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Do you believe in a secret rapture?


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rapture

I'm not sure about this rapture but it seems to be a very popular subject.

Mathew 24:3 to 24:14 - Jesus tells us about the signs of the times and the end of the age.

I think this would be the perfect place for Him to tell us if it was not going to happen at the very End.

Or maybe He was intentionally ambiguous.

Maybe there were even more saved just because they thought He was comming back sooner, even though He wasn't.

I just know that it doesn't matter what time the bus gets here....as long as my loved ones, anyone else I can convince to get on, and myself, are on it.
 
baconman...I believe it is mentioned in Revelations as well.
 
jjkirk said:
If all Christians were to suddenly be gone, and those who were left, how would they be able to come to know the Lord and salvation that only comes through Christ?

Thoughts?
after the rapture would be the tribulation...people would probably know how to get saved because of Bibles websites with salvation instructions, and there would still be people that had heard about how to get saved from their Christian friends. then they would probably figure out the rapture already happened,get saved and go tell everyone about the rapture so they will believe also
 
Maureen said:
I have a bit of a quandry going on in my head I wonder can any of you solve it for me.
When a Christian person passes away-goes to Glory, Heaven Yes? so therefore a non-Christian goes to Hell yes?
but it says in the Bible in Revelations that at the second coming of our Lord Jesus the dead shall rise first to meet up with those christian's left in the world to meet in the air then shall take place the day of Judgement, so how can we go to Heaven or Hell now in passing on?
Hope you understand what I mean.
Thank you.
ive heard it said like this:
all the dead are suppossed to go to a ''1st section of Heaven'' (per se, everyone sees God and the new Heaven at the same time
 
Hi everyone,

Good discussion. The scripture teaches that the spirits of the saved go to be with the Lord in heaven if we die before Christ's return. Also notice at Christ's return there is going to be another event.

II Peter 3:10-13 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hastinga unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
http://www.talkjesus.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=3487#_ftn2a hasting...: or, hasting the coming

http://www.talkjesus.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=3487#_ftnref2The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (2 Pe 3:10-13).

This present earth and the sin in it will be destroyed the instant Christ returns by the brightness of His coming.

II Thess 2:8-10 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.http://www.talkjesus.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=3487#_ftn1http://www.talkjesus.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=3487#_ftnref1The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (2 Th 2:8-10).

That new earth I believe will be our final home. Our spirits go to be with the Lord in heaven until Christ's return then they are joined with our ressurected bodies to inhabit the new earth.
 
The scripture teaches that the spirits of the saved go to be with the Lord in heaven if we die before Christ's return. Crossway were is this piece written I would love to read it over.
 
It is really nice to see so many asking the questions. Its good because it shows you are still listening to the LORD instead of to man, if you know what I mean, and I know you do. Because there are several rapture doctrines certainly being put forth these days. Ezekiel 13 speaks specifically to those who teach such a doctrine, whereby we who hear about it, can go to God's word to see what He has told us.

Re: the latter days, of which we are apart, Christ said,

Mar 13:21Andthenifany manshallsaytoyou,Lo,hereisChrist;or,lo,heisthere;believehimnot:

Mar 13:22Forfalse Christsandfalse prophetsshallrise,andshallshowsignsandwonders,toseduce,ifitwerepossible,eventheelect.

Mar 13:23But take ye heed:behold,I have foretold you all things.

Mar 13:24Butinthosedays,after that tribulation,the sun shall be darkened,and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:25And the stars of heaven shall fall,and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.


These stars are the same stars Christ is speaking of when He told us it will be as in the days of Noah. These stars are angels like in Genesis 6. The first chapter of Job also calls angels stars regarding the sons of God. We are the sons of men. Angels are the sons of God. Sons of God in the OT are referred to as being stars, which is a metaphore. Job 38 tells us the stars of heaven shouted for joy and all the sons of God sang together, which is another figure of speach called metonymy, which is one thing put for another.


We have it in many places what shall be the events leading to Christ's return, and how, with all the time elements given to us, leading us right up to the last hours. While we can't know the hour, we have been told the day. Of course, will only know it when it becomes manifest, when we see the event unfolding.

One thing I hold suspect, is when doctrines are based upon one or two verses that add or remove many other clearly stated, set realities.


