Seven approaches to the LGBT Community

[Christ4Ever]

I do not compare M-M relationships to the biblical Man-Female wife in any way. M-M does not qualify for marriage, but in addition, I do not see the sins of fornication and adultery anywhere in scripture applied to any M-M sin. So, the approach of all sex outside of marriage may be sin in the consideration of M-F, who are eligible to marry; but the argument I see has no force applied to M-M.

Therein is why you cannot and/or will not ever be able to see M-M as a sin against God. By looking at it in that way, you've given them a special standing/dispensation if you will before God that cannot also be supported by scripture. Even though you would disagree that M-M is unacceptable, why doesn't scripture still address the M-M in marriage/relationship as being acceptable?

This does not mean that I do not see boundaries, or guidelines for M-M relationships, though not so clearly defined as with M-F. Obviously abuse whether rape or even emotional abuse would be sin. I believe faithfulness applies to any relationship between individuals, so that also applies.

Sadly, by doing the above you are picking and choosing what to accept and allowing for whatever you decide is acceptable and would not apply to what you put forth earlier about marriage if it were true. The only reason I can see is that you do not like to have no boundaries because of the negative impact that would have in M-M relationships. So, these and I'm sure others seem acceptable and needful for the relationship to be a positive one. lol

So, would you then find no wrong for the members in my church who broke up a marriage with a Female since by what you have presented, they are not held by the boundaries of a heterosexual relationship except maybe for the sake of propriety but not because Scripture says so?

BUT, I really do understand the situation a truly Bible-believing Pastor may have dealing with the situation of a member of the church family who is dealing with this situation. Since so much would depend on the personality of the Pastor himself, it seems a church needs to have some sort of statement that can cover such matters in general. I admit I cannot expect believers to all agree, so the best solution that I can see may be as follows.

I won't add the rest or address the individual precepts that you believe would be helpful for a pastor/church to consider implementing.
What I see that you are doing here, is just replacing/excluding scripture with manmade prerogatives instead. Bad road to attempt to follow.

I can certainly understand the Christian who can't see M-M sexual relationships as anything other than sin. Maybe from that perspective, it is the residual manifestation of Original Sin found in the best of Christians and it just remains a struggle that brings about bitterness and constant sadness and depression. I do not believe simple M-M relationships with physical intimacy is necessarily sinful unless it entails promiscuity and abusiveness.

Sadly, that is why we will never agree, because you've excluded even that which would have seen M-M as sin in anyway shape or form. Doing so means then there is nothing anyone has to repent of morally speaking and so they remain in their sin. And that is really why we will not agree.

I went online with the Windows 95 and immediately began debating theology and the hot-button topics like homosexuality and abortion. In so doing, I did my best and most successful study when I was challenged. If my stirring up angers in some believers, maybe it will lead to more study also.

At the very least it will keep the topic on the forefront that one's afflicted will seek Jesus Christ, repent of all sins and be healed.

Take care and God bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Garee]

It is difficult to explain, if the sin of Sodom was homosexuality, why did Jesus not use that as the example instead of the rejection of the messengers of God? Jesus applied the sin of Sodom as not receiving the messengers of God. Jesus not once hinted that the sin of Sodom was a male to male sexual sin. Ezekiel made clear what the sin of Sodom was:

I would offer for one thing it was the apostles he sent. Those homosexuals' desired to have non reproductive sex with the apostles .

In that way he rejected the union of MM .

Friends can be friend without reproduction responsibilities. Not rights. Christian's have responsibilities .Male his, female hers.

It is true, for the elect of whatever nature and persuasion, if he is looking to Jesus Christ's payment for his sins on the cross; and looks solely to Jesus Christ as his righteousness, rather than his own perceived progress in sanctification; that person is justified, saved, and loved by God Almighty and rescued by God the Son in his mission into our world.

Not whatever nature and persuasion but a supernatural Let there be and it was good work of the Spirit.

Sons of God not knowing what we will be when receiving the new incorruptible bodies. . being neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile the bride of wife of Christ.

It would appear you are saying the ressurection has come. The hope of reincarnation false religion . . come back whatsoever you can identify as male female, animal, fish etc.

Satan the identity thief the racist Misogynist

We are not what we will be. but that does not mean we can just imgaine boys need tampons. Satan trying to divide what God calls one and calls one what God calls many . He made Mankind male and female . Not Male and Male

No reproducing in the new heavens and earth , No Appearance of Quern of heaven along with the 3,500 and rising patron saints his and hers gods in the likeness of mankind

Overthrew the faithful (understanding of God ) of some, they repented.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[MedicBravo]

I would offer for one thing it was the apostles he sent. Those homosexuals' desired to have non reproductive sex with the apostles .

In that way he rejected the union of MM .

Friends can be friend without reproduction responsibilities. Not rights. Christian's have responsibilities .Male his, female hers.


