So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!

[Bill]

So then by your definition I'm absolutely non-denominational. Never met a christian I completely agree with. I don't completely agree with myself from a year ago and I certainly hope next year me doesn't fully agree with this year me. When I'll be face to face with Jesus will be the first time I have the full truth and completely agree with anyone. 1COR 13:12

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom, and humor

What I was saying is that if you call yourself non-denominational that means you are by yourself. But if you're with another person that agrees with your thinking then the two of you together have become a denomination.

And in the Scripture Jesus states where two or more are gathered in my name, so obviously Jesus is promoting denominations LOL. I hope you take it in jest.

Also something to think about, God is huge about family. The way that he brought the Israelites together as a family and the way that he brings us together as a family, and in quite a bit of the teaching about the collection of characters all of us Christians out there, Jesus also talks about family and so does Paul.

So it seems like it's pretty important to me that you cannot be an island to yourself, if you wish to be part of the church in the sense of the collection of Christians, then you'll have to become part of the whole and not by yourself.

I wanted to talk also about how you were talking about how you've changed, that you are not yourself as you were a year ago and so on. This is all part of growth. When we were baby Christians, you think as baby Christians do everything is word for word in the scripture. If it says an eye for an eye that means I for an eye. Jesus tells us if the left hand causes evil Chop It Off. Baby Christians think that way all the time. It's kind of humorous to listen to Baby Christians because they always think it they know it all. Then you have the Adolescent Christians. Like the teenagers.

Right before my children became teenagers I told every single one of them the same thing, teenagers think they know everything when they know nothing.

This is true with adolescent Christians, they think they know it all. If you thought that the baby Christians felt that way then The Adolescents certainly feel that way.

An example of adolescent Christians, you have to go to church on Sunday. You can't go to church on Saturday. Sunday is the day.

Or another example is the King James version is the only Bible.

These things of course or not true, but you couldn't convince those adolescent Christians any of that if you tried. People who have walked in the Lord for a long time they have grown up in the Lord understand that the holy day for God is the day that you make holy. The vast majority of course make Sunday the holy day. Maybe your life doesn't allow that so you make a day holy for God. To be honest with you we should probably make every day holy for God but we need to make one day holy for God that's all he requires.

As for Bibles well, I like the Jerusalem bible. But I don't sit there and tell everybody it's the only Bible That's foolishness. It's like saying that the Baptist got it all figured out or the Catholics got it all figured out or every other denomination has it all figured out. Or an individual say I got it all figured out I'm by myself.

God looks at all of us, from the youngest to the oldest, from the youngest churches to the oldest churches and he cherishes all of us. And from what I know of God from reading the scripture, he finds a little humor in us too.

It's written in the Book of Jonah where after Jonah had preached to the people of Nineveh, and Jonah was upset with God because he knew exactly what would happen if he preached to the people of Nineveh, that they would be saved. It states in the scripture that God allowed a plant to grow up quickly in a single day and a shade Jonah from the Sun, and to soothe his ill humor

 

[Richard Aberdeen]

This OP consists of:

Section 1 - Venting
Section 2 - Explaining what a Christian is
Section 3 - Concluding argument

Section 1 - Venting:

I am so tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is! It has been suggested that Judas was a Christian. That a Christian can lose their salvation if they make mistakes just before they die. Or that God cherry picks some humans and makes them Christians.

When these statements are made it is crystal clear to me that A - The individual has no clue as to what a Christian is and B - The individual has no clue as to who God is.

Now, none of these individuals are necessary bad people. Anyone striving to be a Christian is a good person. The better people you will meet in society. But for crying out aloud, scripture is so clear and simple on the topic. There is no need to stumble yourself, others and misrepresent God.

The following beliefs are terrible!

A - When we teach that Judas was a Christian, we are teaching that God is a fool that would wash clean in His blood someone who would betray Him. This is absolute nonsense! God is not a fool!

B - When we teach that a Christian can lose their salvation in year 50 of servitude, we imply that God is unjust and evil. The thief next to Jesus on the cross had no servitude and went to paradise. A Christian who does the same (accepts Jesus) and then gives servitude of 49 years, can according to some go off into eternal hell. This is absolute nonsense! God is not unjust and evil!

