Stumbling in sin, versus falling away! Hebrews 6

[Hannah1]

Jesus is kind and merciful and always forgive, same time He is righteous and fair and stand for truth and all right, and have all power, but what we fail to grasp is He blends it perfectly, and judge perfectly. If someone believe in Him, He will forgive. All one has to do is turn to Him and work WITH Him. Sure He uses correction too, but not to harm. Its like a child sometimes you have to be harder and put boundaries. And yes that is why He has His laws. But since He came He said he wants mercy and forgiveness.

 

[Hannah1]

Many people view God according to how they view their parents. Just a thought. But, Jesus warned people but He talked about mercy and forgiveness. And not to judge. He nailed all sin to the cross. Don`t forget that

 

[KingJ]

I don't know what non-OSAS believer means.

Isaiah 1; 18
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

I reason with people out of the law and the testimony. I know that scriptures can be used out of context and you should be aware of that as well. I have said it many times but I am not too interested convincing anyone of anything. I warn people because if I don't I will be in trouble with God and I have enough fear of God to do what he asked me to do.

Now since you already labeling with a label I don't know about. I am wondering if there is any point to this because a made up mind is a made up mind. I clearly quoted a scripture where GOD gave Saul his holy spirit and then took it from him. God doesn't change and you don't have any examples that states otherwise. I may or may not address the verses you used after you tell me what OSAS is

Is it too much to ask you to read and digest a short post?

You want me to debate OSAS with you when you don't even know what it stands for, or seem able to read and grasp the simple point I made in post # 5.

As with Dave, I can already see this conversation heading to the moon via Jupiter. I will wait for you to put some effort into reading post # 5 and googling the meaning of OSAS.

 

[JunoTheServant]

It is good it was that way for you and those it happens for, but for many, it still take months and years in their own sanctification process which is different for everyone. Some people have to go through their past sin and current in stages, as not being a one off switch finish process or thing. Sometimes God work that way.

Not disagreeing with you. I am not GOD, he said he will have mercy on whom he will. I was initially discussing willful repetitive sin. Not those suffering from addiction but like I said GOD can take care of any problem you may have. Sometimes It may take a bit of fasting but again people are not taught.

As long as a person is willing to work with God

How do you work with GOD?

So that is why I say it depends on their intent. And can we really know where they are at, often not. All we see is the surface, but we don`t see if they are in the process or not, if they work with God or not. It might not even be something they want to tell anyone or us. Maybe they tell their pastor. Some might view it as a case between them and God. Here is where we have to be so careful we do not judge falsely. Unless we know, for sure.

You are not giving much context because if you are addicted to stealing, God will get you to stop right away. If you are addicted to gambling that's a different problem since gambling is not sin. So you need to classify this addiction you are speaking of first. I asked you a question and I have read the response yet.

But most times it is better to offer support to a person, not many if anyone have turned from anything or got better by someone screaming you are a sinner. We have to help them, support them, for them to get better. Maybe that is what we don`t see when we think churches are allowing things. In some cases sure they might actually allow and not care. I agree there. But, if we don`t know, and if we haven`t done anything to support, how can we truly say what is what? How would you like to be treated, if it was you? because truth is we can fall in to some pretty disturbed things at times.

I quoted Verses from Paul that said admonish him as a brother, so in no way I am saying to scream at someone they are a sinner. I'm not sure you even read the bible verse I posted.

According to feast days and sabbaths Paul says that the agreement with the rest of the jewish believers was to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood,and sexual immorality. He says let noone judge you in questions of food and drink, and new moons and sabbaths and that The Lord is Lord over the sabbaths. Meaning as long as you keep this, you are free regarding the rest, also that God came to abolish and fulfill the comands. (I`m not going to argue about sabbath here as it is another topic)
And oh, also abstain from sexual immorality. That was it. And this was at a time the jewish believers wanted the christians to be circumcised and follow all feast days.
But Paul was speaking from God. So to say that christians "must" keep all feast days that is not true. Not according to the bible and Paul.
Jesus also said He wants forgiveness, and mercy. And that you shall forgive the sinner 770 times meaning always. That if you do not forgive others their sins he will not forgive you.