The rapture enthusiest must be abel to fit all the pieces of the picture together, just like any Bible truths. I have yet to hear where a rapture of any kind fits in to Christs words when He tells us to believe it not?


or that satan will come first, or when He prayed in John17 for no one to be taken out of the world, but to be delivered from the evil [one]?


or, that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven?,


or, that we shall all, get that, all be changed in a moment?,


or that He will come as lightening from the east to the west? which we shall see because we will be changed into those transfigured bodies,


or, that when He comes His feet will touch the Mt of Olives and the earth will cleave the Mt in two?


or, why it nowhere says He comes back for a third advent?,


or, why must one read into a verse, and connect it with subjects that are not specifically supporting the rapture?,

such as the church?,

it doesn't actually say it is talking about the church, so, what, God wanted us to insert it in for Him?

Does that make sense to conclude since God didn't actually say it directly, we should do it for Him. As I read the Bible, God seems to be very clear, repeating His message over and over, knowing that great spiritual foe is going to try to deceive us:


2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for thatdayshallnotcome, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

It it very straightforward: Don't let any man deceive you, that day shall not come until there be a falling away from the truth AND satan arrives defacto claiming to be Jesus, standing in Jerusalem working great signs and wonders. We are also warned about satan transforming his angels into ministers of righteousness.



God must of been trying to warn us about something specific, cause there is so many warnings about watching, don't let man deceive you in doctrine, that shall not come until, all will be changed who are alive, flesh and blood cannot enter, He comes at the last trumpet, &tc, &tc.


What and why is God spending so much time warning us about, telling us noone is leaving, if it isn't so?
 
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My study of the word has shown me that there is no reference to "rapture". If you find a reference, let me know.
 
I voted but it seems that I mistook the meaning of "secret rapture". What does that really mean?
 
How can the disaperance of millions be a secret?

Well when there are the clothes of all those raptured on the ground and all the car crashes because of no drivers... let not talk airplanes as well..

I think the rapture will no longer be a secret... do you?
 
NewMan said:
I think the rapture will no longer be a secret... do you?


That's an excellent point. I've usually interpreted the "gathering together" as a spiritual one.

"First the natural, then the spiritual" as 1 Corinthians tells us.
 
I have not seen this thread before now.

The word rapture is not mentioned in the bible As also the word trinity is not mentioned in the bible. The words used are "caught up"


1 Thess 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Revelation 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.


All Praise The Ancient of Days

PS: I am not a believer in the popular view of rapture. That is the one that is called pre-tribulation rapture. But i believe in the catching up. I believe it will happen upon the return of the Messiah Jesus.
 
parasons said:
I voted but it seems that I mistook the meaning of "secret rapture". What does that really mean?

Basically it is a belief some have; that all Christians will be taken up to be with Jesus before the tribulation, and everyone else will have to live through the tribulation ie.. the antichrist, the bowls of wrath... etc... Like in the fictional books, and movies the "Left behind" series.
Hope this helps.

Peace be with you,
John.
 
I believe in the rapture ,but it is not called the rature in the bible .I saw the city ,NEW JERUSALEM heading toward earth very fast in 1976 ,I went to that city after my death .death is when our spirit leaves our bodys .I have had this 2 times .I believe HE will only recieve those born of GOD and looking for HIS coming as with all things to us ?We accept by FAITH every TRUTh the HOLY SPIRIT reveals to us .
 
By definition Rapture means: The state of being carried away with joy, love, ectasy. An expression of great joy. Some people may get caught up in the mere word but the meaning is the same. We will be caught up. Trinity is defined as a set of 3 persons or things that forms a unit. God reaches us through these 3 spirits for lack of a better word, or we reach god by being taught by the holy spirit , being seen clean and blameless through Jesus Christ to reach El-ohim. The little scirmishes in spiritual circles profit little and reveal even less about the all encompassing god.
 
hi many blessings//if god took all the christians out/those on earth would be in hell/i think this earth is a testing place and the people who havent found the greatness in the word of god/stayhere/we know that the earth is getting more taken by evil//wars/murders etc/so it will be hell on earth.reply//peace in jesus our saviour//gelly
 
No body knows when Jesus is coming.

He is coming when least expected.

God bless you.
 
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I believe (2 Cor. 5:6-8) "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I believe (Lk 23:43) "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise".

I believe (Acts 7:56) "And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God".

According to these scriptures, I believe that when we die we are with Jesus and Jesus is at the right hand of God in Heaven.


The Rapture is an "end times" event where Jesus Christ returns for His Church and believers who are "alive and remain shall be caught up together…in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" (I Th. 4:16-17).

This is the time of the resurrection, where each Christian receives his or her resurrected body. First to receive their new bodies are those who have died as Christians, and then, those who are "alive and remain."
 
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