringing all thoughts in obedience to Christ, are all progressions in a relationship of preparing as a bride that moves toward loving her betrothed with all her heart mind and soul breath to breath and more so breath to breath.

Progressions of Love want what is one's own to be the beloved's. We want our spouse to feel our love and we want to feel the love of our spouse.
The Lord is within but enters our upper room and sups with us when we open the door by approaching the entrance of His knocking.

peace,
Johnscot

 

[jmh137]

BelifloRvrs,
That was wonderful. I never disagreed with the tread starter about us being the bride of CHRIST. But I did not agree about CHRIST having one person in flesh for HIS bride. Maybe I misunderstood where he was coming from in his implications. But I don't believe that I was the only one who did take it that way. Worse came to worse and my posts offended to the point of being put on an ignore list. What I was trying to get across was that I believe (I may be wrong, I'll put it this way, It's between me and the LORD) that the LORD was in a form (as Daniel put it, one like as to the Son of Man) (there is a lot to be said about this alone as it made the Pharisees and all in the sanhedrin want to murder JESUS because he referred to HIMSELF in this manner) in eternity and in time past. HE always had a form, like unto the Son of Man ( [the] not [a] Son of Man everyone that studied the scriptures and were looking for the MESSIAH, knew it referred to the coming MESSIAH). My point being, HE laid HIS glory aside became human to redeem fallen man, died, was ressurected, appeared to the disciples (keep in mind that it said of that recording that HE apeared to some of them in another form, because they did not recogniz. HIM until their eyes were made to be open), ascended up to the right hand of the FATHER and resumed to have the glory and majesty that HE had always, always had before the foundation of the world (I'll go further and say all worlds or anything that may be out "there" or known to any being HE created). Anyway gotta go, I still very much disagree with the thread starter. Sorry if I took you wrong. I'm sure you will let me know, or maybe not. The LORD'S wii be done!!! Sorry to all for any misspelled words or other mistakes....jmh137

 

[BelifloRvrs]

On 4/26/05 at 10:36AM jmh137 writes:


My point being, HE laid HIS glory aside became human to redeem fallen man, died, was ressurected, appeared to the disciples (keep in mind that it said of that recording that HE apeared to some of them in another form, because they did not recogniz. HIM until their eyes were made to be open), ascended up to the right hand of the FATHER and resumed to have the glory and majesty that HE had always, always had before the foundation of the world (I'll go further and say all worlds or anything that may be out "there" or known to any being HE created). Anyway gotta go, I still very much disagree with the thread starter. Sorry if I took you wrong. I'm sure you will let me know, or maybe not. The LORD'S wii be done!!! Sorry to all for any misspelled words or other mistakes....jmh137



jmh137,

I am not good at following all the threads, but they do weave together into a whole cloth if we trust the weaver, the Hand that moves the thread without end.

Anyway, my response below is veering fromn the origuinal thread, it is a response to your above post about the incarnation of the Lord.
I am new and do not have the time or inclination right now to start a new thread, and this way you might even see my response. I am not out to persuade other to see, feel, or think about systematic theology the way I do, but I will offer food for though for you if interested.

You mentioned Jesus leaving His glory to incarnate in the flesh.
Many current idea in philosophy and theology discount the idea of an anthropormorphic God clinging to the old idea of an old man on a throne in some part of a spacial heaven
Islam will not allow any thoughts of God in the human form, but for Christianity, I see the incarnation of God to put on the Divine Human even unto the natual level, world, or plane as premier.

There have always been arguments about the immanence of an unchanging God versus the manifestation of the incarnation in a human form that becomes born into this world, and grows and transcends to an assumption of the Divine Natural Human to become, in my humble view, infinite and omnipresent Human on all levels, even unto the natural plane. It is a big concept because we are bound by our ideas of natural space and time, and I am proposing a transcendent state that transcends space and time while manifesting the Presence of God in all Totality at the inmost of even the natural plane. I can't explain it and it goes against the grain for many I am sure, but there it is. But I do not think it is something we should not think about or consider because of the fruitlessness of the consideration, as say, "what was before the creation" Another time and spacial bound concept.

Take what you need and leave the reat, but I offer the idea that God is now Being Itself, Uncreated, Infilite All in Totality at the Inmost of All, the Same in the greatest and least of all things, and since the assumption of the Divine Natural is also Manifestation Itself as the Lord God Jesus Christ.
(which, by the way, is why we can all have a personal relationship and talk with a God who is totally with us in all completeness and not a part of God with me and another part with you)

 

[jmh137]

BelifloRvrs,
Wow dude you sure do use some big words. I'll try to get some translator to explain to me. But, just so you know there's not too many places and thoughts that I haven't been or thought. I'm not bragging. What I mean is this; I have been into the deepest sin and also tried to think about GOD in every way except the way HE says in HIS WORD. Later on gotta go..... jmh137

 

[jmh137]

Is there anybody out there? .......jmh137

 

[spirit1st]

As you know ,A man and a woman are one spiritually .We are spirits as our LORd .We become one with the LORD .1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. We crave things of the world ?Because we do not walk in our new creature ,born of GOD .Our new inner being has no desire for the things of this world .Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Rev 20:6 KJV Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We ,Those BORN OF GOD ,are the church .We are HIS CHILDERN .We have HIS SPIRIT and are taught by the HOLY SPIRIT .We are no longer of this world ,but of new jerusalem .Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
We arte NOW MADE after the 2nd ADAM ,JESUS CHRIST ,we can not see our spirits .But it is them ,that the LORD shed HIS BLOOD FOR .1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: