Not even close to answering my question. I'm trying to be sincere not a jokester.
All you have to do is show me the Scripture where the Father/Son relationship ends.
Simple, right? If you can't show me that then I know your opinion on the matter.
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SignUp Now!Not even close to answering my question. I'm trying to be sincere not a jokester.
I believe when Heaven is fully realized we will only see Jesus, and Not as the Son of God but as the Full Glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. we may call Him Lord, God or Jesus but probably never say hi Son of God. Maybe I'm wrong. When I talk about the Sonship of God ending, not saying Christ Himself Just His role as Son. He will be forever God.All you have to do is show me the Scripture where the Father/Son relationship ends.
Simple, right? If you can't show me that then I know your opinion on the matter.
My position is that God is strictly a monotheistic, numerically ONE inseparable God. Not three separate distinct persons of God.
I believe when Heaven is fully realized we will only see Jesus, and Not as the Son of God but as the Full Glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. we may call Him Lord, God or Jesus but probably never say hi Son of God. Maybe I'm wrong. When I talk about the Sonship of God ending, not saying Christ Himself Just His role as Son. He will be forever God.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28:
"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
This passage means that the role of the Son, Jesus Christ in his mediatorial and redemptive function, will be fulfilled and completed. Once the purpose of the Son's role in redemption is accomplished, the Sonship will be subject to God, leading to God being "all in all."
John 14:8-9:
"Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"
Jesus' statement that seeing Him is seeing the Father reinforces that Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God. This suggests that the distinction made for the purpose of the incarnation is temporary and functional, not ontological.
Once the redemptive work is completed, the distinction of the Son will no longer be necessary, and God will be fully revealed in All the Glory of His Oneness.
God is a singular divine being who manifested Himself in different roles or modes, including the Son for the purpose of redemption.
If these interpretations are wrong. I want to hear from you guys your interpretation. And if someone can show me a Scripture that talks about separate persons of God let me know. I am very careful to use Scripture to back everything I say.
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The only difference now from eternity past is there is a Glorified man sitting on the throne of God Jesus Christ the Son of God!1Co 15:27 For He [the Father] has put all things in subjection under His [Christ's] feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection [under Him], it is evident that He [Himself] is excepted Who does the subjecting of all things to Him. [Psa 8:6] (AMP)
Notice: It is God the Father is who subjecting all things under His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is not the one subjecting all things to himself.
Also notice in this verse the only thing that is not put under Jesus feet is His Father
Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. THE LORD (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool. [Mat 26:64; Act 2:34; 1Co 15:25; Col 3:1; Heb 12:2]
What happens after all things are put under Jesus as his footstool?
1Co 15:28 However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].
Once every has been subjected to the authority of Jesus, Jesus gives back to His Father everything the Father has subjected to Him Jesus including His Kingdom.
The Son of God has always been in subjection to His Father. Jesus has never acted separately apart from His Fathers will.
Now what after the new Heaven and earth come into existence? The Bible does not explicitly tell us, but there are clues found in the epistles of Paul.
Eph 2:6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
Eph 2:7 He did this that He might clearly demonstrate through the ages to come the immeasurable (limitless, surpassing) riches of His free grace (His unmerited favor) in [His] kindness and goodness of heart toward us in Christ Jesus. (AMP)
God the Father will now begin to demonstrate His immeasurable surpassing riches of His grace, kindness, and goodness to us His Church through Jesus Christ His eternal Son throughout all the ages to come.
God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit will continue to rein as they have always done from eternity past, and now eternity future.
This is all lies. Jesus Christ is the only savior and the only name under Heaven were man can be saved.God the Father speaking through Isaiah way before Christ was born. We know Jesus Christ is the Saviour. There is no saviour beside God the Father. Jesus Christ is God the Father in Flesh.
First off I also said this which you didn't include. "These scriptures collectively affirm that Jesus Christ is indeed the greatest revealed name of the One God."This is all lies. Jesus Christ is the only savior and the only name under Heaven were man can be saved.
“Son of God” may refer to the human nature or it may refer to God manifested in flesh—that is, deity in the human nature. “Son of God” never means the incorporeal Spirit alone, however. We can never use “Son” correctly apart from the humanity of Jesus Christ.God the Father did NOT send himself to save the world, he sent his Son Jesus Christ.
Completely agreeNo one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ.
This is also not true Jesus Christ the Son of God created all things before he took on a physical body.We can never use “Son” correctly apart from the humanity of Jesus Christ.
This isn't believed in Christianity. Which means to you.........The Son of God is not a distinct person in the Godhead
"I Am He" means -- God the FatherThis isn't believed in Christianity. Which means to you.........
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
You know what I do not know why you are here on TJ as you are trying to peddle false doctrine. This is a Christian forum, not a place to offload powers of darkness theology. Any born-again believer can see right through your false teachings except for you. I think you know it is untrue which is what false angels of light proclaim. Always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."I Am He" means -- God the Father
When Jesus says "I am he," He is referring to the divine name "I AM" revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14. In that passage, God tells Moses, "I AM THAT I AM," indicating His eternal, self-existent nature. Jesus' use of "I am" (Greek: "ἐγώ εἰμι," ego eimi) in John 8:24, and similarly in John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was, I am"), is seen as a direct claim to this divine identity. This connection underscores Jesus' deity and His oneness with the Father.
Jesus is the full revelation of God the Father. In John 14:9, Jesus tells Philip, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father." This means that believing in Jesus is equivalent to believing in the Father because Jesus embodies the fullness of the Godhead (Colossians 2:9). Therefore, when Jesus says "I am he," He is affirming that He is the visible, tangible manifestation of the invisible God.
While some might interpret "I am he" to mean simply "Messiah, the Son of God," I assert that this title encompasses both His messianic role and His divine nature. I believe that recognizing Jesus as the Messiah is inseparable from recognizing Him as God. Therefore, belief in Jesus as the "I am" is essential for salvation, as it acknowledges His identity as both the promised Messiah and the incarnate God.
Don't be so hasty to assume someone's faith. To say I am not a christian without knowing my heart is just plain wrong.You know what I do not know why you are here on TJ as you are trying to peddle false doctrine. This is a Christian forum, not a place to offload powers of darkness theology. Any born-again believer can see right through your false teachings except for you. I think you know it is untrue which is what false angels of light proclaim. Always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.