C - When we teach that God cherry picks people for heaven, this implies partiality. Favouritism. Respecter of persons. No accountability on our part. Every verse in scripture outside of Rom 9:21 has flown over their heads. This implies God is unjust and evil. God is not unjust and evil!

God is NOT a fool. He does not graft a demon into heaven and make a mistake in kicking one out. He is able to search the depths of our hearts and minds Jer 17:9-12. We are fools that can think we are saved. And that is the only space that anti-OSAS believers should operate in. The only reason for verses like Phil 2:12 and 1 Cor 10:12. God is certainly not the fool. Every prophet that knew God better then you are I, said that God is good Psalm 136:1, just Job 34:12, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5 and no respecter of persons Acts 10:34.

In fact, Job says it should be unthinkable that God pervert justice or do what is wicked Job 34:12!!! Unthinkable!!!

And yet we have Christians that propose the unthinkable! It is truly unbelievable!

Section 2 - So, what is a Christian?

A Christian is someone who has been washed clean of their sin by the blood of Jesus Heb 9:14 and are grafted into the family of God Rom 11:11-24. They can now call God their Father Rom 8:15-17!

For this to happen, we have to pass a session of God's righteous judgement Jer 17:9-12. Open the door to Jesus so to speak Rev 3:20.

God judges the depths of our hearts and minds for sincerity. in either of the following:

A - Repentance of sin Psalm 51:17
B - Servitude James 1:27
C - Martyrdom Rev 2:10

If we pass, we are washed clean of our sins by the blood of Jesus 1 John 1:7-9 and grafted into the family of God Rom 11:11-24. Given the faith to believe Rom 12:3 that Jesus was not merely a man, but Lord 1 Cor 12:3.

So, now we need to ask questions like the following:

1. Would Judas have betrayed Jesus if he was resurrected to life after dying as a martyr? I think NOT!!!
2. Would you send to eternal prison someone who committed venial sins in your house in year 50 of their servitude, after they took a bullet for you? I think NOT!!!
3. Would God cherry pick for heaven someone who from free will cannot pass judgement on sincerity in A,B or C? I think NOT!!!!

We may still make mistakes of sin as Paul alludes to in Rom 7:15. But make no mistake, sinning is no longer in our nature Rom 6:6. It is against our nature. A Christian will hate what is evil and cling to what is good Rom 12:9.

Section 3 - Conclusion:

Christianity is a deep and permanent bond between a Creator and His creation. A bond at the maximum depth of intent. There is a 10/10 commitment from humans to God and a 10/10 commitment from God to humans. Fully adopted sons and daughters of God Rom 8:15-17. Family in a blood covenant with God Luke 22:20.

John 15:13 is clear that the greatest act of love is to lay your life down. God expects nothing less! Matt 16:24. As He gave us nothing less! John 3:16.

Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me''.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Being a Christian is a great honour. A creation forever bonded to the Creator of all.

In Acts, Paul and his companions never refer to themselves as "christians" but rather, as followers of "the way". The term "christian" in the First Century was not associated with a religion called Christianity, which isn't in the Bible and a religion called Christianity didn't exist in the First Century.

In Search of the Real Jesus

 

[Richard Aberdeen]

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.​

(Matthew 5:43-48 KJV)

Perhaps God loves Judas.

Rhema

God loves everyone. God also punishes the wicked; even a human judge knows better than to not punish the wicked. How fair and just would God be if Adolf Hitler and Paul received the same reward?

 

[Richard Aberdeen]

This OP consists of:

Section 1 - Venting
Section 2 - Explaining what a Christian is
Section 3 - Concluding argument

Section 1 - Venting:

I am so tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is! It has been suggested that Judas was a Christian. That a Christian can lose their salvation if they make mistakes just before they die. Or that God cherry picks some humans and makes them Christians.

When these statements are made it is crystal clear to me that A - The individual has no clue as to what a Christian is and B - The individual has no clue as to who God is.

Now, none of these individuals are necessary bad people. Anyone striving to be a Christian is a good person. The better people you will meet in society. But for crying out aloud, scripture is so clear and simple on the topic. There is no need to stumble yourself, others and misrepresent God.

The following beliefs are terrible!