Not whatever nature and persuasion but a supernatural Let there be and it was good work of the Spirit.

Sons of God not knowing what we will be when receiving the new incorruptible bodies. . being neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile the bride of wife of Christ.

It would appear you are saying the ressurection has come. The hope of reincarnation false religion . . come back whatsoever you can identify as male female, animal, fish etc.

Satan the identity thief the racist Misogynist

We are not what we will be. but that does not mean we can just imgaine boys need tampons. Satan trying to divide what God calls one and calls one what God calls many . He made Mankind male and female . Not Male and Male

No reproducing in the new heavens and earth , No Appearance of Quern of heaven along with the 3,500 and rising patron saints his and hers gods in the likeness of mankind

Overthrew the faithful (understanding of God ) of some, they repented.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Sodom and Gomorrah were two of the WORST places in the known world.
Some of the sins prevalent there are shown without labeling it outright.
"And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
To "know" someone back then was to have sex with them; willingly or not. The KJV uses "carnally".
The debate on "which one was the biggest/most common" isn't agreed on.
Sodomy IS named for that city. "There is the Latin term gomorrhaeus (Italian "gomorreo") that derive from Gomorrah, meaning 'sodomite'."

Rape. Murder. Incest. Child sacrifice. Abuse. Theft. If you can think of a sin or wrongdoing then most likely it was done in both places.
People warned everyone they could to AVOID them.

Sodom and Gomorrah: What Was the Primary Sin?

While many believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of rampant homosexual behavior, others say Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of pride.

answersingenesis.org

 

[Garee]

Sodom and Gomorrah were two of the WORST places in the known world.
Some of the sins prevalent there are shown without labeling it outright.
"And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
To "know" someone back then was to have sex with them; willingly or not. The KJV uses "carnally".
The debate on "which one was the biggest/most common" isn't agreed on.
Sodomy IS named for that city. "There is the Latin term gomorrhaeus (Italian "gomorreo") that derive from Gomorrah, meaning 'sodomite'."

Rape. Murder. Incest. Child sacrifice. Abuse. Theft. If you can think of a sin or wrongdoing then most likely it was done in both places.
People warned everyone they could to AVOID them.

Sodom and Gomorrah: What Was the Primary Sin?

While many believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of rampant homosexual behavior, others say Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of pride.

answersingenesis.org

Amen calls out men not angels a fake word .

Yes city of salt the fiery judgment consumes life

 

[Dylan569]

I revere and highly respect the KJV, and use it daily, but I wonder how many are aware that King James was reported to have had 3 males lovers, though he was married with children?

James VI/James I’s Love Life: The British King whose Lovers were Men — History is Now Magazine, Podcasts, Blog and Books | Modern International and American history

James VI of Scotland (later also crowned James I of England) is a king of some ambiguity: he was both intellectually wise (possibly one of the cleverest kings that either England or Scotland has had), yet also remarkably foolish in how he allowed his heart to rule his head. But James was not a man o

www.historyisnowmagazine.com

Sexuality of James VI and I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the full, complete Epistle Dedicatory to King James by the translators includes the following phrases about or to King James:

"Defender of the Faith"

"Your very name is precious among them: their eye doth behold You with comfort, and they bless You in their hearts, as that sanctified Person, who, under God, is the immediate Author of their true happiness."

"the zeal of Your Majesty toward the house of God doth not slack or go backward, but is more and more kindled, manifesting itself abroad in the farthest parts of Christendom"

"we hold it our duty to offer it to Your Majesty, not only as to our King and Sovereign, but as to the principal Mover and Author of the work: humbly craving of Your most Sacred Majesty, that since things of this quality have ever been subject to the censures of ill-meaning and discontented persons, it may receive approbation and patronage from so learned and judicious a Prince as Your Highness is,"

"The Lord of heaven and earth bless Your Majesty with many and happy days, that, as his heavenly hand hath enriched Your Highness with many singular and extraordinary graces, so You may be the wonder of the world in this latter age for happiness and true felicity, to the honour of that great GOD, and the good of his Church, through Jesus Christ our Lord and only Saviour."

THE EPISTLE DEDICATORY TO THE 1611 AUTHORIZED VERSION

It would appear that King James in his day, drew a clear distinction between sodomy, and a man having 3 male lovers.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I revere and highly respect the KJV, and use it daily, but I wonder how many are aware that King James was reported to have had 3 males lovers, though he was married with children?

It would appear that King James in his day, drew a clear distinction between sodomy, and a man having 3 male lovers.

I guess King James was a sinner no different than you, me, and the rest of us that you can find both in and out of Scripture.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[MedicBravo]

We all have our own struggles.
If you want examples of those who have devoted more of their life to God, look at the nuns, monks, priests, etc.
No one is anywhere near perfect.
When God has truly changed you, the old you is dead. I'm not expert on KJ but he had enough of a life change to standardize the Bible.