That's not what Paul meant but ok. Have a good day.

 

[JunoTheServant]

Is it too much to ask you to read and digest a short post?

You want me to debate OSAS with you when you don't even know what it stands for, or seem able to read and grasp the simple point I made in post # 5.

As with Dave, I can already see this conversation heading to the moon via Jupiter. I will wait for you to put some effort into reading post # 5 and googling the meaning of OSAS.

I believe what is written. Both the law and the testimony not what Pastors say out of their mouths. I'm a bible Christian, won't put no effort into googling any disrespectful terms you are throwing my way.

Have a good day though.

 

[Hannah1]

Not disagreeing with you. I am not GOD, he said he will have mercy on whom he will. I was initially discussing willful repetitive sin. Not those suffering from addiction but like I said GOD can take care of any problem you may have. Sometimes It may take a bit of fasting but again people are not taught.

How do you work with GOD?

You are not giving much context because if you are addicted to stealing, God will get you to stop right away. If you are addicted to gambling that's a different problem since gambling is not sin. So you need to classify this addiction you are speaking of first. I asked you a question and I have read the response yet.

I quoted Verses from Paul that said admonish him as a brother, so in no way I am saying to scream at someone they are a sinner. I'm not sure you even read the bible verse I posted.

That's not what Paul meant but ok. Have a good day.

Isn`t that simple, you collaborate with God, you do your part, and God does His. You just don`t sit and wait, you take proactive actions, you research, you get help, you deal with the problem, all the while talking to God and asking HIm to help. It is not just a one way street. If you can do something, you should. Like, don`t just ask God for a job, but apply. that is what I mean here.
No, there are many many cases God won`t stop you stealing. Many shops can testify to they just keep going. For many reasons.

 

[Hannah1]

Then who are willingly sinning, really? what if they come back to God just like the lost son? who are WE to say who is and is not? And Jesus said forgiveness is there, for those that repent. still.

 

[JunoTheServant]

tyrant is an absolute ruler who holds unlimited power and uses it in a cruel, oppressive, or unjust way.

Well this is not what I was trying to say but that is how you define a Tyrant. The definition I was looking at was a ruler who has absolute power and Jesus did say he have all power.

All I am saying is that Christ is going to rule this world in righteousness and no one can stop him, pretty sure I add righteous but of course you ignore that.

Do you celebrate the feast of tabernacles?

I am assuming you don't based on your response. Well if Jesus doesn't kill you when he comes back, you will be celebrating it and if you love Christmas that will be done with because that holiday is an abomination in the LORD's eyes.

 

[JunoTheServant]

Isn`t that simple, you collaborate with God, you do your part, and God does His. You just don`t sit and wait, you take proactive actions, you research, you get help, you deal with the problem, all the while talking to God and asking HIm to help. It is not just a one way street. If you can do something, you should. Like, don`t just ask God for a job, but apply. that is what I mean here.
No, there are many many cases God won`t stop you stealing. Many shops can testify to they just keep going. For many reasons.

Ok

 

[Twistie]

Well this is not what I was trying to say but that is how you define a Tyrant. The definition I was looking at was a ruler who has absolute power and Jesus did say he have all power.

All I am saying is that Christ is going to rule this world in righteousness and no one can stop him, pretty sure I add righteous but of course you ignore that.

Do you celebrate the feast of tabernacles?

I am assuming you don't based on your response. Well if Jesus doesn't kill you when he comes back, you will be celebrating it and if you love Christmas that will be done with because that holiday is an abomination in the LORD's eyes.