A - When we teach that Judas was a Christian, we are teaching that God is a fool that would wash clean in His blood someone who would betray Him. This is absolute nonsense! God is not a fool!

B - When we teach that a Christian can lose their salvation in year 50 of servitude, we imply that God is unjust and evil. The thief next to Jesus on the cross had no servitude and went to paradise. A Christian who does the same (accepts Jesus) and then gives servitude of 49 years, can according to some go off into eternal hell. This is absolute nonsense! God is not unjust and evil!

C - When we teach that God cherry picks people for heaven, this implies partiality. Favouritism. Respecter of persons. No accountability on our part. Every verse in scripture outside of Rom 9:21 has flown over their heads. This implies God is unjust and evil. God is not unjust and evil!

God is NOT a fool. He does not graft a demon into heaven and make a mistake in kicking one out. He is able to search the depths of our hearts and minds Jer 17:9-12. We are fools that can think we are saved. And that is the only space that anti-OSAS believers should operate in. The only reason for verses like Phil 2:12 and 1 Cor 10:12. God is certainly not the fool. Every prophet that knew God better then you are I, said that God is good Psalm 136:1, just Job 34:12, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5 and no respecter of persons Acts 10:34.

In fact, Job says it should be unthinkable that God pervert justice or do what is wicked Job 34:12!!! Unthinkable!!!

And yet we have Christians that propose the unthinkable! It is truly unbelievable!

Section 2 - So, what is a Christian?

A Christian is someone who has been washed clean of their sin by the blood of Jesus Heb 9:14 and are grafted into the family of God Rom 11:11-24. They can now call God their Father Rom 8:15-17!

For this to happen, we have to pass a session of God's righteous judgement Jer 17:9-12. Open the door to Jesus so to speak Rev 3:20.

God judges the depths of our hearts and minds for sincerity. in either of the following:

A - Repentance of sin Psalm 51:17
B - Servitude James 1:27
C - Martyrdom Rev 2:10

If we pass, we are washed clean of our sins by the blood of Jesus 1 John 1:7-9 and grafted into the family of God Rom 11:11-24. Given the faith to believe Rom 12:3 that Jesus was not merely a man, but Lord 1 Cor 12:3.

So, now we need to ask questions like the following:

1. Would Judas have betrayed Jesus if he was resurrected to life after dying as a martyr? I think NOT!!!
2. Would you send to eternal prison someone who committed venial sins in your house in year 50 of their servitude, after they took a bullet for you? I think NOT!!!
3. Would God cherry pick for heaven someone who from free will cannot pass judgement on sincerity in A,B or C? I think NOT!!!!

We may still make mistakes of sin as Paul alludes to in Rom 7:15. But make no mistake, sinning is no longer in our nature Rom 6:6. It is against our nature. A Christian will hate what is evil and cling to what is good Rom 12:9.

Section 3 - Conclusion:

Christianity is a deep and permanent bond between a Creator and His creation. A bond at the maximum depth of intent. There is a 10/10 commitment from humans to God and a 10/10 commitment from God to humans. Fully adopted sons and daughters of God Rom 8:15-17. Family in a blood covenant with God Luke 22:20.

John 15:13 is clear that the greatest act of love is to lay your life down. God expects nothing less! Matt 16:24. As He gave us nothing less! John 3:16.

Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me''.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Being a Christian is a great honour. A creation forever bonded to the Creator of all.

Acts says that followers of Jesus were first called "christians" in Antioch. But Paul and his companions in Acts never refer to themselves as Christians. Rather, through the end of Acts they continue to refer to themselves as followers of "the way". Do you know better than Paul???

 

[KingJ]

Acts says that followers of Jesus were first called "christians" in Antioch. But Paul and his companions in Acts never refer to themselves as Christians. Rather, through the end of Acts they continue to refer to themselves as followers of "the way". Do you know better than Paul???

Richard, what exactly is your point? You quote my entire OP and make a point that seems unrelated to anything said. In both your posts, I have no clue what you are on about. Please clarify.

 

[Twistie]

Other people called them a Christian they didn't call themselves one..it is written don't be offended when called one its meant as a derogatory word like someone calling me a dirty mic cause i have irish in me..yet the proud and the boastful will take pride in a name that came from below not above..


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