Ya know what they say about people that assume? Tho many need or wait to celebrate being in the Lord i do not.. this is the day the Lord has made..tho many give days they have been blessed to serve and worship to he who roams the world we do not..tho i need not to justify myself to you. Im j.s. you seem to think if i am understanding all the word salad you have thrown out here that you think you something special you think of yourself better then hitler am i understand you correct ? You seem to think that Abba put more time into you then those you think are unworthy of grace and mercy am i understanding you correctly?
You dont believe in free will am i understanding you correctly?

I know i have a hard time following words salad but is that What you are trying to state with all that you have written?..

Thanks!

 

[Hannah1]

Christians are not required to celebrate feast of tabernacles. The only thing we are required to hold is passover. Some denominations scream about christmas tree, but plenty of christians have one, and think its about the intent.

 

[JunoTheServant]

Ya know what they say about people that assume? Tho many need or wait to celebrate being in the Lord i do not.. this is the day the Lord has made..tho many give days they have been blessed to serve and worship to he who roams the world we do not..tho i need not to justify myself to you. Im j.s. you seem to think if i am understanding all the word salad you have thrown out here that you think you something special you think of yourself better then hitler am i understand you correct ? You seem to think that Abba put more time into you then those you think are unworthy of grace and mercy am i understanding you correctly?
You dont believe in free will am i understanding you correctly?

I know i have a hard time following words salad but is that What you are trying to state with all that you have written?..

Thanks!

So many accusations here...

If you didn't understand what you read, maybe just be humble and say you don't understand? We all have to start somewhere. I discussed three things GOD will not forgive anyone for and you quoted my post and went completely off topic from what I was discussing here. My response to you was asking about a tyrant. Then I showed people who use their free will to go against GOD is going to be destroyed.

God does not force anyone to serve him or love him but anyone who doesn't obey him is going to die, I did not make that up it's in the bible. You got TWO choices; life or death.

Choosing life is a better alternative than choosing death.

You can celebrate whatever pagan holiday you want, you can eat whatever you want, you can listen to a pastor talking or you can pay attention to what you read in the bible, you can bless or you can curse, you can be honest or you can be a liar but everything you do will be judge by God whether it is good or whether it is evil.

Here is some more salad for you

2 Corinthians 5: 10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Ecclesiastes 12: 13 - 14
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[Hannah1]

AND Jesus came to forgive and have mercy, not living by the old j-ish laws. Sure, ten comands and love thy neighbour. That is what HE said. We have sin nature. It does not go away. Check what Paul said in Chorintians. He was talking about the double natured nature in us. No matter what how much we strive and try right, we CANNOT. We CANNOT run from sin nature. That is why He came, and that is one reason He forgives us.

 

[JunoTheServant]

Christians are not required to celebrate feast of tabernacles. The only thing we are required to hold is passover. Some denominations scream about christmas tree, but plenty of christians have one, and think its about the intent.

According to the bible it is required. The original Christians kept all of God's feast even after the death of Christ. Yesterday GOD commanded us to celebrate the Feast of The LORD and tomorrow when he comes if you don't do it you won't get rain so what do you think he wants you to do today?

Luke 24; 44 - 45. 51
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Acts 1; 9
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Acts 2: 1 - 4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The original Christians celebrated Pentecost right after Jesus just taught them out of the scriptures concerning himself. If they didn't need to keep the high days Christ would have told them that. The holy ghost also showed up on the high Sabbath day.

Paul also kept the weekly Sabbath and the feast of the LORD.

Acts 20: 16
16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

 

[JunoTheServant]

AND Jesus came to forgive and have mercy, not living by the old j-ish laws. Sure, ten comands and love thy neighbour. That is what HE said. We have sin nature. It does not go away. Check what Paul said in Chorintians. He was talking about the double natured nature in us. No matter what how much we strive and try right, we CANNOT. We CANNOT run from sin nature. That is why He came, and that is one reason He forgives us.

You only get mercy if you keep the 10 commandments. Every man is going to fall short of the glory of GOD, that however is no excuse to stop trying. Observing God's commandments shows you are obedient and it shows you love GOD.

John 14: 15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
If is a conditional word. So if you don't keep his commandments then you don't love Jesus.

Exodus 20: 5 - 6
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

If God said he will show you mercy for keeping his commandments, that is exactly what will happen. If you don't believe Jesus then hey that's you. I believe what I read.

 

[Twistie]

So many accusations here...

If you didn't understand what you read, maybe just be humble and say you don't understand? We all have to start somewhere. I discussed three things GOD will not forgive anyone for and you quoted my post and went completely off topic from what I was discussing here. My response to you was asking about a tyrant. Then I showed people who use their free will to go against GOD is going to be destroyed.

God does not force anyone to serve him or love him but anyone who doesn't obey him is going to die, I did not make that up it's in the bible. You got TWO choices; life or death.

Choosing life is a better alternative than choosing death.

You can celebrate whatever pagan holiday you want, you can eat whatever you want, you can listen to a pastor talking or you can pay attention to what you read in the bible, you can bless or you can curse, you can be honest or you can be a liar but everything you do will be judge by God whether it is good or whether it is evil.

Here is some more salad for you

2 Corinthians 5: 10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Ecclesiastes 12: 13 - 14
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

You only assume n call it accusing n have not answered the questions i have asked ya even a parrot can repeat..

If ya think the day the Lord has made includes pagan days that just shows me where your heart is at like when ya called Abba a tyrant then tried to back paddle..

Do you think it is your own power that enable to do what is right??

Do you think a man can really teach spiritual lessons? Do you think one is above another?

Fyi I've explained many times when one uses word salad i am unable to understand what one is trying to get it .i already explained a few times my brain damage..

Perhaps dont get so offended when one is questioning ya..His children are told to test every Spirit n that is all you are to me at least just another Spirit i have come in contact with .

ᕙ⁠[⁠･⁠۝･⁠]⁠ᕗ

 

[Hannah1]

You only get mercy if you keep the 10 commandments. Every man is going to fall short of the glory of GOD, that however is no excuse to stop trying. Observing God's commandments shows you are obedient and it shows you love GOD.

John 14: 15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
If is a conditional word. So if you don't keep his commandments then you don't love Jesus.

Exodus 20: 5 - 6
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

If God said he will show you mercy for keeping his commandments, that is exactly what will happen. If you don't believe Jesus then hey that's you. I believe what I read.

That's exactly the thing, according to Jesus, noone is righteous, and everyone are doing sin. Paul says who will deliver us from the problem with the sin nature, and points to Jesus. While we are in this body, we will never be perfect. And that's why he came

 

[Hannah1]

You only assume n call it accusing n have not answered the questions i have asked ya even a parrot can repeat..

If ya think the day the Lord has made includes pagan days that just shows me where your heart is at like when ya called Abba a tyrant then tried to back paddle..

Do you think it is your own power that enable to do what is right??

Do you think a man can really teach spiritual lessons? Do you think one is above another?

Fyi I've explained many times when one uses word salad i am unable to understand what one is trying to get it .i already explained a few times my brain damage..

Perhaps dont get so offended when one is questioning ya..His children are told to test every Spirit n that is all you are to me at least just another Spirit i have come in contact with .

ᕙ⁠[⁠･⁠۝･⁠]⁠ᕗ

That's exactly the issue.. we can't stop sinning when in this body

 

[Hannah1]

Jesus talks about repentance, as an ongoing thing. As well as turning from sin. Because of the sin nature we can never be sin free. We can however come near to God. Jesus came to rescue us all from the sin nature. Because we are not able to.

 

[Hannah1]

The very core of the gospel and why jesus came is exactly this. He came to save us from what we can't do. And as long as we repent he is faithful and forgive us. He took the sin on himself. So we can go to heaven. Anyone denying this,is yet not a believer